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Other Discussion Boards => Philosophy, Religion & Society => Topic started by: Rushy on October 01, 2014, 12:42:00 AM
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http://www.cnbc.com/id/102037055
CDC confirms first Ebola case in the United States.
I'm not worried. Consider this: the Flu kills more people in a year in the United States, than Ebola has ever killed in the world since the 1970's.
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We're all going to die.
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http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2014/09/commentary-health-workers-need-optimal-respiratory-protection-ebola
This institution strongly believes the virus can be transmitted via aerosol, though the CDC is still claiming only direct contact with an infected individual will get you infected.
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We're all going to die.
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I'm excited. I love when everyone gets all riled up about viruses.
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Vitamin C.
Problem solved.
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If only the CDC knew about vitamin C. They keep trying to solve the crisis with modern medicine. What a bunch of idiots!
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http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2014/09/commentary-health-workers-need-optimal-respiratory-protection-ebola
This institution strongly believes the virus can be transmitted via aerosol, though the CDC is still claiming only direct contact with an infected individual will get you infected.
I vehemently disagree with those authors. Their point is that since we aren't 100% certain we might as well be safe. In my opinion, when dealing with a disease such as Ebola which has such a low possibility for harm on meaningful (for a pandemic) scale but which is so terrifying, our first priority should be avoiding panic. If the CDC announced that they were taking precautions 'just in case', the public would hear 'ebola can spread through the air now everybody riot'.
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Spreading as an aerosol is not the same thing as spreading through air. Furthermore, would you not rather the CDC take the extra precautions rather than "oops looks like it can spread in the general vicinity of the person, not just through direct contact"
When it comes to biohazards, there is no such thing as too much protection. If you get Ebola you're (most likely) dead. That's not a chance I want people to start taking.
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Captain Trips.
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Nobody in the first world with access to modern health care is going to die to ebola.
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Nobody in the first world with access to modern health care is going to die to ebola.
You're wrong. Ebola will soon cause the collapse of all Western civilization.
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(http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/ebola-cure-meme.jpg)
Yeah, kid. It's called vitamin C.
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(http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/ebola-cure-meme.jpg)
Yeah, kid. It's called vitamin C.
Brilliant take on an overused facebook meme.
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Spreading as an aerosol is not the same thing as spreading through air. Furthermore, would you not rather the CDC take the extra precautions rather than "oops looks like it can spread in the general vicinity of the person, not just through direct contact"
When it comes to biohazards, there is no such thing as too much protection. If you get Ebola you're (most likely) dead. That's not a chance I want people to start taking.
I think the CDC should recommend exactly what science tells them to recommend and no more. The people working with ebola know the risks and can choose to take further precautions if they feel the need to.
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I think the CDC should recommend exactly what science tells them to recommend and no more. The people working with ebola know the risks and can choose to take further precautions if they feel the need to.
Did you read this before you posted it?
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Nobody in the first world with access to modern health care is going to die to ebola.
Really? (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/09/us/ebola-us-thomas-eric-duncan.html?_r=0)
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Of course he's black.
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And according to this nice little graph he was initially refused treatment.
(http://i.imgur.com/wQ5U3KA.png)
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The emotional pleas being made in light of his death are pretty humorous. Someone in America has died from Ebola, lets do something guys!
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8 times more people are killed every year by lightning than have been by ebola. Yes, 24,000 people a year get touched by God and are flash fried on the spot.
So why are we spending billions on this? Sending in the army, contracting GSK to make drugs and at a budget of over $1bn. $1bn! What a ridiculously large and round number to demand - UN of course. Its purely another way to siphon off millions and millions in tax payer money from citizens all over the world.
Why not use that $1bn to buy rubber boots for people in thunder prone zones?
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8 times more people are killed every year by lightning than have been by ebola. Yes, 24,000 people a year get touched by God and are flash fried on the spot.
So why are we spending billions on this? Sending in the army, contracting GSK to make drugs and at a budget of over $1bn. $1bn! What a ridiculously large and round number to demand - UN of course. Its purely another way to siphon off millions and millions in tax payer money from citizens all over the world.
Why not use that $1bn to buy rubber boots for people in thunder prone zones?
Probably because lightning isn't contagious you fucking idiot.
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It kills 8 times as many people every year. And has been doing so relentlessly year after year.
And you know how to stop ebola spreading? You stop repatriating every stupid arse person who goes over there when they get the disease. You bloody leave them there to get treated. A Spanish nurse has caught it from someone they flew back to Spain! Now 3 more people in Spain have got it. The stupidity is stupefying.
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/08/world/europe/ebola-spain/index.html
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It kills 8 times as many people every year. And has been doing so relentlessly year after year.
And you know how to stop ebola spreading? You stop repatriating every stupid arse person who goes over there when they get the disease. You bloody leave them there to get treated. A Spanish nurse has caught it from someone they flew back to Spain! Now 3 more people in Spain have got it. The stupidity is stupefying.
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/08/world/europe/ebola-spain/index.html
Go away, then come back when you stop being wrong about everything. Jesus.
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(http://i.imgur.com/hjjR4u3.jpg)
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I'm not wrong about this. The over reaction by the media and hysterical Americans on social media is laughable. 1.3 million people died of TB last year. That's contagious. 1.5 million people die of hepatitis each year. Contagious. 400,000 children died of measles last year ... contagious.
And then we have hand-wringing American's telling us we are all going to die of ebola because 7000 people have contracted it and that we have to stump up $1bn to the UN or we will all die. Its a joke on you. If you are this stupid, you deserve to have them steal your tax money for 'causes' like this.
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I'm not wrong about this. The over reaction by the media and hysterical Americans on social media is laughable. 1.3 million people died of TB last year. That's contagious. 1.5 million people die of hepatitis each year. Contagious. 158,000 people died of measles last year ... contagious.
And then we have hand-wringing American's telling us we are all going to die of ebola because 7000 people have contracted it and that we have to stump up $1bn to the UN or we will all die. Its a joke on you. If you are this stupid, you deserve to have them steal your tax money for 'causes' like this.
I'm sure putting that money into lightening strike prevention would be a good alternative... even though "rubber boots" like you suggest would not save someone from a lightening strike by any means. You obviously have very rudimentary knowledge on the subject of lightening strike prevention.
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I made a joke to highlight the ridiculousness of asking western nations to find $1bn to help a few thousand Africans with threats of global destruction pumped from every bent news channel in our respective nations.
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No, you're obviously a flippin idiot and terrible. Don't try to downplay it.
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I understand how small 7000 is compared to the global population. I understand how large $1bn is as a sum. Anyone who comes to the conclusion that spending all this money on this is justified, is more of a flippin idiot than I am.
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I don't see what the problem is. We can always print more money.
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Ebola shmola, Thork is right about this.
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I agree with Thork. Yes its a terrible disease but far worse things infect with more subtle symptoms. And its not like we have a flea problem these days.
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Well now you're being idiots too. You do realize that just about every disease he listed receives more funding than Ebola, right? HIV alone totals at about $5 billion.
http://kff.org/global-health-policy/fact-sheet/u-s-funding-for-global-health-the-presidents-fy-2014-budget-request/
TB is the only lower disease, at $843 million. Christ people, at least look this shit up before suddenly forming an opinion based on Thork.
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I personally believe it is wise to be over prepared rather than under prepared.
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Well now you're being idiots too. You do realize that just about every disease he listed receives more funding than Ebola, right? HIV alone totals at about $5 billion.
http://kff.org/global-health-policy/fact-sheet/u-s-funding-for-global-health-the-presidents-fy-2014-budget-request/
TB is the only lower disease, at $843 million. Christ people, at least look this shit up before suddenly forming an opinion based on Thork.
5 times the money for how many more times the infected? dead?
But I see your point and do indeed feel dumb.
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When in doubt, always assume that Thork is wrong.
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When in doubt, always assume that Thork is wrong.
Saddam's Law.
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NWO scare tactics is all this is.
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Well now you're being idiots too. You do realize that just about every disease he listed receives more funding than Ebola, right? HIV alone totals at about $5 billion.
http://kff.org/global-health-policy/fact-sheet/u-s-funding-for-global-health-the-presidents-fy-2014-budget-request/
TB is the only lower disease, at $843 million. Christ people, at least look this shit up before suddenly forming an opinion based on Thork.
Get a calculator. They are budgeting $142,000 to contain each individual case. It takes $142,000 to stop one African spreading this to another? Pull the other one. I could build a fucking castle for each one of them to live in, in Africa at that rate. $142,000 per person. I could send every one of them into space with SpaceX for that money and have change! http://www.spacexc.com/en/bookings/
That's some pretty extreme quarantine.
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Do you really think that this is all for the benefit of those seven thousand people? That the money is just going to be split amongst them or something?
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It is one of the deadliest diseases on a case fatality rate. It is a terrible idea to let it run unchecked.
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Probably because lightning isn't contagious you fucking idiot.
Although I appreciate the sentiment, please tone it down. Warned.
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Get a calculator. They are budgeting $142,000 to contain each individual case. It takes $142,000 to stop one African spreading this to another? Pull the other one. I could build a fucking castle for each one of them to live in, in Africa at that rate. $142,000 per person. I could send every one of them into space with SpaceX for that money and have change! http://www.spacexc.com/en/bookings/
That's some pretty extreme quarantine.
The money isn't just to stop Ebola, it is to build healthcare infrastructure in affected nations to avoid causing this sort of situation to happen again. Why do you say things like this without actually looking up facts about things you're mad about?
Probably because lightning isn't contagious you fucking idiot.
Although I appreciate the sentiment, please tone it down. Warned.
Is there like a one personal insult per month limit or is it indefinite? Can I put forward a motion to make Thork an exception to the rules? Am I being oppressed? These are all important questions you must answer.
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Why do you say things like this without actually looking up facts about things you're mad about?
You're new here, aren't you?
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Probably because lightning isn't contagious you fucking idiot.
Although I appreciate the sentiment, please tone it down. Warned.
Is there like a one personal insult per month limit or is it indefinite? Can I put forward a motion to make Thork an exception to the rules? Am I being oppressed? These are all important questions you must answer.
this doesn't seem like how to respond to a warning. Look and its derailing the thread 2.5 posts has just been about his behavior alone on this page.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/10/ebola-joke-plane-video_n_5964068.html
Behold the work of an expert troll.
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After reading about how Ebola kills someone, I say we should probably be pretty fucking worried about it, just in case. Overkill in containing is worth it or else there's a possibility of the world getting Black Plague'd again. That's probably what this would be if it weren't for modern medicine and quarantine practices.
Also I heard the guy who died in the US, they gave him antibiotics which probably raped his immune system and didn't have any effect at all on the virus.
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Also I heard the guy who died in the US, they gave him antibiotics which probably raped his immune system and didn't have any effect at all on the virus.
Antibiotics don't affect the immune system, they affect many types of bacterium, both good and bad. Secondary infection is actually what kills a lot of people during viral infections, which is why antibiotics are given during viral outbreaks.
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Also I heard the guy who died in the US, they gave him antibiotics which probably raped his immune system and didn't have any effect at all on the virus.
Antibiotics don't affect the immune system
Yes they do.
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He only needed vitamin C and he would still be alive.
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Also I heard the guy who died in the US, they gave him antibiotics which probably raped his immune system and didn't have any effect at all on the virus.
Antibiotics don't affect the immune system, they affect many types of bacterium, both good and bad. Secondary infection is actually what kills a lot of people during viral infections, which is why antibiotics are given during viral outbreaks.
Aren't bacteria part of the immune system?
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Aren't bacteria part of the immune system?
Of course not. It's all vitamin C.
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Aren't bacteria part of the immune system?
No. There is no human body system that is comprised of non-human cells. If you mean they augment the immune system, then that could technically be true, because the good bacteria in your digestive tract provide a competitive risk to bad bacteria. Bad bacteria can't multiply as quickly if the body is already full of positive or benign bacteria taking all of the bad bacteria's resources. Antibiotics can make the immune system's job harder if you stop taking them mid-way through treatment. This is why when a doctor gives you antibiotics for 30 days, you're not supposed to stop at day 15 when you "feel better" because bacterial infections could still resurface, especially considering the antibiotic also murdered all of the good bacteria.
The immune system does most of its work in the blood stream, which is (or should be) completely sterile of bacterial life. Bacteria in the blood stream is called sepsis and is normally a sign that a person is close to death.
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My concept of the immune system is basically just white blood cells, so I'm pretty ignorant of the biology involved. I figured bacteria factored in somehow.
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My concept of the immune system is basically just white blood cells, so I'm pretty ignorant of the biology involved. I figured bacteria factored in somehow.
That is a major part of the immune system but it is actually comprised of pretty much everything your body does to defeat invading microorganisms. Even your skin can be considered a passive part of the immune system.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/10/ebola-joke-plane-video_n_5964068.html
Behold the work of an expert troll.
I for one thought this was hillarious
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The pandemic has begun!! :o
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29587803
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The pandemic has begun!! :o
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29587803
I think it began before this happened.
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http://www.necn.com/news/health/Patient-Isolated-for-Ebola-Symptoms-in-Braintree-Mass-278946321.html
Ebola case in Braintree, Massachusetts. There was a comment that noted the name of the town in Stephen King's The Stand was Braintree, TX. So yeah, we're all dead. gg.
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Can't we just stop flights coming in from West Africa or something for the time being? It seems like a really, really obvious first step to take.
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http://www.necn.com/news/health/Patient-Isolated-for-Ebola-Symptoms-in-Braintree-Mass-278946321.html
Ebola case in Braintree, Massachusetts. There was a comment that noted the name of the town in Stephen King's The Stand was Braintree, TX. So yeah, we're all dead. gg.
This city borders my city, so I might be the first of us to die.
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Here is another thing to worry about: what if a middle-budgeted bioterrorist managed to get his hands on Ebola? Imagine waiting for this outbreak to die out (literally) and then just going bat hunting in west Africa? The virus replicates in bats naturally. Obtain a bunch of ebola-infected bats and then harvest the virus over time (proper medical storage methods can keep a virus intact for decades). Release it as an aerosol into highly populous city areas (e.g. subways) during flu season. "Uh oh, you have the flu? Go home, you'll be fine." dead a week later.
Just a few bucks in home lab equipment and a patient bioterrorist could kill thousands more people than the guy who knocked down the WTC ever dreamed of. Hell, I'm probably on some list just for saying this now.
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And this will be the last time the NSA lets Rushy post.
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Even worse, it would be a completely silent terrorist attack. It takes on average 12 days for Ebola to show symptoms after you've contracted it. Imagine a compromised ventilation system infecting thousands of people, and you only find out it was a terrorist attack over a week later? Shit, you could infect half of New York City by the time anyone notices.
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And this will be the last time the NSA lets Rushy post.
We aren't that lucky. :(
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I'm starting to see lots of paranoid reports of people who think they have it but don't. Damnit, Channel 2 that is not news! I hate pandemic scares.
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The BBC today is comparing Ebola to the Spanish influenza outbreak after WW1. Ebola has killed less than 4000 people. Spanish Influenza killed over 50 million. The whole thing is absolutely ridiculous. There is definitely some kind of 'city' conspiracy to get government money into the stock exchanges via pharmaceutical share prices and the like. I smell Goldman Sachs, the UN and other rich Jews.
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On a scale of 1 to dead... how dead are we going to be in two months?
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1
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The BBC today is comparing Ebola to the Spanish influenza outbreak after WW1. Ebola has killed less than 4000 people. Spanish Influenza killed over 50 million. The whole thing is absolutely ridiculous. There is definitely some kind of 'city' conspiracy to get government money into the stock exchanges via pharmaceutical share prices and the like. I smell Goldman Sachs, the UN and other rich Jews.
This is called a "comfort conspiracy." You find the idea that "the Jews are doing this" more comforting than accepting the fact that people are panicky or the fact that this can be much worse than it currently is. Most NWO conspiracy believers like the idea that someone is in control, they just wish that person was doing something different. (e.g. "someone could easily make civilization better, they just don't want to" is more comforting to believe than "civilization is a chaotic mess and it always will be")
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I'm starting to see lots of paranoid reports of people who think they have it but don't. Damnit, Channel 2 that is not news! I hate pandemic scares.
Did you see channel 5's story about the plane medical emergency? "Ebola scare quarantines Nashville flight, person has no contact with ebola and there was no concern they had it, but ebola caused the quarantine anyway! "
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Nashville? I'm going to die.
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That's too close to me. I must quit my job and become a hermit, more so.
*puts on surgical face mask*
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The BBC today is comparing Ebola to the Spanish influenza outbreak after WW1. Ebola has killed less than 4000 people. Spanish Influenza killed over 50 million. The whole thing is absolutely ridiculous. There is definitely some kind of 'city' conspiracy to get government money into the stock exchanges via pharmaceutical share prices and the like. I smell Goldman Sachs, the UN and other rich Jews.
This is called a "comfort conspiracy." You find the idea that "the Jews are doing this" more comforting than accepting the fact that people are panicky or the fact that this can be much worse than it currently is. Most NWO conspiracy believers like the idea that someone is in control, they just wish that person was doing something different. (e.g. "someone could easily make civilization better, they just don't want to" is more comforting to believe than "civilization is a chaotic mess and it always will be")
When large amounts of tax money are required for what is really a trivial world problem (4000 deaths is absolutely nothing in the scheme of things) and media outlets are all mobilised to whoop up fear and dread, I would have to be one of the day-dreaming great un-washed not to question the motives behind it.
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When large amounts of tax money are required for what is really a trivial world problem (4000 deaths is absolutely nothing in the scheme of things) and media outlets are all mobilised to whoop up fear and dread, I would have to be one of the day-dreaming great un-washed not to question the motives behind it.
Isn't that pretty much the same attitude that a lot of people had when HIV/AIDS primarily affected gay men and intravenous drug users?
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When large amounts of tax money are required for what is really a trivial world problem (4000 deaths is absolutely nothing in the scheme of things) and media outlets are all mobilised to whoop up fear and dread, I would have to be one of the day-dreaming great un-washed not to question the motives behind it.
Isn't that pretty much the same attitude that a lot of people had when HIV/AIDS primarily affected gay men and intravenous drug users?
Again Thork, there is nothing wrong with an extreme level of prudence when dealing with one of the deadliest, contagious untreatable diseases ever.
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Thork would be a terrible world-leader.
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When large amounts of tax money are required for what is really a trivial world problem (4000 deaths is absolutely nothing in the scheme of things) and media outlets are all mobilised to whoop up fear and dread, I would have to be one of the day-dreaming great un-washed not to question the motives behind it.
Isn't that pretty much the same attitude that a lot of people had when HIV/AIDS primarily affected gay men and intravenous drug users?
Again Thork, there is nothing wrong with an extreme level of prudence when dealing with one of the deadliest, contagious untreatable diseases ever.
Quantify that
Deadliest - killed 3800 people
Contagious - infected 7000 people
Untreatable - GSK developed a vaccine in under a month that coats the virus stopping its spread and allowing the immune system to build anti-bodies in time.
Compare that to something like hepatitis, Malaria or TB.
When large amounts of tax money are required for what is really a trivial world problem (4000 deaths is absolutely nothing in the scheme of things) and media outlets are all mobilised to whoop up fear and dread, I would have to be one of the day-dreaming great un-washed not to question the motives behind it.
Isn't that pretty much the same attitude that a lot of people had when HIV/AIDS primarily affected gay men and intravenous drug users?
It still does. HIV/AIDS is primarily caught by people with 'ungodly' lifestyles. Be a good little Christian and you are extremely unlikely to get it. Prevention is better than cure. God has never liked the gays and still likes to smite them to this day. Sometimes ... if you listen really closely in a thunderstorm, you can hear the breath of God ... "I didn't create Adam and Steve! >o<"
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Sometimes ... if you listen really closely in a thunderstorm, you can hear the breath of God ... "I didn't create Adam and Steve! >o<"
I've never heard that. Source?
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Sometimes ... if you listen really closely in a thunderstorm, you can hear the breath of God ... "I didn't create Adam and Steve! >o<"
I've never heard that. Source?
Thunderstorms. God has a pretty deep voice cos he's a very big guy. He tends to boom when he talks.
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I thought thunderstorms were God taking a shitter.
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I thought thunderstorms were God taking a shitter.
No, that's how Africa was created.
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1.6 million people died of AIDS-related illnesses worldwide in 2012.
http://www.who.int/gho/hiv/en/
Flu: Worldwide, these annual epidemics are estimated to result in about 3 to 5 million cases of severe illness, and about 250 000 to 500 000 deaths.
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs211/en/
Every day in 2012, malaria killed more than 1,200 children under age 5—a total of 450,000 children a year
http://data.unicef.org/child-health/malaria
There are an estimated 200 000 cases of yellow fever, causing 30 000 deaths, worldwide each year, with 90% occurring in Africa.
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs100/en/
Ebola is just one more to the list of horrible things. It has a disadvantage in that it kills people very quickly. If the game Pandemic has taught us anything, it's that you need to keep your hosts alive as long as possible if you want a humanity-killer.
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Except Ebola isn't on a par with any of these diseases. You just quoted it. Malaria kills more children in 3 days than this disease has in this outbreak.
In fact there are no lethal diseases that are as small right now as Ebola. None even close. The worldwide attention for such a meagre death rate is astonishing. It is just scaremongering to have people think their governments are protecting them. Expect greater surveillance of citizens as a result under the guise of 'protecting from Ebola and other 'pandemic' diseases'.
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Except Ebola isn't on a par with any of these diseases. You just quoted it. Malaria kills more children in 3 days than this disease has in this outbreak.
In fact there are no lethal diseases that are as small right now as Ebola. None even close. The worldwide attention for such a meagre death rate is astonishing. It is just scaremongering to have people think their governments are protecting them. Expect greater surveillance of citizens as a result under the guise of 'protecting from Ebola and other 'pandemic' diseases'.
That... was my point.
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Except Ebola isn't on a par with any of these diseases. You just quoted it. Malaria kills more children in 3 days than this disease has in this outbreak.
In fact there are no lethal diseases that are as small right now as Ebola. None even close. The worldwide attention for such a meagre death rate is astonishing. It is just scaremongering to have people think their governments are protecting them. Expect greater surveillance of citizens as a result under the guise of 'protecting from Ebola and other 'pandemic' diseases'.
If Ebola spread to the degree that malaria did, it would kill many many more people. Hence the need for prudence.
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Except Ebola isn't on a par with any of these diseases. You just quoted it. Malaria kills more children in 3 days than this disease has in this outbreak.
In fact there are no lethal diseases that are as small right now as Ebola. None even close. The worldwide attention for such a meagre death rate is astonishing. It is just scaremongering to have people think their governments are protecting them. Expect greater surveillance of citizens as a result under the guise of 'protecting from Ebola and other 'pandemic' diseases'.
That... was my point.
Ok, its just you don't need to keep hosts alive for long to be a humanity killer. The black death killed in under 40 days. Sometimes in under 24 hours. Like ebola its tactic is to fell its victim and then infect scavengers as the juices and liquids seep from the rotting victim. same game, different tactics. I think I just lost the thread of your argument.
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Except Ebola isn't on a par with any of these diseases. You just quoted it. Malaria kills more children in 3 days than this disease has in this outbreak.
In fact there are no lethal diseases that are as small right now as Ebola. None even close. The worldwide attention for such a meagre death rate is astonishing. It is just scaremongering to have people think their governments are protecting them. Expect greater surveillance of citizens as a result under the guise of 'protecting from Ebola and other 'pandemic' diseases'.
If Ebola spread to the degree that malaria did, it would kill many many more people. Hence the need for prudence.
It won't. Contact to contact is a slow way to spread a disease. Fast spreading need to be airborne (like influenza), waterborne (like cholera)in places with poor water treatment facilities or via carriers (like Malaria).
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Ok, its just you don't need to keep hosts alive for long to be a humanity killer. The black death killed in under 40 days. Sometimes in under 24 hours. Like ebola its tactic is to fell its victim and then infect scavengers as the juices and liquids seep from the rotting victim. same game, different tactics. I think I just lost the thread of your argument.
Behold Thork, having encountered someone who, for some reason, agrees with him, he quickly manages to find some tiny disagreement to keep himself afloat in a world of hatred.
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Ebola shmola, outbreak is a hoax. Wake up.
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Ebola shmola, outbreak is a hoax. Wake up.
I would go so far as to hypothesize that the allegedly involved countries don't even exist.
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Except Ebola isn't on a par with any of these diseases. You just quoted it. Malaria kills more children in 3 days than this disease has in this outbreak.
In fact there are no lethal diseases that are as small right now as Ebola. None even close. The worldwide attention for such a meagre death rate is astonishing. It is just scaremongering to have people think their governments are protecting them. Expect greater surveillance of citizens as a result under the guise of 'protecting from Ebola and other 'pandemic' diseases'.
If Ebola spread to the degree that malaria did, it would kill many many more people. Hence the need for prudence.
It won't. Contact to contact is a slow way to spread a disease. Fast spreading need to be airborne (like influenza), waterborne (like cholera)in places with poor water treatment facilities or via carriers (like Malaria).
Are you Jude Law from Contagion?
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Ok, its just you don't need to keep hosts alive for long to be a humanity killer. The black death killed in under 40 days. Sometimes in under 24 hours. Like ebola its tactic is to fell its victim and then infect scavengers as the juices and liquids seep from the rotting victim. same game, different tactics. I think I just lost the thread of your argument.
Behold Thork, having encountered someone who, for some reason, agrees with him, he quickly manages to find some tiny disagreement to keep himself afloat in a world of hatred.
We agree that ebola isn't a pandemic type disease.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ebola_outbreaks
^History tells us that.
Compare how fast the common cold spreads compared to ebola. If the common cold was a killer, people would have ceased to exist a very long time ago. Everyone has had a cold at some point.
And that's by and large how viruses work. If they infect lots of people quickly, they tend not to be killers. If they are deadly they either break out very rarely or do not have much impact.
Ebloa breaks out regularly and is deadly. Ergo, its not going to spread. Nature is pretty good at balancing things like that. You might argue plague spreads fast and kills, but it doesn't do it every few years like ebola. Any virus that kills everything it touches isn't going to have anything else to live off. So it will cease to exist and ... they don't.
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Ebola hasn't spread very far because during every instance of outbreak, millions of dollars were thrown into containing it. It didn't just magically disappear on its own. You're suffering from "wet roads cause rain" logic.
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Ebola hasn't spread very far because during every instance of outbreak, millions of dollars were thrown into containing it. It didn't just magically disappear on its own. You're suffering from "wet roads cause rain" logic.
It didn't magically appear in 1976 either. Before 'millions of dollars' could be thrown at it, Africans didn't all die because everyone and every animal in Africa had Ebola. I don't know why American's think throwing millions of dollars at things has amazing results (See Iraq War) and that the world would cease to exist without America and its borrowed money.
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It didn't magically appear in 1976 either. Before 'millions of dollars' could be thrown at it, Africans didn't all die because everyone and every animal in Africa had Ebola. I don't know why American's think throwing millions of dollars at things has amazing results. See Iraq War.
"Nothing has ever happened, therefore nothing ever will."
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It didn't magically appear in 1976 either. Before 'millions of dollars' could be thrown at it, Africans didn't all die because everyone and every animal in Africa had Ebola. I don't know why American's think throwing millions of dollars at things has amazing results. See Iraq War.
"Nothing has ever happened, therefore nothing ever will."
Millions of years of evolution but this is the year it all ends. Honest, Fox News said so. ::)
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I'm starting to see lots of paranoid reports of people who think they have it but don't. Damnit, Channel 2 that is not news! I hate pandemic scares.
Did you see channel 5's story about the plane medical emergency? "Ebola scare quarantines Nashville flight, person has no contact with ebola and there was no concern they had it, but ebola caused the quarantine anyway! "
Yeah, it was a flight from Dallas so they were extra careful.
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It didn't magically appear in 1976 either. Before 'millions of dollars' could be thrown at it, Africans didn't all die because everyone and every animal in Africa had Ebola. I don't know why American's think throwing millions of dollars at things has amazing results. See Iraq War.
"Nothing has ever happened, therefore nothing ever will."
Hey, wait a minute
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102037055
CDC confirms first Ebola case in the United States.
I'm not worried. Consider this: the Flu kills more people in a year in the United States, than Ebola has ever killed in the world since the 1970's.
Stop changing your god-damned mind just to disagree with me. >:(
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Stop changing your god-damned mind just to disagree with me. >:(
Do you even remember your own argument? Your argument was that billions of dollars on Ebola is a waste because it doesn't do anything. I don't think Ebola will be a problem because of the money, not in spite of it.
Nothing will come of Ebola because WHO and other organizations help contain it. No one wins by sitting back and saying "we would be better off giving the midwest rubber boots."
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Except Ebola isn't on a par with any of these diseases. You just quoted it. Malaria kills more children in 3 days than this disease has in this outbreak.
How many people do you suppose have to die before finding a cure for ebola becomes cost effective?
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Except Ebola isn't on a par with any of these diseases. You just quoted it. Malaria kills more children in 3 days than this disease has in this outbreak.
How many people do you suppose have to die before finding a cure for ebola becomes cost effective?
It never will be. Its a niche tropical disease. Losing less than a thousand people a year on average is not worth $1bn. More people are killed on bicycles in Europe. Spend the money on cycle lanes. So many better ways to save lives. This is just political posturing by people with way too much power.
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Except Ebola isn't on a par with any of these diseases. You just quoted it. Malaria kills more children in 3 days than this disease has in this outbreak.
How many people do you suppose have to die before finding a cure for ebola becomes cost effective?
It never will be. Its a niche tropical disease. Losing less than a thousand people a year on average is not worth $1bn. More people are killed on bicycles in Europe. Spend the money on cycle lanes. So many better ways to save lives. This is just political posturing by people with way too much power.
The more generations we give Ebola the greater chance we give it to mutate and became airborne. It has already happened with a strain affecting only monkeys. If you are not scared by the idea of airborne Ebola, you are retarted.
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Except Ebola isn't on a par with any of these diseases. You just quoted it. Malaria kills more children in 3 days than this disease has in this outbreak.
How many people do you suppose have to die before finding a cure for ebola becomes cost effective?
It never will be. Its a niche tropical disease. Losing less than a thousand people a year on average is not worth $1bn. More people are killed on bicycles in Europe. Spend the money on cycle lanes. So many better ways to save lives. This is just political posturing by people with way too much power.
The more generations we give Ebola the greater chance we give it to mutate and became airborne. It has already happened with a strain affecting only monkeys. If you are not scared by the idea of airborne Ebola, you are retarted.
It has had all of the generations since the beginning of mankind to go airborne. It hasn't. If you think a new disease is going to spring up that wipes out mankind at the precise time you happen to be on earth you are either terrible at probability or suffering under the delusion that the earth was created for you and you get to see the end of it.
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Now if you faith cough on a plane they escort you from the plane in hazmat suits. This is ridiculous http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/10/13/united-arab-emirates-flight-quarantined-logan-after-sick-passengers-reported/X5DSbXfckXH9Q0PcGMsq4M/story.html
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Except Ebola isn't on a par with any of these diseases. You just quoted it. Malaria kills more children in 3 days than this disease has in this outbreak.
How many people do you suppose have to die before finding a cure for ebola becomes cost effective?
It never will be. Its a niche tropical disease. Losing less than a thousand people a year on average is not worth $1bn. More people are killed on bicycles in Europe. Spend the money on cycle lanes. So many better ways to save lives. This is just political posturing by people with way too much power.
The more generations we give Ebola the greater chance we give it to mutate and became airborne. It has already happened with a strain affecting only monkeys. If you are not scared by the idea of airborne Ebola, you are retarted.
It has had all of the generations since the beginning of mankind to go airborne. It hasn't. If you think a new disease is going to spring up that wipes out mankind at the precise time you happen to be on earth you are either terrible at probability or suffering under the delusion that the earth was created for you and you get to see the end of it.
Terrible just terrible. Ebola, if it has existed for eons would not have had as many hosts to reproduce in as it would in a virulent outbreak. You could probably increase the rate of reproduction by 100%s if not 1000%s of percent, by giving it an uncontrolled outbreak. This would exponentially increase the odds of it mutating in to an airborne strain. It would be worth 1B dollars once every few years to prevent this.
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It would be worth 1B dollars once every few years to prevent this.
The common cold could just as easily mutate to become deadly. Maybe we should spend billions irradiating that too?
Its not going to go airborne. It infects only a few hundred victims a year on average. Stop trying to whoop up fake causes for other people's tax money to be spend on. If you want to raise money for charity (ie optional) to irradicate ebola, knock yourself out. Forced taxation is unfair as it doesn't just effect the stupid and those with no grasp of scale, probability and common sense.
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It would be worth 1B dollars once every few years to prevent this.
The common cold could just as easily mutate to become deadly. Maybe we should spend billions irradiating that too?
Its not going to go airborne. It infects only a few hundred victims a year on average. Stop trying to whoop up fake causes for other people's tax money to be spend on. If you want to raise money for charity (ie optional) to irradicate ebola, knock yourself out. Forced taxation is unfair as it doesn't just effect the stupid and those with no grasp of scale, probability and common sense.
What about insect borne? A mosquito or flea infestation could spread it, right?
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It would be worth 1B dollars once every few years to prevent this.
The common cold could just as easily mutate to become deadly. Maybe we should spend billions irradiating that too?
Its not going to go airborne. It infects only a few hundred victims a year on average. Stop trying to whoop up fake causes for other people's tax money to be spend on. If you want to raise money for charity (ie optional) to irradicate ebola, knock yourself out. Forced taxation is unfair as it doesn't just effect the stupid and those with no grasp of scale, probability and common sense.
What about insect borne? A mosquito or flea infestation could spread it, right?
Spread it where? The Sahara desert stops malaria from reaching Europe. Besides the climatic conditions for malaria spreading mosquitos aren't conducive to a global pandemic. There is a reason you don't get malaria in Europe. Its not hot and wet enough. Same for most of the US. Ebola wouldn't reach us that way either.
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It infects only a few hundred victims a year on average.
From 1976 to 1012, there were a total of 25 ebola outbreaks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ebola_outbreaks) that infected 2397 people, or an average of 95.88 infections per outbreak. So far, this current outbreak has infected 8399 people, or more than 3.5 times more than all previous outbreaks combined. I think that it's safe to say that this isn't an average year for ebola.
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It infects only a few hundred victims a year on average.
From 1976 to 1012, there were a total of 25 ebola outbreaks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ebola_outbreaks) that infected 2397 people, or an average of 95.88 infections per outbreak. So far, this current outbreak has infected 8399 people, or more than 3.5 times more than all previous outbreaks combined. I think that it's safe to say that this isn't an average year for ebola.
No, it is probably a combination of weather conditions, political factors such as civil war, famine and degradation of civic amenities, and economic factors such as people having to resort to eating bats this year rather than buying better meat.
But if a disease has 100 or so cases a year and spikes to 8000 one year, that's just still within the law of averages. Its a busy year for ebola. But an outbreak of 8000 isn't something that seems incredibly abnormal. Its still a small number. If it infected 2 million people, that would be different, but I just can't see it doing that. Nothing has changed so dramatically to suggest this. And pandemic? What a billion people? C'mon, that's just silly.
It is a disease that remains localised.
(http://www.medindia.net/patients/patientinfo/images/ebola-virus-river-map.jpg)
8000 people is an infected village here and there. Not a global threat.
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...that's just still within the law of averages.
ITT: Thork displays his statistical prowess, or lack thereof.
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It's a global threat, in the same way that a dino-killer meteor is a threat. Just not one we need to be getting into a flap about.
Yes, we need to control it, yes, we (as a species, not 'The West') need to improve hygiene and medical facilities in Africa to prevent this happening again, but it's still less dangerous than a host of other diseases which we don't treat with the same paranoia
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http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/15/world/africa/ebola-epidemic-who-west-africa.html?referrer=
The World Health Organization reported sobering new figures Tuesday about the Ebola outbreak ravaging West Africa, saying the mortality rate had risen to 70 percent and that the number of new cases could reach 10,000 per week by December.
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It's hard to compare ebola to other diseases in the attention that it gets when it has a ridiculously high mortality rate and a pretty low timeline from symptoms showing to morality. It's a disease that can't be allowed the risk of getting out of control.
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...that's just still within the law of averages.
ITT: Thork displays his statistical prowess, or lack thereof.
No, its just a detailed explanation is beyond the level of education I can expect to find of people casually roaming the forum and having their say.
Some populations of organisms are chaotic. Forumla : population next year = population this year * rate * (1 – population)
If the growth rate is 3.57 < k < 4.0, then the population of an organism will boom and bust chaotically. But it won't boom to million times as much. there is a limit.
you can read here. Tons more on the internet.
http://www.pspwp.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/starting-points/simulations-chaos/pop-growth.html
I first came across this a few years ago when trying to write chaos limits into a computer program that calculated football odds against results. An academic exercise because I am a geek. I wanted to see how chaotic the score line could be (odds of an upset) and then calculate safe bets based on a chaotic football formula.
Anyhoo, my research took me to chaos theory and examples on animal populations. Some kind of lemming, mole thing has a population that obeys no laws. The animal's growth rate is in the region of 3.57 to 4 and it sends the graphs crazy. It had been a mystery why this animal was at reasonable numbers for so long and every 20 years of so there was an infestation of hundreds of times the little bastards causing mass devastation to crops. They couldn't link it to the weather, predators or anything else. It was simply down to maths and chaos theory.
When I wrote "within the laws of averages" I meant would sit happily in a population cycle if the growth rate was 3.57-4, but frankly it would have made no sense and I get pretty tired of looking for links to explain stuff when I know I'm mostly just being trolled by someone who knows f'all about maths and won't bother their arse to read up on anything I offer to further their knowledge and make the post worthwhile. In this case Markjo.
Soooo, 8000 infections isn't an eyebrow raiser. I don't expect to see millions even if we don't do a damn thing about it. Infections will fall because of the growth rate of this organism. Many diseases are chaotic, that's why you get outbreaks. the disease works best like that. Doesn't kill everything, but can try to reach new locations over time by boom efforts. won't ever be a pandemic though.
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When you say "average," are you referring to the "median average," the "mean average," or the "mode average"? I ask because those are all totally real mathematical terms and people totally refer to the median or the mode when they say "average." So it's an important distinction to make.
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I meant within the bounds of a biurification graph. The 'average' will be based on the background population level for that organism.
Mmmm, how to explain this.
Lets take ebola as an example. Its deadly, it kills about half its hosts. It doesn't want a stable population growth. If it does that it will infect everyone eventually. Those who survive have antebodies, many pass those to their children during pregnancy and breast feeding and those who survive have children genetically predisposed to beating it.
Eventually it will have infected everyone and have no place to go. those who had it have antebodies and kill it, those who are new are the types who survive it anyway. It wants to kill. A postulating corpse it the best way for it to spread.
It wants to boom bust. Infect a small area, but once that area is saturated it wants a boom to infect new areas where it can continue in smaller numbers until that area is no longer of use. Then boom again.
A growth rate within a biurification graph from 3.57 (its going to be higher for a virus) to 4 is going to ensure it always stays in those boundaries. Over 4 it could go below and extinct itself. But there is also an upper limit because it must stay below 4 and so can't boom hard enough to infect the world in one go. IE, no pandemic.
(http://www.pspwp.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/starting-points/simulations-chaos/graphics/graph6.jpg)
so some examples.
Spanish influenza came out of nowhere (unlike ebola). Stable population growth, infected and killed millions, but disappeared. Why, everyone got it, all those left were immune. It disappeared. Extinct.
Black death (plague). Still exists but has a higher base level of population. remains relatively stable but can almost disappear and sometime boom in a massive way. (largely quelled now by modern medicine and hygiene).
Ebola. Small background population, is booming right now. Is as big as is likely to get. A pandemic will only ever be a new disease. Not an existing one.
I don't think I can explain it better. If you are interested, follow the breadcrumbs and research chaos theory in populations of organisms.
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It wants to boom bust. Infect a small area, but once that area is saturated it wants a boom to infect new areas where it can continue in smaller numbers until that area is no longer of use. Then boom again.
Going boom in a sparsely populated rural area is one thing, but what happens when it goes boom in a densely populated urban area?
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It wants to boom bust. Infect a small area, but once that area is saturated it wants a boom to infect new areas where it can continue in smaller numbers until that area is no longer of use. Then boom again.
Going boom in a sparsely populated rural area is one thing, but what happens when it goes boom in a densely populated urban area?
Can't. the population fluctuates up and down. Often below what is needed to maintain population (a population crash) but never to zero as it stays in that biurification graph and it will have a growth rate below 4. It fluctuates around the background 'average'. It will not spread as it will have population crash. For reasons I can't tell you but reasons that are built into and dictate its growth rate. I'm not a biologist, I just understand maths.
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In fact for reasons know one can tell you. They are so numerous, subtle and incalculable, that's why you get chaos theory. :-B
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And now I'm going to the pub to win the quiz again. lol. :D
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As it stands, it's not a world killer because it's not hugely contagious. But it has potential through mutation. And the more people it infects, the bigger the chances get of it mutating.
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Did anyone see the vids of Liberians faking Ebola sickness for camera crews. And then walking away with cash in hand. I'll probably post them later so you guys can justify the fakery.
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Did anyone see the vids of Liberians faking Ebola sickness for camera crews. And then walking away with cash in hand. I'll probably post them later so you guys can justify the fakery.
Cool story bro.
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As it stands, it's not a world killer because it's not hugely contagious. But it has potential through mutation. And the more people it infects, the bigger the chances get of it mutating.
No. A dog doesn't mutate into a goat. Viruses don't make quantum leaps in evolution. They are the same as any other organism. Stop reading reddit and read a biology book.
And we were second in the quiz. :(
No money this time.
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As it stands, it's not a world killer because it's not hugely contagious. But it has potential through mutation. And the more people it infects, the bigger the chances get of it mutating.
No. A dog doesn't mutate into a goat. Viruses don't make quantum leaps in evolution. They are the same as any other organism. Stop reading reddit and read a biology book.
Viruses can, and do, mutate into more treatment resistant and deadlier versions of themselves.
And we were second in the quiz. :(
No money this time.
L-L-L-Loser. :P
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As it stands, it's not a world killer because it's not hugely contagious. But it has potential through mutation. And the more people it infects, the bigger the chances get of it mutating.
No. A dog doesn't mutate into a goat. Viruses don't make quantum leaps in evolution. They are the same as any other organism. Stop reading reddit and read a biology book.
And we were second in the quiz. :(
No money this time.
Viruses can mutate in the timespan of a few days. And they reproduce much more quickly than goats and dogs.
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Viruses don't make quantum leaps in evolution.
Actually they do, a quantum leap being the smallest change possible in a system.
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Oh lord, Thork tried to do math.
1. You can't use the law of averages on non-normal data. Viral pandemics are the very pinnacle of non-normal data sets. It's also more often than not complete garbage to apply law of averages. In statistics you want to avoid it.
2. You can't use a population growth variance with abnormal parameters. (e.g. Humans are not a natural host to Ebola. Ebola evolved with other animals and became zoonotic). You can't claim that Ebola can't "kill itself off" inside humans because even if every human on Earth is dead it would still go on in other creatures. It has no evolutionary advantage to keeping us alive, unlike, say, the common cold.
3. A virus is not an organism and population growth variance doesn't apply anyway.
4. ur retarted
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1. Wrong.
2. Wrong.
3. Wrong.
4. Wrong.
At least you are consistent.
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After doing some research on the topic of Ebola mutation in to an airborne pathogen, I am forced to agree with Thork. The likelihood of it becoming airborne are quite remote as it requires multiple mutations in sequence to do so, and it is not believed to be advantageous from an evolutionary perspective.
That being said, we should still devote our money to containing the outbreak because its so fucking deadly, and the news from the WHO is grim.
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1. Wrong.
2. Wrong.
3. Wrong.
4. Wrong.
At least you are consistent.
Would yo you care to go into more detail on at least point 1? From a statistical standpoint, he is certainly right.
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1. Wrong.
2. Wrong.
3. Wrong.
4. Wrong.
At least you are consistent.
Would yo you care to go into more detail on at least point 1? From a statistical standpoint, he is certainly right.
I already showed how virus populations work, explained background populations and how a spike is easily explained using biurification graphs. There is nothing non-mathematical about how viruses work. They are little machines that do exactly what they are programmed to do.
After doing some research on the topic of Ebola mutation in to an airborne pathogen, I am forced to agree with Thork. The likelihood of it becoming airborne are quite remote as it requires multiple mutations in sequence to do so, and it is not believed to be advantageous from an evolutionary perspective.
Ebola is a reverse RNA virus which doesn't help its odds.
That being said, we should still devote our money to containing the outbreak because its so fucking deadly, and the news from the WHO is grim.
The WHO haven't made a decent record in decades. Seriously though, they are part of the new world order structure appointed by the UN. Their sole goal is to help propagate methods of global taxation.
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I already showed how virus populations work, explained background populations and how a spike is easily explained using biurification graphs. There is nothing non-mathematical about how viruses work. They are little machines that do exactly what they are programmed to do.
Right, and you non-applicable statistical terminology in your explanation. If you didn't intend to mean it that way, that's fine. Just clarify and move on.
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I'm pretty sure I have clarified so as even Excelsior John knows what I mean. How much clearer would you like me to be?
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I'm pretty sure I have clarified so as even Excelsior John knows what I mean. How much clearer would you like me to be?
Something like this, maybe?
I don't know how statistics work. I use terminology that is literally worthless in what I am trying to explain. I need to learn more about normal data sets, standard normals, hypothesis testing, p-values, etc.
That would suffice.
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Oh, please. Explain the mathematics of virus populations for me. Be my guest. Let us all benefit from your magnificent education.
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Oh, please. Explain the mathematics of virus populations for me. Be my guest. Let us all benefit from your magnificent education.
Where did I mention anything about the mathematics of virus populations? I am talking about general statistics and your misuse of them. It was so bad that Rushy accurately pointed out the flaw.
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No, Rushy misunderstood. I did start by saying this would be a waste of my time as most people on this forum don't have degree level mathematics. Rushy, being one of them.
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No, Rushy misunderstood. I did start by saying this would be a waste of my time as most people on this forum don't have degree level mathematics. Rushy, being one of them.
I am not even sure where this conversation is going anymore. But, okay, whatever you say.
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I say Ebola is not going to be a pandemic. It's mathematically impossible and genetically impossible.
Right back on topic. :-)
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I say Ebola is not going to be a pandemic. It's mathematically impossible and genetically impossible.
Right back on topic. :-)
It's not impossible. Just unlikely.
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I say Ebola is not going to be a pandemic. It's mathematically impossible and genetically impossible.
Right back on topic. :-)
It's not impossible. Just unlikely.
Not worth punting $1bn on then? Great, you agree with me.
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Nope. Ebola is terrible and we are capable of helping them so why shouldn't we?
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Wow, it was pretty entertaining watching Thork dodge my response for a whole page. What whacky nonsense will he come up with next? Also, all four points are of the utmost correctness, which is why you bothered to argue with all zero of them. "These are so wrong I just can't tell you how wrong they are! Haha!" Gee. How believable.
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Wow, it was pretty entertaining watching Thork dodge my response for a whole page. What whacky nonsense will he come up with next? Also, all four points are of the utmost correctness, which is why you bothered to argue with all zero of them. "These are so wrong I just can't tell you how wrong they are! Haha!" Gee. How believable.
This is what it's like for the rest of us whenever we argue with you.
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This is what it's like for the rest of us whenever we argue with you.
Except the only long winded arguments I get into here are opinionated nonsense and have no factual answer.
Morrowind is generic fantasy and someday you'll just have to accept that.
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This is what it's like for the rest of us whenever we argue with you.
Except the only long winded arguments I get into here are opinionated nonsense and have no factual answer.
That is actually incorrect.
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This is what it's like for the rest of us whenever we argue with you.
Except the only long winded arguments I get into here are opinionated nonsense and have no factual answer.
Morrowind is generic fantasy and someday you'll just have to accept that.
Irrelevant.
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That is actually incorrect.
Discounting the upper fora, obviously.
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Back to the topic at hand: http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/15/health/texas-ebola-outbreak/index.html
I'm moving to Canada, the US is already dead.
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Nope. Ebola is terrible and we are capable of helping them so why shouldn't we?
Because we could help far more people with $1bn dollars.
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Nope. Ebola is terrible and we are capable of helping them so why shouldn't we?
Because we could help far more people with $1bn dollars.
But would we help them if we weren't spending that money on Ebola? I somehow doubt it. The money to fight Ebola isn't coming out of malaria grants. We're only spending it at all because we're scared, and it's probably worthwhile to actually study Ebola for a while. It's not the most contagious or dangerous disease, but it still sucks pretty bad.
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Nope. Ebola is terrible and we are capable of helping them so why shouldn't we?
Because we could help far more people with $1bn dollars.
But would we help them if we weren't spending that money on Ebola? I somehow doubt it. The money to fight Ebola isn't coming out of malaria grants. We're only spending it at all because we're scared, and it's probably worthwhile to actually study Ebola for a while. It's not the most contagious or dangerous disease, but it still sucks pretty bad.
It actually is one of the most dangerous diseases only mitigated by it not being as contagious as an airborne virus. It has one of the highest fatality rates among diseases that have no treatment. And in the top two for viruses.
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It normally kills about 100 people a year world wide! this year a few more. Get some perspective and stop being so fast to throw your money away.
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It normally kills about 100 people a year world wide! this year a few thousand more. Get some perspective and stop being so fast to throw your money away.
FTFY.
Yes, when it kills 100 people we do not invest sums of money to stop it do we? Only when it goes on a rampage, and is looking to get worse, not better.
If 10,000 new cases a week start rolling in, that is 7,000 deaths/week. This is almost double the amount of US casualties in the entirety of the Iraq war.. every week. If we can help stop it, why wouldn't we? What would you use the money for?
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A co-worker is complaining that she has to throw up and that her stomach hurts. This is the end.
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It normally kills about 100 people a year world wide! this year a few thousand more. Get some perspective and stop being so fast to throw your money away.
FTFY.
Yes, when it kills 100 people we do not invest sums of money to stop it do we? Only when it goes on a rampage, and is looking to get worse, not better.
If 10,000 new cases a week start rolling in, that is 7,000 deaths/week. This is almost double the amount of US casualties in the entirety of the Iraq war.. every week. If we can help stop it, why wouldn't we? What would you use the money for?
Its no where near the amount of casualties of the war if you take into consideration both sides. 7000 deaths a week is still nothing and we are no where near.
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It normally kills about 100 people a year world wide! this year a few more.
A death toll of 4500 and counting for this outbreak is hardly "a few more".
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If it progresses as predicted, it will be 2 orders of magnitude greater before the end of the year.
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If it progresses as predicted, it will be 2 orders of magnitude greater before the end of the year.
Predicted by whom? You think 400,000 deaths is likely? Total nonsense.
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It normally kills about 100 people a year world wide! this year a few thousand more. Get some perspective and stop being so fast to throw your money away.
FTFY.
Yes, when it kills 100 people we do not invest sums of money to stop it do we? Only when it goes on a rampage, and is looking to get worse, not better.
If 10,000 new cases a week start rolling in, that is 7,000 deaths/week. This is almost double the amount of US casualties in the entirety of the Iraq war.. every week. If we can help stop it, why wouldn't we? What would you use the money for?
Its no where near the amount of casualties of the war if you take into consideration both sides. 7000 deaths a week is still nothing and we are no where near.
We will be within a couple of months according to the WHO.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/14/who-ebola-cases_n_5982078.html
7,000 deaths a week is not insignificant. Especially when it is not targeting the weak and infirm, like flu deaths usually are.
I guess, Thork, you can put a value on life and it is less than $500K for you. How many deaths would be required to make the expenditure of $1B worthwhile to you?
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If it progresses as predicted, it will be 2 orders of magnitude greater before the end of the year.
Predicted by whom? You think 400,000 deaths is likely? Total nonsense.
400,000 would be 3 orders of magnitude.
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If it progresses as predicted, it will be 2 orders of magnitude greater before the end of the year.
Predicted by whom? You think 400,000 deaths is likely? Total nonsense.
400,000 would be 3 orders of magnitude.
No. It would be 2 orders of magnitude more than 400.
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Okay, Thork stated that there are usually 100 deaths a year. Currently there have been 4500, which is one order of magnitude increase over normal. If we start getting 10,000 new cases a week, then the total number of deaths will be in the 10s of thousands in short order, which would be 2 orders of magnitude over normal rates.
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http://www.nature.com/srep/2012/121115/srep00811/full/srep00811.html
This study from 2012 shows that Ebola was transferred between an infected pig and macaque monkeys without contact. I can't find any follow-up reports, though.
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http://www.nature.com/srep/2012/121115/srep00811/full/srep00811.html
This study from 2012 shows that Ebola was transferred between an infected pig and macaque monkeys without contact. I can't find any follow-up reports, though.
I read the same article and found that whomever discovered this was not willing to draw any conclusion about the method of infection. It was surmised that it could have been infected water droplets. Either that or we are all doomed.
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And as predicted many weeks ago, ebola is levelling off in numbers and there won't be any pandemic.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-29847058
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And as predicted many weeks ago, ebola is levelling off in numbers and there won't be any pandemic.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-29847058
http://news.yahoo.com/leone-ebola-outbreak-catastrophic-aid-group-msf-223833151.html
Thork, even BBC didn't make the statements that you, personally, are making.
Bad stats
However, the data remains extremely poor.
This is particularly pertinent in Liberia - where new cases are supposedly falling - as only 38% of the reported cases are actually laboratory confirmed, compared with 85% in Guinea.
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Are you still walking around wearing a mask and donating all your money to Africa to fight this apocalypse?
You need to stop watching CNN. They lie to you. True story.
(http://www.sacbee.com/opinion/editorial-cartoons/p4jajm/picture2664081/alternates/FREE_960/Hq3mO.So.4.jpeg)
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All Americans stuff themselves with alcohol, tobacco, and fast food regularly, so don't worry about Ebola. Seems legit.
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Even thinking about fast food makes me feel sick.
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Well, this started as an ebola thread but seeing that ebola isn't in the title I'll just warp it into a general "omg omg we're all going to die" thread.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/11/141104111408.htm
Yes, vaccine resistant polio has emerged (in 2010). They just now released the paper on the gene sequences of the virus. Evolution once again tries to sucker punch humanity.
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The banner at the top of my FB feed is now an ad asking if I want to donate to Ebola organizations in West Africa. I am now convinced that Ebola is a synthetic disease created by the US government in order to take my hard earned money.
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The banner at the top of my FB feed is now an ad asking if I want to donate to Ebola organizations in West Africa. I am now convinced that Ebola is a synthetic disease created by the US government in order to take my hard earned money.
My work here is done.
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Just an update on the 'pandemic' compared to other diseases since its outbreak.
http://static.spectator.co.uk/Pd986/?fs=1
73 times as many people have died from the shits. Why isn't Bob Geldof singing about diarrhoea instead of Ebola? It would be more appropriate considering his musical talents.
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Just an update on the 'pandemic' compared to other diseases since its outbreak.
http://static.spectator.co.uk/Pd986/?fs=1
73 times as many people have died from the shits. Why isn't Bob Geldof singing about diarrhoea instead of Ebola? It would be more appropriate considering his musical talents.
Bob Geldof is busy murdering pop stars and making it look like suicide. He doesn't have time for all that shit.
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Has the name "Captain Trips" surfaced yet, or any sightings/mention of 'the walking dude'?
Until then... meh.
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Has the name "Captain Trips" surfaced yet, or any sightings/mention of 'the walking dude'?
Until then... meh.
Captain Trips.