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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: October 14, 2017, 07:30:51 PM »

I just wondered now the millionaire Harvey Weinstein has been outed as a misogynistic creepy pervert, does that make him (as he backed Hilary) the front runner for the democrat presidential candidate.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: No Religion= Peace
« on: October 13, 2017, 03:53:50 PM »

Has anybody checked that Boo isn’t a bot?

He/it can’t read or respond to more than 1 line of text, his retorts when they come are trite clichés and they all have links to “dead religions are us” southern style!

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Another mass shooting...
« on: October 13, 2017, 08:51:15 AM »

Not changing the fundamental rights of a population (to kill each other) based on the needs of gun manufacturers profit margins and good old boy sentiments, despite the mounting tragedies, typically are the best kind of (non)changes.

Fixed that!

Gun manufacturers profit margins wouldn't be terribly affected by a consumer gun ban, since their biggest customer has been is will always be governments around the world. Many European countries might have distaste for our gun policy, but that distaste disappears when they order our weapons en masse for their own purposes.

You underestimate your addiction!

Number of firearms manufactured in the US in 2013 (for instance), 10,847,792. Number of those guns that stayed in the domestic market (US), 10,413,880, only about 4% exported. Of all the small arms the UK armed forces have, most are made either in the UK, Europe or in Canada the only US ones are sniper rifles.
The NSSF reports that the domestic firearms industry (US) is worth $42.9 billion, however the cost of fatal and non-fatal gun violence to the U.S, is estimated at $229 billion due to your retarded health system.

That is why serious gun control will never happen, not only will it cost the gun makers but all the attendants to its effects would suffer too. Quite a little industry, sell killing and maiming machines to the masses and call it freedom, and then build another billion-dollar industry to benefit from the carnage.

Edit; 2013 US exported small arms = $1.1 billion, Imports $2.5 billion, what Rushy not checking his figures again, surely not.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: No Religion= Peace
« on: October 13, 2017, 07:29:07 AM »

So that's it then? You ask a morally loaded question, someone (Rama) tries to give you a nuanced thoughtful answer and all you have got, is a link?

Do you actually have a position of your own on anything, or do you just log onto dadsbollocks and go "yeah that"?

I suppose life is easier if you just relinquish all decision making over to a higher authority, one of the siren songs of religion, don't worry about thinking, we've got it covered. 

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: No Religion= Peace
« on: October 12, 2017, 09:20:44 PM »
Now you're getting it.

However I won't be smashing children on the rocks as that I find objectionable.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: No Religion= Peace
« on: October 12, 2017, 08:08:06 PM »

Personally I don't think it should be a method of birth control but there are situations (rape) where there should be the option.

Now please don't get sanctimonious from the “good” book on me as there are many samples of god and his minions being more than happy to slaughter children (see above) and;

Happy those who seize your children and smash them against a rock. (Psalms 137:9 NAB)

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Another mass shooting...
« on: October 12, 2017, 11:14:36 AM »

Not changing the fundamental rights of a population (to kill each other) based on the needs of gun manufacturers profit margins and good old boy sentiments, despite the mounting tragedies, typically are the best kind of (non)changes.

Fixed that!

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: No Religion= Peace
« on: October 12, 2017, 07:36:34 AM »
PS: the scripture you quote is not Christian instruction .... a little out of dispensation and context

Well forgive me, as I don’t much care but when I read “you must” and “as the Lord your God has commanded you”, I hear instructions, but you carry on cherry picking what suits your agenda and I will continue believing it’s all outdated bronze age nonsense that in parts incites genocide, rape and incest amongst other things, and as you want to get into a baby killing debate, how about;

“Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword.  Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes.  Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes.  For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off.  The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows.  They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)”

God is love?

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: No Religion= Peace
« on: October 11, 2017, 08:08:41 PM »
while we are quoting;

Deuteronomy 7:1-2    When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations . . . then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.
20:10-17    When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. . . . This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
     However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you.


Except for the flying bit!

Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Is THIS the sun/moon/stars/planets?
« on: October 09, 2017, 11:43:57 AM »
Hmm, take Doug up on his offer, it’s time you got out more. He’s right about the bird flight too, I’m hoping you live in the city, otherwise your disbelief of the most rudimentary of bird behaviour is inexplicable.

It is a hunting bird’s adaptation, by facing into the wind and adjusting the wings and tail, the bird remains stationary to the ground, with very little expenditure of energy. The European Kestrel (named in the vid’), is a master (it’s called the windhover in parts of Britain), they only need the slightest of breezes to hang almost motionless as they look for prey (small mammals and large insects), sea birds and especially Terns have the same high aspect ratio wing design that allows slow flight so they can scan for food. Apart from taking little energy it allows the bird to not only keep an eye on an area that is liable to contain prey, but its relative motionlessness renders it less visible, as it is movement that alerts prey.

Terns & Kestrels are not alone, I have watched Raven’s on the North Devon coast hanging on the breeze pushed up by cliffs, and in the right conditions, crows seem to enjoy riding a storm wind and competing to stay the stillest on the gusts. 

Flat Earth General / Re: Sun and other planets flat
« on: October 05, 2017, 08:46:55 PM »
We did this some time ago here

I also did a simple perspective drawing of how parallel lines can look like that from 4 different views

The pink bits were going to be clouds but I never got round to finishing it (it's at work) but you can seehow it works. The yellow cylinder in the top right view is just visible in the bottom left.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Phoenix Journals
« on: October 05, 2017, 07:27:39 AM »


Arts & Entertainment / Re: Just Watched
« on: September 26, 2017, 03:28:41 PM »

The Motherfucker nailed it! I have him on my bedroom wall.

Flat Earth General / Re: If the Earth is Flat what is below it?
« on: September 26, 2017, 03:22:45 PM »
did you see the article where the guy was flying from New York to London.   :)
In the middle of the flight he saw snow.  The lady said - oh, that's because we are flying over Greenland.   :o
On a flat map,  you go straight over greenland to get to London.  But when you draw that route on a globe you go off 100's of miles.  >o<

Great circle or no great circle, the plane was supposedly flying hundreds of miles off route.   And you know what made me a believer in flat earth is -  Follow the Money.  :-B   The airlines are not going to waste all that fuel for nothing.   They fly the straightest path possible.
The mother of all Great Circles  is Linus's   Great Pumpkin.     Some people may as well believe in It also.  ha ha   ;D

It must be said, that your powers of scrutiny re the veracity of what you read and post is not impressive, having said that at the moment there are currently 2 hurricanes (Maria & Lee 26th sept 2017) heading North and North-east across the Atlantic, come the weekend they will be level with Newfoundland, as such any airliner will be doing its best to avoid the remnants of these weather systems (probably post tropical storms by then) and will almost definitely going out of their way to do this, where do you think such aircraft may go?

Flat Earth General / Re: If the Earth is Flat what is below it?
« on: September 26, 2017, 12:00:05 PM »

To Terry, Definition;

To redefine stupidity, one sentence at a time.

Flat Earth General / Re: If the Earth is Flat what is below it?
« on: September 22, 2017, 02:30:53 PM »

Terry, pay attention.
If a man comes up and offers you 3 magic beans for your cow, it's a good idea to say no, okay?
Not because they aren't magic, it's just, you won't cope.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Soliloquies
« on: September 22, 2017, 11:17:16 AM »
We are a dying breed DA (edit Doh).

I just made everyone in my office, a cup of tea. That’s not a brag just a statement of fact, tea is the leveller here, everyone must take their turn, and they are judged by their results. Expediency does mean we use tea bags, but they are Twinnings breakfast teabags. A teapot isn’t practical here because of the perennial split between teapot cleaners, those weird fuckers that maintain the inside of the pot should be kept clean and proper tea drinkers for whom the build-up of tannin is to be celebrated, and acknowledged with a satisfied nod when a flake of concentrated poison ends up floating in your brew.

I have seen people posting on-line the correct way to make this drink, and those people should be birch whipped.
There is no correct way to make tea, only personal preference, to be stated to the person designated as tea maker for that round and respected as such.

This round; 1 strong with a dash of milk, no sugar, 1 medium, milky, one sugar, 1 medium, milky (to the colour of He-man’s tan), two sugars, 1 milky, weak with honey (faddist) and mine, strong black no sugar. I didn’t have to ask and I nailed it.

People who forget to stipulate their preference, get a tea the maker thinks they would like from the cut of their jib. It is a matter of pride for the maker to correctly determine this, but it is on the drinker’s head for being remiss or too timid, sugar in this case is given as an option and never guessed.

If you ever come to England and decide to get a cup of tea at a tea-shop, and they bring you an actual cup of tea, knock it from their hand and demand a duel, it’s the law and you get to choose both weapons, it is considered bad form to kill them however, as the idea being is to teach them a damn lesson.
Tea in this instance should be a small pot with milk and sugar as options, ideally you should have another pot of boiled water as well for a top up. If you go into a chain coffee shop and ask for a tea, you are a fuckwit and deserve what you get.

That’s tea. 

*(edit) This is reversed in a cafe (no acute accent, pronounced "caff", full of people in hi-vis), here you will likely get a mug of tea, which will invariably be strong "Yorkshire" tea, any attempt at knocking cups out of their hand here, will end with you being buried under the footings of a motorway bridge.

Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Flat Earth and God
« on: September 20, 2017, 09:20:11 PM »

Perhaps the best religious fit there is to the flat earth, is in the Norse mythology. Where the bit where we live corresponds to midgard, and the ice-wall and beyond represents Jotunheim, the dwelling-places of the giants, “described as deep, dark forests, mountain peaks where winter never eases its grip, “
Rather than being good Christians, these people are probably pagans.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Soliloquies
« on: September 20, 2017, 08:34:23 PM »
Religion is a big thing here at the moment, from the gentle hippyish apocalyptical meanderings of Dither to the "End of days" ravings of Dr Boolittle. We have signs, and signs of signs, of things coming to a head, vis-à-vis our creator un-creating everything, weighing our souls against a feather (or some other such nonsense), and casting all into eternal damnation. All that is, apart from the Boo's, who get to live in perpetual smugness with each other (just one of the many reasons I'm not rushing to repent).

This Christianity isn't the one I know from the leafy lanes and quiet shires of childhood.

As a kid Christianity was (it seemed to me), just there to explain the existence of all the churches, to give the weird guy in the long black clothes a job to do and to provide simple stop-gap answers to difficult questions until you grew up and did science (or became another weird guy). It was the singing of "all things bright and beautiful", harvest festivals and the peal of bells on a Sunday.

However, the doom-laden ending does bear a resemblance to what we were interested in, the Norse/Germanic/Celtic religions, the ones that gave us most of our day names and (we were told) the roots of Christmas (Yule), Easter (Eostre) and Halloween (Samhain). Cool gods with hammers and spears, ravens, drinking, giants, dwarves, serpents that wrapped the world, wolves that ate the sun and moon and Ragnarök.

Ragnarök, is the "end of days" turbo-charged via George Martin and Sam Peckinpah. All the gods so terribly rendered by Hollywood are killed, Thor poisoned by the Midgard serpent (seriously big snake), staggers 9 steps after killing it and succumbs, Odin swallowed whole by the Fenrir Wolf, but avenged by his son, Vidar. Loki, (incidentally the father of the serpent, the wolf and Odin's horse) is killed by, and kills Heimdall. Hel (the place) is opened by Hel (the goddess of death, another child of Loki) and generally, shit goes south. The Norse gods were massively fatalistic, they of all the pantheons were aware of their fate (although if Satan hasn't gotten hold of a copy of revelations by now and learned his fate, I would be surprised), but they did very little to cheat it, they had Fenrir tied up with the loss of Tyr's hand as payment, but didn't butcher it?  At the end, everything is consumed bar a few children of the gods and two humans who get on with re-populating. Much more fun.

Modern Christianity it seems, having absorbed the Holy days may have stolen the ending too, although the Edda's weren't written down until the 13th century, there are carving stones and such from at least as far back as the 1st depicting the legends, and the Saga's they came from, were old when they passed into Britain. Stolen not in the sense that it wasn't already there in revelations but in the pessimistic world view that seems to infuse latter day Christians.

As for the signs? Well, look up Skinner's box and superstition, look up apophenia or confirmation bias.

Anyway we grew up and left all that behind with the tooth fairy*, didn't we?

*(an old Norse superstition of paying children for their spare teeth to make lucky necklaces for battle, although I might of made that up)

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