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From the flat earth WIKI:  “The Conspiracy is the blanket term most commonly used by proponents of Zeteticism to refer to the active faking of space travel.”  Pete, it is a widely known fact that you are skeptical of this “conspiracy”.

I’m wondering, how do you reconcile that skepticism with your flat earth world view?  I’m mean, without the conspiracy as a foundation; doesn’t the flat earth hypothesis collapse?
  • If there is no space travel conspiracy, then there is no space travel cover-up, then there is no faking of space travel, then space travel is real, then humans have been to space and have seen the real shape of the earth.
  • If humans have seen the real shape of the earth as flat but continually report the shape of the earth is round, this could only mean that space agencies and space travelers must be lying.
  • If space agencies and space travelers are lying about the real shape of the earth, then the conspiracy is not about faking space travel, it instead becomes a conspiracy about faking space observations.
Either way, we still have a conspiracy, we still have a cover up.  Isn’t this conspiracy, this cover up, a foundational tenant of flat earth theory?  Please explain either way.

Perhaps you can help clarify your position on the matter by answering a few questions:
(I’m not trying to be facetious or start an argument, just honestly interested in your personal take on these subjects of which I’m not familiar on your stance).
1)   Do you believe rockets have ever been in to space?
2)   Do you believe humans have ever been in to space?
3)   Do you believe satellites orbit/circle the earth (flat or otherwise) from space?
4)   Do you believe any camera has ever captured the real shape of the earth?
5)   Do you believe humans have ever seen the real shape of the earth?
6)   Do you believe NASA fakes its photos of the round earth?
7)   Do you believe NASA is actively faking its space travel?

Flat Earth Community / Extent of the "Conspiracy"
« on: May 07, 2019, 07:14:11 PM »
It has been my assumption about the “conspiracy” that it is this huge all-powerful foe which seeks to suppress flat earth reality and sustain round earth fiction.  I have come to understand from a previous thread that this couldn’t be farther from the truth.

From the Flat Earth Wiki, it states that “There is no Flat Earth Conspiracy” but “There is a Space Travel Conspiracy”.

This doesn’t provide a whole lot of information to go on, and as such I was wondering what flat earthers believe in more detail.  I’m curious as to what extent flat earthers believe the conspiracy entails, how deep, how wide.  I’m curious to know if you are skeptical of the conspiracy theory and why.

Just using Wikipedia as a reference, “As of 2018, 72 different government space agencies are in existence; 14 of those have launch capability. Six government space agencies … have full launch capabilities."

Provided these stats are valid, do flat earthers consider all 72 space agencies in existence part of the conspiracy, is it just the 14 that have launch capability, or is it just the 6 who have full launch capabilities?  Would countries without space agencies be considered members in the conspiracy or not?  If not, why aren't these countries calling BS on the space fakers?

Flat Earth Theory / Understanding the Zetetic Method
« on: April 26, 2019, 06:40:41 PM »
I want to make sure I'm understanding and characterizing Zetetic thinking and methodology correctly.
Are these statements accurate?
  1) I cannot see the curvature of the earth, therefore the earth is flat.
  2) I cannot see the end(s) of the flat earth, therefore the earth is infinite.

If these are true, would it also follow that these statements are accurate?
  3) I cannot see across the ocean, therefore the ocean is infinite.
  4) I cannot see electromagnetic radiation at a wavelength of 1 mm known as infrared, therefore it does not exist.
  5) I cannot hear a longitudinal wave vibrating the air at 25kHz, therefore it does not exist.
  6) I cannot see my own cells, my DNA, therefore they do not exist.
  7) I cannot see atoms, protons, electrons and quarks, therefore they do not exist.

These all empirical first person observations relying on my own senses to discern the true nature of the world around me from which I had derived the simplest most straight forward conclusions.  I did not speculate or imbue biases on what the answer might be, before first testing them out. 

Please Zetetic council members, help me out here.  Do my conclusions make sense in light of Zetetic methodology?  Please explain one way or the other.  Thank you.

I have heard of many instances of persons subscribing to flat earth teachings being mocked, but I'm wondering from flat earthers if they have experienced persecution of an sort up to and including having your lives threatened in any way.  I would imagine exposing the greatest global conspiracy of all time would be extremely risky considering all the powerful nations and agencies at their command and the monies invested in keeping the round earth myth alive would cause conspirators to stop short of nothing to quash the flat earth truth. 

This web site must face an enormous onslaught of denial of service attacks from conspirators seeking to gag anyone denying the round earth narrative.  Tom Bishop and Pete Svarrior most certainly must be quite high up on many governmental hit lists.  Do you guys have body guards?  Does key flat earth leadership have to live off the grid, keep a low profile, hide out, avoid public appearances?

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