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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: Today at 01:48:08 AM »To make your murder analogy work, we'd have to suppose that there's a guy named Joe who killed someone, nothing ever happened to him, and there was a large group of people who outright celebrated the fact that Joe had killed a person and admired just how tough and daring he was for doing it. Then a guy named Bob comes along and kills someone, and the same people celebrating Joe killing a person acted horrified and said, "How dare you kill a person? Murder is never, never, never justified!" and when Bob argued that Joe was celebrated for killing someone, those people stuck their fingers in their ears and shrieked, "Two wrongs don't make a right!"
I am sure that if you murder someone in cold blood, there will be someone in existence who is willing to give you a thumbs up or "celebrate" it. However, the presence of those people and their potential hyprocrisy doesn't justify your murder. You, alone, are responsible for the murder that you commit. Provided that they did not force you to do it, it doesn't matter what other people do or don't do. Other people are not you. It's called self responsibility.
The point of the analogy was obviously not to claim that two wrongs make a right, but to highlight the hypocrisy of condemning the wrongdoing of one person while condoning or actively encouraging the same wrongdoing from someone else. I regret even expanding on this dumb analogy to begin with, as it's just given you an opportunity to further repeat second-grade moral platitudes, while ignoring the main point I'm trying to get at:
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Quote from: honkWhen Trump behaves like a horrible person, you either look the other way or outright praise him for it. When someone who's opposed to Trump behaves poorly, you become a holier-than-thou pompous scold. Is being a bad person cool and acceptable or not? It's a simple question.
You are justifying the bribery of politicians with someone else's alleged crimes. Are you arguing that Trump is so corrupt that Rosie O'Donnell was forced to bribe politicians to vote against a GOP tax bill? This would be a laughable argument. No one forced Rosie O'Donnell to do what she did. She, alone, is responsible.
Nope, sorry, this isn't a relevant response to what I asked you. Once again, is being a bad person cool and acceptable or not? Do you admire Trump for being a shameless and entertaining edgelord who doesn't give a fuck about anything, which presumably reflects your values, or do you see him as a deeply moral and upstanding man who stands for integrity and Christianity, which presumably reflects your values? You have to make a choice. He can't be both of these opposite extremes, and you can't claim to genuinely support and agree with both of these opposite extremes.