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Flat Earth Community / Re: A working map of the Flat Earth

« on: March 02, 2021, 03:37:50 PM »

If chuck balances a pizza on his finger, and then has it rotate once every 24 hours, that's really slow.  It looks stationary.

Now, if he's up to it, he can also twist his wrist ever so slightly and try to move the pizza in a circular way so it wobbles (not spins). 

I'm not sure how to answer your second question.  I joined three years ago and started to contribute and build some ideas.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: A working map of the Flat Earth

« on: March 02, 2021, 12:07:34 PM »

The Earth is like a Frisbee flying through space.  It tilts, spins, and wobbles.  Think of a gyroscope and its gentle rotation.  If it rotates once a year then you seasons remain intact.

It's an interesting idea, but the question remains: Where is the working model of (this version of) the flat Earth?

Its still a relatively new Theory.  It started about 4 years ago on this Forum. 

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Flat Earth Community / Re: A working map of the Flat Earth

« on: March 02, 2021, 12:04:44 PM »

[quote author=RonJ Now if you take those same marbles and place them above a globe you can easily see why the satellites would have to be changed as often as they do.  All the antenna elevation angles also match a globe earth.  It's just that simple.
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Ron its still to far to use only 1 geosynchronous satellite if your moving on earth.  You might be able to use 3 or 4 going around the earth like your suggesting.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: A working map of the Flat Earth

« on: March 02, 2021, 11:56:52 AM »

[quote Your 24 hour rotation would rotate all parts of the earth closer and further from the sun giving everyone 4 seasons in 24 hours. Get it?
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 Stack I see your point, but it's not really true.  You can spin a Frisbee on your finger once every 24 hours and also have it slowly rotate over 1 year without it shaking - If your Chuck Norris.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: A working map of the Flat Earth

« on: March 02, 2021, 01:27:52 AM »

The Earth is like a Frisbee flying through space.  It tilts, spins, and wobbles.  Think of a gyroscope and its gentle rotation.  If it rotates once a year then you seasons remain intact.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: A working map of the Flat Earth

« on: March 01, 2021, 11:23:41 PM »

Lol, I had a few threads about this, but in short, it tilts towards the sun so it's centered above the equator.  It then wobbles slowly back and forth every year to give you change of seasons.  It also spins once every 24 hours but nobody likes that idea, lol.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: A working map of the Flat Earth

« on: March 01, 2021, 10:30:43 PM »

Stack, its not an original idea.  In the RE model the sun is perpendicular to the equator, but the earth tilts forward and back during the year.   That's what I'm saying.  Except in a flat earth, you can tilt the earth towards the sun so it hovers above the same area and then tilt it again with the changing seasons.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: A working map of the Flat Earth

« on: March 01, 2021, 09:35:37 PM »

Ron your saying that you had to switch Geo Stationary satellites because you moved to far away from some and was lost beyond the horizon?  On a Flat Map, it follows the same fundamentals as a sunset I think.  The farther you move away from it, it appears to sink and dip beyond the horizon...  Signal loss might be a function of distance and atmospheric interference.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: A working map of the Flat Earth

« on: March 01, 2021, 09:17:38 PM »

Thanks Stack..  I appreciate your input on the matter.

I arrived at this picture by plotting the location of the satellites as shown by attached picture.  The satellite goes through north America, under south Africa and Australia then returns for another loop a bit farther away.

If the satellite was way left of the map, you have a fair point about outages.  I'd have to reference my version of things and how I feel the sun is actually centered over Antarctica and the earth tilts towards the sun near the equator, so essentially, if your looking down, all sides of the earth should be underneath the circular path of satellites.  This assumes satellites gain altitude at night, but that's another topic.

Geostationary satellites would just have to rotate the same rate as earth.  About 3 is enough to cover all the landmass.

Again, im not super positive how satellites stay in orbit or what propels them.  It may be similar to planetary orbits.

The 35k altitude just shows up when you Google it.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: A working map of the Flat Earth

« on: March 01, 2021, 08:05:35 PM »

Stack, good questions.  Satellites range from 2,000km to 40,000km above earth.  70k km is the record.  They travel more quickly closer to earth (about 90 min orbits) and go up to 24 hour orbits around 35k km which is the Geo-Stationary satellites you talked about.

On a flat earth, I imagine it looks something like this.
 

Satellites seem to orbit around the sun on a FE Map.  See the official NASA photos of satellite orbits and the Altitude versus speed graph of satellites.

What propels a satellite to circle so fast in Low Earth Orbit is beyond me right now.  Any ideas? 

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Flat Earth Community / Re: A working map of the Flat Earth

« on: March 01, 2021, 06:16:53 PM »

Its my understanding that the earth spins and churns the atmosphere above it and satellites rotate in this stream.   Occasionally they will fire up there engines so as not fall back into the thick atmosphere. 

 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: An Idea for the flat earth cover-up

« on: February 28, 2021, 01:14:29 AM »

Stack, - Attached is a photo of global flight paths and the surrounding temperatures.  I highlighted the routes northern and southern planes fly in-between.

I understand that flights take 10+ hours between the southern continents the same as the northern continents.  Same distance then? But there is a difference in temperature conditions which need to be considered.

All of the flights down south fly in warmer temperatures on average then the northern flights.

 This can explain why planes take the same time to travel different distances.  Cold air makes planes really fast and warm air slow.

That's why planes go out of there way to fly way north and way south (if possible) to take advantage of colder weather as shown in the attached image.

 Some say the round flight paths are because the earth is curved and it's a more direct route, but I think it's the weather.

It's a good explanation I think.  For distance sake, I'd say keep the ocean distances the same in the Northern Hemisphere where it's been travelled a lot but consider at least a difference down south where weather plays a factor.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: An Idea for the flat earth cover-up

« on: February 27, 2021, 08:41:46 PM »

Okay, I have the answer.  Temperature.  In the southern hemisphere planes flying between Africa, Australia, South America etc... Are all flying in warm weather.  Warmer at least then in Northern flight routes of comparable distance. 

This makes the planes fly less efficiently which explains the long flight times.  Planes always prefer to travel in colder temperatures if possible like they do in the Northern Hemisphere.

See the attached two pictures of flight paths and jet streams.

The path from Australia to South America going near Antarctica is still leaving and traveling to hot locations and proximity to Antarctica would only be a small part of the trip if distances were close to half like I'm suggesting.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: An Idea for the flat earth cover-up

« on: February 26, 2021, 09:00:22 PM »

Okay, wow, you found that conversation I've been agonizing over.   Its actually closer to 3,333miles using Australia as a benchmark From Santiago Chile to Cape Town (Please as usual point out something anomolis).

Distances are a bit confusing to work out.  You have a globe which is compressed and stretched into a flat map by removing the 3D sphere which then uses the same distances, but not really.  That's why Peter rightfully pointed out that Pi doesn't work on this flat map because you are using distances from a Globe Earth. 

But when I removed a second lens (or mini dome) from the standard flat map to make this, I just used acceptable distances like Australia to calculate other distances.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: An Idea for the flat earth cover-up

« on: February 26, 2021, 07:15:46 PM »

I'm not sure how this conversation developed into a maps topic but here goes.

All topics end up as a maps topic in the end

Please see the attached photo.  I estimate the equator to be about 21,333 miles, tropic of cancer about 28k, and Capricorn at 13,333miles.

OK, so one Tropic is more than 2x the length of the other, with the Equator in the middle. And if you stand on any one of these at the right time of year, the Sun will pass directly overhead and then pass directly overhead again exactly 24 hours later. And because the length of these three circles is different, the Sun must be travelling at different speeds in order to make it back to the start at the same time. So the speed of the Sun much be constantly changing throughout the year. And we are not talking about small changes in speed. The Sun must move twice as fast at the December solstice as it does at the June solstice.

Peter, I'm sorry this wasn't clear, but I believe the Sun is centered and stationary over the south pole, but the earth tilts towards the sun at an angle to explain its position directly over the equator and tropics.  The sun doesn't change speed, but its apparent speed changes depending on how far away you are from it.  And you are aware this is a Antarctica centered projection?  The distance the sun travels in winter is shorter then in summer

The problem is that the Sun very clearly doesn't' change speeds throughout the year, not least because it would change the length of the day.

There is also the small fact that it would be pretty easy to measure each Tropic with sufficient accuracy to show that one is (or is not) twice the length of the other.

that's not totally true.  If you attempted to fly over the equator and tropics it would be A lot of water which is not an easy frame of reference

So the reason that maps keep coming up is that it is not possible to make an accurate map of the flat Earth because of simple geometric problems like this. Another obvious issue is the difference between the length of the Equator (40,000Km) and the distance from Equator to North Pole (10,000Km). Pi does not equal 40,000/20,000.

In this map, it is about 16cm around and 5cm across.  16/5 = 3.2 which is close to Pi.  Or, 21,333 miles around the equator, divided by 6,666 miles in diameter which equals 3.2

I really enjoyed your critique of a flat map, but the details in this map are what sets it apart.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: An Idea for the flat earth cover-up

« on: February 26, 2021, 04:23:47 PM »

Hi Peter,

I'm not sure how this conversation developed into a maps topic but here goes.

On a standard pole centered azimuthal equidistant projection map like you see in the Wiki, the distances are the same as they say they are.  25,000 miles around the equator etc. 

In terms of what the world looks like, there is considerable distortion when making any map that deviates from the original shape of the object.

The map above I believe crushes the bottom half of the southern hemisphere and therefore loses land mass.  The northern hemisphere gets stretched around the map which adds landmass.  And there may be variations of this distortion im not aware of.

For my own map, I used the south centered azimuthal equi. Projection.  Then halved the distance between latitudes from everything 30n down.  I kept 30 - 60n as is, and increased the space between 60n - 90n by 50%

Please see the ttached photo.  I estimate the equator to be about 21,333 miles, 30n about 28k, and 30s at 13,333miles.

You can reference Australia for the distance like I did which I have down at 3000 miles across.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: New model of the Universe.

« on: February 24, 2021, 09:59:18 AM »

Well yes, it's more of a reasoning method since I could not measure it. Alexandr is doing a good job providing more scientific measuring observations.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: New model of the Universe.

« on: February 24, 2021, 01:16:36 AM »

Don't tell anybody but I also think Mars is probably smaller then we think.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: An Idea for the flat earth cover-up

« on: February 23, 2021, 07:59:54 AM »

Thanks Jimster, I'm working on it!

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: New model of the Universe.

« on: February 23, 2021, 05:58:11 AM »

Interesting videos, my only question was about perseverences descent speed of a few hundred meters per second, that's crazy, and with a parachute?  Maybe there atmosphere is less thick or something.