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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 19, 2022, 03:51:01 PM »I can confirm this strategy works from a lifetime of experience with women who employ it.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 16, 2022, 10:35:51 AM »you stated that if the man wants to get an abortion and the woman declines, the man should be off the hook for his child support obligations. i fail to see how such a system could possibly avoid the consequence of "any man who doesn't want to pay child support to a woman he has impregnated can simply request that she get an abortion."That's not a consequence, it is the intended goal, but that's not what you said before. This is a bit like saying that allowing abortion has the consequence of "any woman who doesn't want to have a child can simply have an abortion".
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 15, 2022, 04:54:22 PM »lol aside from the fact that this is absurdly illogical, you're just creating a legal loophole for literally every man to get out of having to pay any child support simply by saying he wanted to get an abortion.Not necessarily. There are ways of implementing that idea which do not have such consequences. Assuming the least generous possible implementation of someone else's stated principle is not a very honest way to debate.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 15, 2022, 08:30:49 AM »Yes, it's the woman's body and therefore the woman's right to choose, not the man's.No, Tom happens to be right on this particular issue. If the man wants the woman to get an abortion, and she declines, he should have no obligation (legal or social) to 18 years of financial support for a child he doesn't want.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: NATO Shenanigans
« on: May 13, 2022, 04:56:05 PM »It might be time to create NATO 2.0 and not include countries like Hungary and Turkey. Maybe a EU 2.0 while they're at it to kick those two countries out also.Yes of course, Turkey is a notoriously troublesome EU member.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 10, 2022, 10:53:04 AM »ITT Tom ascribes will and intent to a clump of cells. I suppose if that is what you believe, then being pro-life is consistent, but it does require you to ascribe will and intent to a clump of cells.It also requires you to oppose cancer treatment.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: 2022 Northern Ireland election
« on: May 07, 2022, 06:51:59 PM »
Sinn Féin now definitively has the most seats, for the first time in 101 years. There are still 2 seats left to declare, but Sinn Féin has 27 and DUP has 24, so there is no way for them to catch up.
Unfortunately, they are still harping on about a border poll instead of dealing with the real issues people care about.
Still a step up from the DUP, though.
Unfortunately, they are still harping on about a border poll instead of dealing with the real issues people care about.
While unionists at some count centres were left visibly stunned by the scale of their defeat, there was jubilation among supporters of Sinn Féin, whose leader, Mary Lou McDonald, told TalkTV she believed a border poll on a united Ireland would be possible “within a five-year timeframe”.
Still a step up from the DUP, though.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 06, 2022, 05:02:00 PM »Ironic that the side that's "more aware" of "crises" would prefer to castrate their own genealogical lines resulting in the "wrong" ideology proliferating over their own.I wasn't aware political ideology was genetic.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 06, 2022, 04:05:23 PM »I don't agree with this. People on the far left can have the nurturing urge just like anyone else. It's likely more correlation not causation.Another factor is that people on the left tend to be more aware of the climate, housing and cost of living crises, which leads many to conclude that it is irresponsible to bring a child into today's world. Those who downplay climate change and believe that the market will fix the cost of living on its own tend to be more right-wing.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: 2022 Northern Ireland election
« on: May 06, 2022, 04:00:05 PM »
The election count is well underway. https://www.bbc.com/news/election/2022/northern-ireland/results
As predicted, Sinn Féin topped the first preferences and is (so far) topping the number of seats, although only 15 of 90 seats have been declared as yet.
As predicted, Sinn Féin topped the first preferences and is (so far) topping the number of seats, although only 15 of 90 seats have been declared as yet.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 05, 2022, 07:39:10 PM »Because this country (the GOP and conservatives for clarity's sake) wants more white babies. We don't want to bring in immigrants to help our declining birth rate so the only fix is to force women to have babies. The boomers are getting older and there's not enough people to take care of them.Sounds like they should fix the housing crisis so people can afford to buy a family home, then.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 05, 2022, 07:01:42 PM »Solve the other problems and you greatly diminish abortion.I do agree with this. I can't understand how the anti-abortion crowd aren't campaigning for free birth control.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 05, 2022, 06:41:10 PM »Something that will eventually develop into a life is splitting hairs and irrelevant. Until it is a life then it does not supersede the life of the person carrying it.
You are making a distinction between when a foetus is a “life” and when it isn’t. That distinction doesn’t really exist or, at best, is a grey area which keeps changing as medicine does. I don’t think life begins at conception but I don’t think it’s clear when it becomes so.Well, "life" began 4 billion years ago and has been around continuously since then. The question isn't when an embryo or fœtus becomes "alive", but when it qualifies as a human life.
To me, the important issue here isn't the definition of a "life", but rather the question of the mother-to-be's commitment. If the opportunity is presented to abort at, say, 5 weeks pregnancy, and the mother chooses to keep the baby, then it is unreasonable to say "I changed my mind" at 15 or 20 or 25 weeks, regardless of the state of the fœtus. Conversely, if the opportunity is not available (due to legal or circumstantial restrictions) at an early stage, then an abortion at 15 weeks may make more sense. But the decision to commit (or not) to pregnancy should be made as early as possible to avoid undue suffering on the part of the fœtus, and then once the commitment is made, it should be permanent (with obvious exceptions for life-threatening cases).
On the point about artificial wombs, I don't think that it makes sense to say that just because a zygote would eventually become a human baby, it is best to let it develop. Is bringing a child into an abusive family or an orphanage better than preventing it from ever existing? I know there are some who would say yes, but at the very least it should be clear that there are a variety of reasonable views on that question.
So, once again, we come to the issue being more complex than it first appears.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: 2022 Northern Ireland election
« on: May 05, 2022, 12:55:06 PM »
Not content to have created this situation, Westminster has decided to stoke it some more.
There is no possible reason for them to make this announcement at this particular time, other than in the hope of rousing up anger on election day in Northern Ireland. This isn't about the Protocol, it's about propping up Boris's regime by creating problems that it can then purport to solve.
Boris needs to be ousted, and he needs to be ousted now.
Brandon Lewis indicated on ITV’s Peston programme on Wednesday night that the government had pulled back from including plans in the Queen’s speech next week allowing it to suspend part of the protocol.
Coming just hours before polling stations opened for today’s Assembly election, his comments could spell serious trouble for DUP leader Sir Jeffrey Donaldson.
There is no possible reason for them to make this announcement at this particular time, other than in the hope of rousing up anger on election day in Northern Ireland. This isn't about the Protocol, it's about propping up Boris's regime by creating problems that it can then purport to solve.
Boris needs to be ousted, and he needs to be ousted now.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 04, 2022, 06:05:40 PM »This is one of those issues which too many people (on both sides) pretend is very simple when it’s actually very complexYes, that was my point.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 04, 2022, 03:54:12 PM »i don't get why it matters if it's a person or not. no person has the right to force me to donate any or all of my body to sustain their life.Are you seriously suggesting that abortions after 8 months of pregnancy should be allowed?
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / 2022 Northern Ireland election
« on: May 04, 2022, 03:32:52 PM »
There is an election for the Northern Ireland Assembly tomorrow, and it is set to be a historic one. In the wake of Brexit, the DUP has imploded, paving the way for Sinn Féin to overtake them — the first time a nationalist party will be the largest in more than a century of Northern Irish history. However, their usual rhetoric of campaigning for a border poll on Irish reunification has taken a back seat to dealing with the wake of Brexit and the cost of living crisis this time around.
Brexit, now firmly history in the rest of the UK, has been central to this election debate, with the Northern Ireland Protocol continuing to be as contentious as everyone warned it would be before Brexit was signed off on. The Protocol keeps Northern Ireland within the EU's single market, creating a customs border in the Irish Sea and obligating the UK government to perform checks on goods imported into Northern Ireland from Great Britain — an obligation they are currently failing to meet. This is necessary to avoid a hard border within the island of Ireland, an outcome considered undesirable by all involved.
Meanwhile, the DUP is insisting they will not participate in government until the Protocol is reworked, while still providing no practical alternative suggestions. Since this is very unlikely to happen and the Good Friday Agreement mandates that the Northern Irish government must share power between nationalists and unionists, the likely outcome is that forming government will be difficult, even with Sinn Féin in the dominant position.
The other winner in this election is likely to be Alliance, a centrist party that identifies as neither nationalist nor unionist, but sets itself apart from sectarian politics. They are predicted to gain several seats, and they tend to be a stabilising force in Northern Irish politics, so this is the best news of all for me.
Further reading: NI Assembly election: Everything you need to know — The Irish Times
Whatever the outcome, Brexit is certain to dominate political discourse in Northern Ireland for months to come. Predictably, the rest of the UK continues to not care or even understand that this issue exists, furthering the disconnect between the British in Northern Ireland and their countrymen on the other side of the Irish Sea who consider them little more than a nuisance. I wish I could say a solution was on the horizon, but Westminster has repeatedly rejected every possible solution, leaving Stormont with little recourse of its own.
Brexit, now firmly history in the rest of the UK, has been central to this election debate, with the Northern Ireland Protocol continuing to be as contentious as everyone warned it would be before Brexit was signed off on. The Protocol keeps Northern Ireland within the EU's single market, creating a customs border in the Irish Sea and obligating the UK government to perform checks on goods imported into Northern Ireland from Great Britain — an obligation they are currently failing to meet. This is necessary to avoid a hard border within the island of Ireland, an outcome considered undesirable by all involved.
Meanwhile, the DUP is insisting they will not participate in government until the Protocol is reworked, while still providing no practical alternative suggestions. Since this is very unlikely to happen and the Good Friday Agreement mandates that the Northern Irish government must share power between nationalists and unionists, the likely outcome is that forming government will be difficult, even with Sinn Féin in the dominant position.
The other winner in this election is likely to be Alliance, a centrist party that identifies as neither nationalist nor unionist, but sets itself apart from sectarian politics. They are predicted to gain several seats, and they tend to be a stabilising force in Northern Irish politics, so this is the best news of all for me.
Further reading: NI Assembly election: Everything you need to know — The Irish Times
Whatever the outcome, Brexit is certain to dominate political discourse in Northern Ireland for months to come. Predictably, the rest of the UK continues to not care or even understand that this issue exists, furthering the disconnect between the British in Northern Ireland and their countrymen on the other side of the Irish Sea who consider them little more than a nuisance. I wish I could say a solution was on the horizon, but Westminster has repeatedly rejected every possible solution, leaving Stormont with little recourse of its own.
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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Let's use the site-wide theme in CN
« on: April 29, 2022, 02:22:06 PM »Hear me out though...That looks great, and seems like it should be much improved for colour-blind use (though we should test it with one of those apps that simulates colour-blindness as well).
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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing
« on: April 29, 2022, 12:34:46 AM »
Dunno if you've noticed, but you should be able to post in A&E again now.
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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Let's use the site-wide theme in CN
« on: April 28, 2022, 02:18:41 AM »It is done.This, IMO, is the logical conclusion of all this. In fact, why don't we take this 5 steps further and just try freeing markjo altogether? If he misbehaves, we can restrict him from just S&C and the FE boards.Also agreed. I'll wait a day or so to see if there are objections, and if not I'll make it so.