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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: An Idea for the flat earth cover-up

« on: February 28, 2021, 01:14:29 AM »

Stack, - Attached is a photo of global flight paths and the surrounding temperatures.  I highlighted the routes northern and southern planes fly in-between.

I understand that flights take 10+ hours between the southern continents the same as the northern continents.  Same distance then? But there is a difference in temperature conditions which need to be considered.

All of the flights down south fly in warmer temperatures on average then the northern flights.

 This can explain why planes take the same time to travel different distances.  Cold air makes planes really fast and warm air slow.

That's why planes go out of there way to fly way north and way south (if possible) to take advantage of colder weather as shown in the attached image.

 Some say the round flight paths are because the earth is curved and it's a more direct route, but I think it's the weather.

It's a good explanation I think.  For distance sake, I'd say keep the ocean distances the same in the Northern Hemisphere where it's been travelled a lot but consider at least a difference down south where weather plays a factor.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: An Idea for the flat earth cover-up

« on: February 27, 2021, 08:41:46 PM »

Okay, I have the answer.  Temperature.  In the southern hemisphere planes flying between Africa, Australia, South America etc... Are all flying in warm weather.  Warmer at least then in Northern flight routes of comparable distance. 

This makes the planes fly less efficiently which explains the long flight times.  Planes always prefer to travel in colder temperatures if possible like they do in the Northern Hemisphere.

See the attached two pictures of flight paths and jet streams.

The path from Australia to South America going near Antarctica is still leaving and traveling to hot locations and proximity to Antarctica would only be a small part of the trip if distances were close to half like I'm suggesting.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: An Idea for the flat earth cover-up

« on: February 26, 2021, 09:00:22 PM »

Okay, wow, you found that conversation I've been agonizing over.   Its actually closer to 3,333miles using Australia as a benchmark From Santiago Chile to Cape Town (Please as usual point out something anomolis).

Distances are a bit confusing to work out.  You have a globe which is compressed and stretched into a flat map by removing the 3D sphere which then uses the same distances, but not really.  That's why Peter rightfully pointed out that Pi doesn't work on this flat map because you are using distances from a Globe Earth. 

But when I removed a second lens (or mini dome) from the standard flat map to make this, I just used acceptable distances like Australia to calculate other distances.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: An Idea for the flat earth cover-up

« on: February 26, 2021, 07:15:46 PM »

I'm not sure how this conversation developed into a maps topic but here goes.

All topics end up as a maps topic in the end

Please see the attached photo.  I estimate the equator to be about 21,333 miles, tropic of cancer about 28k, and Capricorn at 13,333miles.

OK, so one Tropic is more than 2x the length of the other, with the Equator in the middle. And if you stand on any one of these at the right time of year, the Sun will pass directly overhead and then pass directly overhead again exactly 24 hours later. And because the length of these three circles is different, the Sun must be travelling at different speeds in order to make it back to the start at the same time. So the speed of the Sun much be constantly changing throughout the year. And we are not talking about small changes in speed. The Sun must move twice as fast at the December solstice as it does at the June solstice.

Peter, I'm sorry this wasn't clear, but I believe the Sun is centered and stationary over the south pole, but the earth tilts towards the sun at an angle to explain its position directly over the equator and tropics.  The sun doesn't change speed, but its apparent speed changes depending on how far away you are from it.  And you are aware this is a Antarctica centered projection?  The distance the sun travels in winter is shorter then in summer

The problem is that the Sun very clearly doesn't' change speeds throughout the year, not least because it would change the length of the day.

There is also the small fact that it would be pretty easy to measure each Tropic with sufficient accuracy to show that one is (or is not) twice the length of the other.

that's not totally true.  If you attempted to fly over the equator and tropics it would be A lot of water which is not an easy frame of reference

So the reason that maps keep coming up is that it is not possible to make an accurate map of the flat Earth because of simple geometric problems like this. Another obvious issue is the difference between the length of the Equator (40,000Km) and the distance from Equator to North Pole (10,000Km). Pi does not equal 40,000/20,000.

In this map, it is about 16cm around and 5cm across.  16/5 = 3.2 which is close to Pi.  Or, 21,333 miles around the equator, divided by 6,666 miles in diameter which equals 3.2

I really enjoyed your critique of a flat map, but the details in this map are what sets it apart.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: An Idea for the flat earth cover-up

« on: February 26, 2021, 04:23:47 PM »

Hi Peter,

I'm not sure how this conversation developed into a maps topic but here goes.

On a standard pole centered azimuthal equidistant projection map like you see in the Wiki, the distances are the same as they say they are.  25,000 miles around the equator etc. 

In terms of what the world looks like, there is considerable distortion when making any map that deviates from the original shape of the object.

The map above I believe crushes the bottom half of the southern hemisphere and therefore loses land mass.  The northern hemisphere gets stretched around the map which adds landmass.  And there may be variations of this distortion im not aware of.

For my own map, I used the south centered azimuthal equi. Projection.  Then halved the distance between latitudes from everything 30n down.  I kept 30 - 60n as is, and increased the space between 60n - 90n by 50%

Please see the ttached photo.  I estimate the equator to be about 21,333 miles, 30n about 28k, and 30s at 13,333miles.

You can reference Australia for the distance like I did which I have down at 3000 miles across.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: New model of the Universe.

« on: February 24, 2021, 09:59:18 AM »

Well yes, it's more of a reasoning method since I could not measure it. Alexandr is doing a good job providing more scientific measuring observations.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: New model of the Universe.

« on: February 24, 2021, 01:16:36 AM »

Don't tell anybody but I also think Mars is probably smaller then we think.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: An Idea for the flat earth cover-up

« on: February 23, 2021, 07:59:54 AM »

Thanks Jimster, I'm working on it!

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: New model of the Universe.

« on: February 23, 2021, 05:58:11 AM »

Interesting videos, my only question was about perseverences descent speed of a few hundred meters per second, that's crazy, and with a parachute?  Maybe there atmosphere is less thick or something.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: New Universe Model ("Many Worlds" Theory)

« on: February 19, 2021, 11:18:15 PM »

Lol, another Twilight Zone episode

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Flat Earth Community / Re: New Universe Model ("Many Worlds" Theory)

« on: February 19, 2021, 08:22:50 PM »

Here's another video about the crop circle phenomenon.  He also mentions the Flat Earth topic.

Crop Circle Theorist Thinks The Truth Is Out There

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Flat Earth Community / Re: New Universe Model ("Many Worlds" Theory)

« on: February 19, 2021, 07:31:49 PM »

Interesting video.  I like these guys and I believe they made crop circles (others too), but I'd need to do more research before ruling out other forms of technology used.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: New Universe Model ("Many Worlds" Theory)

« on: February 19, 2021, 03:27:46 PM »

That's interesting.  Thanks.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: New Universe Model ("Many Worlds" Theory)

« on: February 19, 2021, 05:05:26 AM »

Lol. I dunno

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Flat Earth Community / Re: A working map of the Flat Earth

« on: February 18, 2021, 08:46:07 PM »

SteelyBob,  Brisbane to Perth is the same distance on my map, about 3000 miles  If you look closely, I doubled the size of Australia, to compensate for halving it in the new projection.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: A working map of the Flat Earth

« on: February 18, 2021, 08:11:00 PM »

Okay, so if I can transpose the new Princeton projection onto the southern hemisphere (and I'll need to use Google's North Hemisphere Azi. Proj) and incorporate known distances then we'll have a better map.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: A working map of the Flat Earth

« on: February 18, 2021, 07:59:16 PM »

The Most Accurate Flat Map of Earth Yet

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-most-accurate-flat-map-of-earth-yet/

Thanks Stack, interesting idea...

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Flat Earth Community / Re: New Universe Model ("Many Worlds" Theory)

« on: February 18, 2021, 06:11:19 PM »

Stack,

I'm also looking forward to the new Mars rover and Helicopter that's landing today.  An ancient lake bed is certainly a good place to look for concrete evidence of life beyond Earth.

Considering more empirical evidence of life elsewhere, I've considered the Fermi Paradox. 

They rightly wonder why if so many exo-planets or small galaxy worlds exist, then why haven't we been contacted?

I'd say its because both models still suggest worlds that are to far away.  Space travel is very slow because of the lack of atmosphere.

I do think they have tried contacting us through FRBs - Fast Radio Bursts - which have been repeating in a predictable manner suggesting an intentionally sent signal.  Whether we have decrypted them at places like the SETI Institute - Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence - I don't know, but I once heard a clip that sounded like friendly animals, water drops, and a submarine.

Lastly, have you heard of the Arecibo Message?  It's the message we sent in 1974 to a star cluster with coding that describes DNA, basic Chemistry, an image of a human, the solar system, and a rough population estimate. 

Funny enough, somebody sent back the same coded message with a few alterations in a crop circle with the picture of an alien!  *See attachment

They also provided a slightly altered view of our solar system.

I don't think aliens sent us this message, rather people with advanced technology here on Earth.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: A working map of the Flat Earth

« on: February 18, 2021, 03:40:03 PM »

Hi Hawke and Stack,

Keep in mind if you look closely at this map, Australia, New Zealand, and South America have all gained additional land mass to correct for the shrinking of the southern hemisphere.  I did this by increasing the area between Longitude lines 30w and 60w, 120e and 150e.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: New Universe Model ("Many Worlds" Theory)

« on: February 18, 2021, 03:31:02 AM »

Well if we've established that there are other worlds similar to our own I don't know why it would be a big leap to assume it harbors life similar to our own.