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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 19, 2022, 03:51:01 PM »I can confirm this strategy works from a lifetime of experience with women who employ it.
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I can confirm this strategy works from a lifetime of experience with women who employ it.
you stated that if the man wants to get an abortion and the woman declines, the man should be off the hook for his child support obligations. i fail to see how such a system could possibly avoid the consequence of "any man who doesn't want to pay child support to a woman he has impregnated can simply request that she get an abortion."That's not a consequence, it is the intended goal, but that's not what you said before. This is a bit like saying that allowing abortion has the consequence of "any woman who doesn't want to have a child can simply have an abortion".
lol aside from the fact that this is absurdly illogical, you're just creating a legal loophole for literally every man to get out of having to pay any child support simply by saying he wanted to get an abortion.Not necessarily. There are ways of implementing that idea which do not have such consequences. Assuming the least generous possible implementation of someone else's stated principle is not a very honest way to debate.
Yes, it's the woman's body and therefore the woman's right to choose, not the man's.No, Tom happens to be right on this particular issue. If the man wants the woman to get an abortion, and she declines, he should have no obligation (legal or social) to 18 years of financial support for a child he doesn't want.
It might be time to create NATO 2.0 and not include countries like Hungary and Turkey. Maybe a EU 2.0 while they're at it to kick those two countries out also.Yes of course, Turkey is a notoriously troublesome EU member.
ITT Tom ascribes will and intent to a clump of cells. I suppose if that is what you believe, then being pro-life is consistent, but it does require you to ascribe will and intent to a clump of cells.It also requires you to oppose cancer treatment.
While unionists at some count centres were left visibly stunned by the scale of their defeat, there was jubilation among supporters of Sinn Féin, whose leader, Mary Lou McDonald, told TalkTV she believed a border poll on a united Ireland would be possible “within a five-year timeframe”.
Ironic that the side that's "more aware" of "crises" would prefer to castrate their own genealogical lines resulting in the "wrong" ideology proliferating over their own.I wasn't aware political ideology was genetic.
I don't agree with this. People on the far left can have the nurturing urge just like anyone else. It's likely more correlation not causation.Another factor is that people on the left tend to be more aware of the climate, housing and cost of living crises, which leads many to conclude that it is irresponsible to bring a child into today's world. Those who downplay climate change and believe that the market will fix the cost of living on its own tend to be more right-wing.
Because this country (the GOP and conservatives for clarity's sake) wants more white babies. We don't want to bring in immigrants to help our declining birth rate so the only fix is to force women to have babies. The boomers are getting older and there's not enough people to take care of them.Sounds like they should fix the housing crisis so people can afford to buy a family home, then.
Solve the other problems and you greatly diminish abortion.I do agree with this. I can't understand how the anti-abortion crowd aren't campaigning for free birth control.
Something that will eventually develop into a life is splitting hairs and irrelevant. Until it is a life then it does not supersede the life of the person carrying it.
You are making a distinction between when a foetus is a “life” and when it isn’t. That distinction doesn’t really exist or, at best, is a grey area which keeps changing as medicine does. I don’t think life begins at conception but I don’t think it’s clear when it becomes so.Well, "life" began 4 billion years ago and has been around continuously since then. The question isn't when an embryo or fœtus becomes "alive", but when it qualifies as a human life.
Brandon Lewis indicated on ITV’s Peston programme on Wednesday night that the government had pulled back from including plans in the Queen’s speech next week allowing it to suspend part of the protocol.
Coming just hours before polling stations opened for today’s Assembly election, his comments could spell serious trouble for DUP leader Sir Jeffrey Donaldson.
This is one of those issues which too many people (on both sides) pretend is very simple when it’s actually very complexYes, that was my point.
i don't get why it matters if it's a person or not. no person has the right to force me to donate any or all of my body to sustain their life.Are you seriously suggesting that abortions after 8 months of pregnancy should be allowed?
Hear me out though...That looks great, and seems like it should be much improved for colour-blind use (though we should test it with one of those apps that simulates colour-blindness as well).
It is done.This, IMO, is the logical conclusion of all this. In fact, why don't we take this 5 steps further and just try freeing markjo altogether? If he misbehaves, we can restrict him from just S&C and the FE boards.Also agreed. I'll wait a day or so to see if there are objections, and if not I'll make it so.