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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by markjo on June 14, 2025, 06:44:36 PM »

Russia in WWII was more of a "the enemy of my enemy" alliance of necessity. 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by honk on June 14, 2025, 04:06:50 PM »

The entire exchange:

REPORTER: Mr. President, for Americans going to Washington on Saturday —

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: It’s going to be a great day.

REPORTER: What would you like folks to take away from that day? What would hope that they would remember? And also, Mr. President, and —

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: How strong our military is, we have the strongest military in the world.

You know, it’s very interesting. Three weeks ago, it was the end of world — uh anniversary, end of World War II. And I called France and Macron — a good man.

I said, “What are you doing?”

He goes, “We’re celebrating World War II, our victory.”

I said “Your victory, your victory. Tell me about that.”

And then I called somebody else and I happened to speak to President Putin at the time. Now, in all fairness to him, he lost 51 million people, and he did fight.

Russia fought, sort of interesting, isn’t it? He fought with us at World War II and everybody hates him.

And Germany and Japan, they’re fine, you know. Someday somebody will explain that. But I like Germany and Japan, too.

But Putin is a little confused by that. You know, he said, we lost 51 million people, and we were your ally. And now everybody hates Russia, and they love Germany and Japan.”

I said, “Let’s explain that sometime, okay?”

But it’s a strange world.

But I will say this. Look, I want them to go away saying how great our country and how great our military is.

And I was making all these calls for some reason. I spoke to like four different places. “Sir, are you celebrating?”

And I said, you know, we won World War II and World War I, right? We won them. And yet we’re the only country that doesn’t celebrate. Everybody’s celebrating except us. And I said we should celebrate too.

I think Tom's interpretation is fair. It's easy to jumble up your pronouns a bit when you're talking a lot. Of course, during Biden's presidency, conservatives disingenuously insisted that every similar verbal slip-up from Biden was actually what Biden really believed (e.g. Biden saying he plans to build a railroad "across the Indian Ocean" must mean that Biden actually thought he could build an underwater railroad spanning the entire Indian Ocean, rather than the more reasonable interpretation that Biden simply had meant "across to the Indian Ocean"), but I won't stoop to such dishonest tactics. It's just a verbal slip-up.

The real problem with this exchange, and one that I hope won't be buried under a wave of "lol Trump thinks that Putin was alive and fighting during WWII!" is that this is yet another reminder of Trump's general ignorance and his malleability at Putin's hands. A few minutes on the relevant articles on Wikipedia would tell anybody who's willing to find out that the Soviet Union, especially under Stalin, was a brutal, oppressive regime that killed far more innocent people than Hitler. The ethics of aligning with such a country, far from being taken for granted, are hotly debated by historians to this day. This is not obscure, niche stuff. It's pretty mainstream. And this would be bad enough if it was Trump once again embarrassing the country by stumbling onto a basic historical controversy and thinking that he's the first person to pose an obvious, sophomoric question, but as Trump tells us, it was Putin who brought this up, meaning that this is once again Putin manipulating Trump. And it's so childish. There really is no better word for it than that. Only a child would think that "But if Russia was our ally in WWII, shouldn't it be our ally now?" is a good, pertinent point.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Lord Dave on June 14, 2025, 04:03:51 PM »

So... "Trump fought in WW2 and was very helpful in securing it." - is something you'd understand as USA?  Because typically we'd use the leader of the nation at that time, not currently.

Also, Trump seems to not understand that 80+ years have gone by and governments change, nor the whole cold war propaganda that he literally lived through.

Trump says to World Leader 2 "We lost half a million soldiers in WWII". World Leader 2 then says to someone else, referring to that conversation: "He lost half a million soldiers in WWII" and "He fought with us in WWII" Both of the later two sentences make perfect sense to consider Trump as the USA in this instance, considering that Trump is describing the USA as "we". Especially if during the conversation World Leader 2 clarified that "and he did fight, the US fought" to convey that "he" means the US.

They.
The correct pronoun to use when quoting a person using we, is they.  We is a plural, in this case meaning the people of America.  They, meaning the people of America in which you are not apart of, is how you'd say it.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Tom Bishop on June 14, 2025, 02:48:15 PM »

So... "Trump fought in WW2 and was very helpful in securing it." - is something you'd understand as USA?  Because typically we'd use the leader of the nation at that time, not currently.

Also, Trump seems to not understand that 80+ years have gone by and governments change, nor the whole cold war propaganda that he literally lived through.

Trump says to World Leader 2 "We lost half a million soldiers in WWII". World Leader 2 then says to someone else, referring to that conversation: "He lost half a million soldiers in WWII" and "He fought with us in WWII" Both of the later two sentences make perfect sense to consider Trump as the USA in this instance, considering that Trump is describing the USA as "we". Especially if during the conversation World Leader 2 clarified that "and he did fight, the US fought" to convey that "he" means the US.

I am certain that everyone here understands this and that you guys are continuing with this liberal tactic of "playing dumb" to make an argument.

He'll understand it whatever way his cult leader tells him to.
Imagine being an "independent thinker" and having such a slavish devotion to a narcissist's whims.
I like to think Tom is just trolling but I have a feeling he really is this much of a sheep.

Independent thinking isn't blindly posting the partisan rubbish you find on the internet. Your entire narrative is almost completely rubbish, and this exemplifies it. If you had watched the video before posting it you would have found that there was a whole lot of context in the "..." that your sources were lying to you about, but you accepted uncritically. You basically took a lie and posted it here, spreading lies to us directly.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Lord Dave on June 14, 2025, 11:36:44 AM »

So... "Trump fought in WW2 and was very helpful in securing it." - is something you'd understand as USA?

He'll understand it whatever way his cult leader tells him to.
Imagine being an "independent thinker" and having such a slavish devotion to a narcissist's whims.
I like to think Tom is just trolling but I have a feeling he really is this much of a sheep.

I'm not sure I'd call him a sheep.
Sheep run when shown danger, even from the Shepard.  MAGA are probably closer to addicts.  They know it's dumb and bad and could kill them... They just don't care.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by AATW on June 14, 2025, 08:24:42 AM »

So... "Trump fought in WW2 and was very helpful in securing it." - is something you'd understand as USA?

He'll understand it whatever way his cult leader tells him to.
Imagine being an "independent thinker" and having such a slavish devotion to a narcissist's whims.
I like to think Tom is just trolling but I have a feeling he really is this much of a sheep.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Lord Dave on June 14, 2025, 07:36:35 AM »

"I talked to Putin. He lost 51 million people (in WWII) and he did fight… He fought with us in World War II and everybody hates him.”
- Trump

Is that the Putin who was born in 1952?

Stop lying. He is talking about WWII in a geopolitical manner and is referring to countries by their leaders. He is clearly referring to Putin in terms of Russia fought with the USA in WWII, not Putin personally. This is abundantly clear in the below video at the 19 second mark when he says "and he did fight, Russia fought". It is further understood why Putin is referred to as his country when Trump explains how he is referring to a prior WWII conversation with Putin where Putin said "we lost 50 Million people", hence why Trump would say that "he" lost 50 million people, and that "he" fought with the USA in WWII.

It is fairly understandable what he is saying, and it is apparent that you are playing dumb to make your argument.

https://twitter.com/BulwarkOnline/status/1933207285733756966

So... "Trump fought in WW2 and was very helpful in securing it." - is something you'd understand as USA?  Because typically we'd use the leader of the nation at that time, not currently.

Also, Trump seems to not understand that 80+ years have gone by and governments change, nor the whole cold war propaganda that he literally lived through.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes

« Last post by Tom Bishop on June 14, 2025, 01:27:53 AM »

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Physicist Brian Cox on Universal Acceleration

« Last post by Longtitube on June 13, 2025, 09:22:40 PM »

Do you ever read and try to understand the material you cite? The "Seafloor Compliance" study is about deformation of the sea floor under pressure from water waves. You have read the terms "gravity wave", "infragravity wave" and "ultragravity wave" and thought this must be how gravity is detected, but nowhere in that study is measuring acceleration due to gravity even mentioned, nor is a measured gravitational acceleration given.

Yes, I did read it. It says that a gravimeter is reading these "gravity waves" which are measured in Hz, therefore a gravimeter is a seismic detecting device. It also shows that seismic data is interpreted as gravity data. The fundamental error here is in not understanding the principled of what is being detected.

The paper explicitly says the gravimeter is measuring seafloor acceleration:

We use a LaCoste-Romberg underwater gravimeter to measure seafloor acceleration [Lacoste, 1967; Hildebrand et al., 1990]. This sensor is used as a long-period seismometer on land [Agnew and Berger, 1978] and its useful frequency range is two decades lower than typical ocean bottom seismometers

This seafloor acceleration is compared with water wave pressure. The fundamental error here is not understanding what is being measured.

In the caption we see reference to detecting gravity waves. The "correlative mean" on 30 September is given as 980270189.75 uGal, but we see in the chart that the actual values presented are very low. The values go above and below 0 over time, just like a seismometer  .... we read that absolute gravimeters detect gravity waves and also produce data which looks like a seismic chart.

At last, an explanation. Finally, some reasons behind the erroneous claims of what gravimeters do. Unfortunately, they are based on glaring misunderstandings.

Micro-g Lacoste supply "g9" software with the A10 and FG5-X absolute gravimeters already mentioned, both of which are free-fall instruments dropping a reference object in a vacuum. The software reads data from the gravimeter and also controls its operation.

https://microglacoste.com/download/g9-users-manual/

How g[9] Processes Gravity Data
This manual assumes the user is familiar with the operation of a Micro-g LaCoste freefall gravimeter. An object is dropped in a vacuum and a laser interferometer is used to accurately track the freefall. The precise timing of optical fringes (which provide distance information) allows the acceleration of gravity, g, to be determined.

The gravimeter times the drop of an object, measures how far it drops and the software calculates the acceleration of gravity from that information – this is repeated many times and the results aggregated. The gravimeter is programmed by the user to perform a prescribed number of drops and these constitute a set of data. The user also programs how many of these sets are performed and these constitute a project. So the user can look at the acceleration for a particular drop, the average acceleration for a set of drops and the average acceleration for all the sets. All the data is preserved. The user can also set the time beween drops and how long to wait between finishing one set and starting another.



This is an example from the g9 software. The project was to make 12 sets of 100 drops, 1200 in all. The most recent drop, drop #100 in the current set, gave a corrected figure of 979647287.69 μgal (microgal). The current set is set #2 and the average corrected figure for the set is 979647288.94 μgal. The project corrected average is 979647289.79 μgal across all the drops measured so far, only 2.1 μgal different from the individual drop shown. That’s 2.1 hundred millionths of a m/s².


https://microglacoste.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Brochure-A10.pdf

This is data recorded in a single set of 120 drops. Each green dot represents a single measurement of gravitational acceleration. The chart also gives the measurement of the latest drop, 979631880.39 μgal which is #120 in the set.



This is data from 16 sets of measurements. Each dot represents the average of the measurements and the vertical line at each dot represents the error bar for the set. (this should look familiar)

Anyone can see the data from the gravimeter is discrete values, not a continuous reading like that from a seismograph:


https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Codrin-Donciu/publication/366458878/figure/fig2/AS:11431281118234473@1675697733420/Typical-seismogram-21.jpg


However, the much more important misunderstanding is in reading the data charts, which are actually scatter charts.

...we see in the chart that the actual values presented are very low. The values go above and below 0 over time, just like a seismometer.

No, they don't, that type of scatter chart shows the small variations above and below the "correlative mean". A point at -5μgal on the chart is a value of the correlative mean minus 5μgal, a point at +2.2μgal represents the cumulative mean plus 2.2μgal. This type of scatter chart is commonly used in gravimeter-related literature, but if you're not familiar with it, this is an easy mistake to make. Nevertheless, if the measurement were really of very small acceleration values, where then would the "correlative mean" figure come from? You have no idea.

No frequency data is recorded by the gravimeter. No data of seismic vibrations is to be seen in the data. It's obvious that a free-fall gravimeter is not a seismometer, period.

Finally, here's a scatter chart of drop set measurements from a prototype freefall drop gravimeter which unusually uses a conventional scale to show acceleration results. Note the individual points and their error bars:


https://repository.geologyscience.ru/bitstream/handle/123456789/33805/Fall_03.pdf?sequence=1

I hope you now see and understand where the ideas of a "seismic interpretation of gravity" and "vibrating gravity theory" have gone badly wrong. I don't know whether they are your ideas or someone else's, but like UA you would do well to forget them.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Tom Bishop on June 13, 2025, 06:05:00 PM »

"I talked to Putin. He lost 51 million people (in WWII) and he did fight… He fought with us in World War II and everybody hates him.”
- Trump

Is that the Putin who was born in 1952?

Stop lying. He is talking about WWII in a geopolitical manner and is referring to countries by their leaders. He is clearly referring to Putin in terms of Russia fought with the USA in WWII, not Putin personally. This is abundantly clear in the below video at the 19 second mark when he says "and he did fight, Russia fought". It is further understood why Putin is referred to as his country when Trump explains how he is referring to a prior WWII conversation with Putin where Putin said "we lost 50 Million people", hence why Trump would say that "he" lost 50 million people, and that "he" fought with the USA in WWII.

It is fairly understandable what he is saying, and it is apparent that you are playing dumb to make your argument.

https://twitter.com/BulwarkOnline/status/1933207285733756966