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Arts & Entertainment / Re: World Cup 2018
« on: June 28, 2018, 07:29:01 AM »

Likewise Germany, Huh huh.

Not Portugal, can't stand Ronnie. If Belgium gel, I think they stand a good chance, surprised you don't support them with Man' City's De Bruyne & Kompany in there? There again Brazil (not on your list) have four City players and of course England also. Hoping for a good game tonight (our time), Three lions on our shirt da de da de da da.

Arts & Entertainment / Re: World Cup 2018
« on: June 25, 2018, 01:56:21 PM »
Let’s not get too excited, it was Panama (pop 4M), not known as a footballing nation, but it’s better than the Euro’s where we were hammered by Iceland (pop 340,000), so I will take the fact that it is the only England game in decades I haven’t felt (at half time), we can still fuck this up.

I have to say I hate Latin American football, there was a corner in the Brazil-Costa-Rica match where the ball sailed over the penalty area and left in its wake a sea of writhing bodies, I thought the corner taker had fired a cannon loaded with grapeshot, but instead it was Brazilians who had felt the breeze of the ball and had gone down for a penalty and CR players who had gone down for a freekick, and Naymar, don’t even get me on that stroppy little shit.

The Russians should get some NKVD style Commissars with shiny black coats who can walk on the pitch and execute any player rolling around with less than a bone showing.

Edit; And we still Played Stirling!!!

Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing
« on: June 25, 2018, 09:52:41 AM »

Truly a terrible song.

Here is the antidote,


The weird looking man on guitar is Wilko Johnson, who went on to play Sir Ilyn Payne, the tongue less executioner in GOT. 

Arts & Entertainment / Re: World Cup 2018
« on: June 18, 2018, 08:44:49 PM »

Well it wasn't pretty but England won, despite a plague of flies and a ref' that awarded a penalty for a guy running into another players arm, but then allowed the Tunisian defence to practice their judo with impunity at corners and free kicks.
Stirling should never be let near an England shirt again and Ashley Young forgot what he does day in, day out for Man'U, could do better.

Arts & Entertainment / Re: World Cup 2018
« on: June 17, 2018, 08:13:20 PM »

Mexico do upset the Germans, hey.

And then Brazil start good then falter against the Swiss, on top of that Pizza gets an IT crowd quote in, it's all going on here.

Arts & Entertainment / Re: World Cup 2018
« on: June 16, 2018, 09:57:08 PM »
Watched Nigeria v Croatia tonight, started out supporting the Nigerians as they have 3 Leicester players, but they were woeful and am glad the Croats won.

But it won't be untill Monday that England play, my prediction is; The Algerian bus will drive into a ravine and all the players will be too injured to carry on, they will field a team of ice-cream and hat sellers who will win 1-0

Edit; We are actually playing Tunisia

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Atheism.
« on: June 06, 2018, 01:56:08 PM »

Yet if you read “Guns & God” Luke above….I can only work with what I’m given.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Atheism.
« on: June 06, 2018, 09:10:15 AM »
I'm failing to see how it was unfair.

So, you make a couple with a propensity to steal fruit (you know that cos’ you’re god and you made them, right), Then you say everything but the apples (why?), and just in case they might have fought the inclination you programmed in, you allow/send a snake to make sure, then you (god) throw a hissy when surprise-surprise a Granny-Smith goes missing, unfair- rigged.

So, since Satan doesn't work overtly, God doesn't either.
Lame, more tricks, either he wants to save us, or he doesn’t, why is he letting the “bringer of light” set the rules?

Essentially the deal seems to be;

“Jura, you will jump through hoops I have set up, you will do so with a personality I have given you that rails against tyrants, I will hide and set up conflicting religions and multiple alternative expressions of the rule-book, that is itself vague and contradictory and allow a being of immense intellect and resources free reign to confuse and mislead. If by some chance you decide to put aside the obvious fact I am a megalomaniacal narcissist, I will consent to let you sing my praises for the rest of time, if not endless torture or oblivion with no chance of parole, signed your Psychopathic Magnificence.
Ps, I already know what you are going to do, I’m god, you are a rat in a maze.”

Nope, I’ll have the cribbage.   

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Atheism.
« on: June 05, 2018, 03:46:47 PM »
It's all nice and fuzzy to think that "well, you believe that and that's OK for you but I believe this..."
But if what you believe and I believe contradict one another then we cannot both be right. Truth isn't relative..

But that is the big problem, you see god is a tricksy little bugger by all accounts, look what he did to Adam & Eve, unfair. But then in the old test’ he was all in your face helping out with the genocides and such and now he’s all silent again and you have to get mystic Max to find him.

That’s if you’re on the right track and he’s not some Polynesian deity made from coconuts sitting there chortling, “you are so fucked when the great tsunami happens”.

I’m done with it, unless he rocks up and says “this is the deal Jura” he/she/it can take a hike, I’m betting on a celestial underworld of souls that don’t want to sing for eternity but would rather play cribbage, I’ll find them. 

I guess I’m with Gary, Max, Ed' and the others, I don’t say that that last argument wasn’t won by you because I need the RE to be true, it’s just that your assertion that “a theory held as true for thousands of years seems to wobble with the weakest of scrutiny”, using the Ancient Greek gambit, seems so weak, and I have tried to steer away from Incredulity arguments for the same reason.

I do like arguing and I admit I had to relearn a lot of stuff doing it here, but because I felt it was right to defend against this wave of anti-knowledge that floods the real stuff, I’m not sure I can do it with the same zeal if someone were to label me along with Dooby Doo or Sergeant.   


Will you be deleting this thread if you get enough yeses? Otherwise it kind of gives the game away?

I wouldn’t mind butting in now and then when a RE’er was either wrong or being a dick and playing a flatty, but I don’t think I could do it for long, unless I could continually state, “because Sam says so” or ask over and over for proof we aren’t in a RE matrix, when does it become trolling if you are asking us to basically troll?
If I set up an Alt’ that was Inti-like or pasted reams of gobbledegook a la Sandy, would you ask me to represent more the position of this site? If so I have a few questions.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Atheism.
« on: May 25, 2018, 09:19:22 AM »

 But that's just hazarding a guess.

Great. A guess.

And I said they were mistaken.

 If you go by the Bible, then it is painfully obvious that there is such a contract. The question is how much cherry-picking are you comfortable with?

Maybe God told me there was no such thing. ;)

And that’s the nub of it for me, seriously, when I was in my early teens I figured that if there was a god it was a bigger deal than just going to church every now and then, so I looked.

I read a great deal, talked to Christians and apart from the lack of any consensus on important (to me) things like hell, forgiveness, Hell, is the bible advice or instruction, HELL! I just found/felt nothing.

So then having been a bit put out at the injustice that our (Christian) hell was actually open to all the other religions but the heaven bit wasn’t, I looked at Eastern religions, loved the Buddhism but still nothing, long story short I then read Dawkins and Nietzsche and found my home. 

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Atheism.
« on: May 24, 2018, 09:29:33 PM »

See, there it is Max, another version, someone else with the way, visions and meditation, to find “a god who has no urgent desire for us to believe in him”, and the others are “mistaken in their theology”
He doesn't want it, I don't want it, let's call the whole thing off.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Atheism.
« on: May 24, 2018, 03:53:10 PM »

I look amongst the flowers and stones, amongst the crawling things and the birds, I listen on the winds and the laughter of children, I watch the clouds and the stars for signs, but see none.

As for the contract, well that depends on who I am debating with, but for the standard (Christian) it goes something like.
God sends his son to die for my sins (note, committed before I was conceived), when I die what is left of me goes one of two places dependant on my life’s choices, being just good doesn’t cut it, I must worship my maker and put him above all others and in some cases atone for the aforementioned sins. Bad choices mean I go to hell and have an eternity being tortured, no time off for good behaviour.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Atheism.
« on: May 24, 2018, 02:57:06 PM »
This atheist is a person who hasn't experienced the numinous, and therefore looks for further proof, sees none, but perceives much that indicates that deity/deities do not exist, further more if they did, would have huge misgivings about the enforced contract he is supposed to live by, not least as throughout his life hasn’t met a single acolyte who wholly agreed with any of the others, as such he lives quite happily without them/it.   


You sound like a person who (and I don’t mean to sound offensive) hasn’t taken an interest in what science is up to since you left school, perhaps saw a few articles in a popular paper, but then stumbled across Eric Dubious and his Ilk.
Science is nothing like faith. That you sit there on a computer able to talk around the world didn’t come from prayer, and it won’t be the likes of Duboy that have fashioned a vaccine against Ebola that is being currently employed in the DR Congo. I suggest instead of following snake charmers you look towards perhaps less charismatic but more truthful sources of information and for gods sake cultivate a little discernment.   

Okay, let’s just have a look at this from your original premiss “Ok so ... this seems plausible to me that ... there is an agenda to make people feel insignificant and to carry on about their about their busy lives not questioning anything and being good wage slaves.

Before, back in the day when the Earth was flat for everybody, did they feel different, more special? And if they did, (due to presumably, a deity) How did this make them more open to questioning their surroundings?

With religious teaching there is the attendant concepts of Apostasy and heresy, whereby if you reject your teaching or interpret them differently from the norm you are subject to “interrogation”. Often in the past (and in some religions now), one or both would lead to excommunication for the questioner or death.
Now scientists can get pretty pissy if their pet project is superseded, but the only time I can remember that they died for their investigations per-se was at the hands of religion, so where does your impression that science is anti-questioning come from, as the converse is true.

The Royal Society's (one of the earliest dedicated science institution) motto 'Nullius in verba' is taken to mean 'take nobody's word for it'. The very essence of enquiry.

As for feeling insignificant, well I can’t help you much there, if you need a tyrannical father figure making constant demands to have any sense of self-worth then you are made in a different way to me, the universe is vast and to all intents and purpose, timeless, but without me it would seem empty.


This "new evidence that has been in front of our eyes the whole time", care to expand on that, maybe we can help.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Political compass
« on: May 19, 2018, 08:38:14 PM »
Basically I love a different kind of freedom!
Taxation is theft, and theft is not freedom.

Taxation is infrastructure, infrastructure is necessary, taxation is necessary.

Arts & Entertainment / Re: Just Watched
« on: May 18, 2018, 02:26:15 PM »

If you would like a gentle bittersweet endearing interlude in your life, watch Detectorists.
The premiss sounds awful or tedious but it will become a classic, I loved it.

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