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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« on: August 08, 2022, 06:22:17 PM »

It does not matter if it occurred or not. The point is clearly that women can just get higher standards or opt for marriage.

One is not a connoisseur at birth. Only with a solid knowledge base and experience can one develop impeccable taste.

Yes, because no woman has ever, in the history of humanity, told her suiters that she was waiting until marriage.

How does one opt for higher standards and marriage in the case of rape or incest?

Parents can and do teach their children not to engage in incest.

Less than 1% of abortions occur to rape; you are attempting to use an extreme example to justify the personal irresponsibility of women.

If 1% is so inconsequential to you, why not just leave that exemption from the ban in the law?

I guess in your eyes, a woman dying from maternal causes is even more inconsequential than rape or incest:

In 2020, 861 women were identified as having died of maternal causes in the United States, compared with 754 in 2019 (3). The maternal mortality rate for 2020 was 23.8 deaths per 100,000 live births compared with a rate of 20.1 in 2019

What about the personal responsibility of men?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« on: August 08, 2022, 06:02:15 PM »

The bolded bit of SB 1257 is interesting. Example, if a physician determines that a woman is suicidal because of her rape or incest derived pregnancy and believes she will attempt suicide because of the pregnancy and s/he performs an abortion based upon that, that physician will be charged with a Class C felony.

It seems to delineate the authority and duties of a physician and a psychiatrist.

To an extent. Though a regular old physician can make a case for a patient being suicidal. You don't necessarily have to be a psychiatrist.

I think it simply removes the mental assessment and leaves the physical one only. In essence, one can no longer say "I'm going to kill myself if I have to carry my rapist's-fertilized egg to term," and get an abortion.

It just seems inhumane to me to force a woman to carry even just a fertilized egg (not even a heartbeat) to term even if it was fertilized as the result of incest and/or rape. There's something wrong with that.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« on: August 08, 2022, 07:01:54 AM »

If you guys have nothing to post except a low content post, I would suggest not posting.

It doesn't get more low content than posting some random non-attributable tweet from one individual on the planet talking about a girls-night-out conversation. It literally means nothing and is completely irrelevant.

Wrong. It does not need to be attributable, or have even occurred, to convey the idea that women could just opt for higher standards and marriage.

An argument was expressed there, and it was not directly addressed.

How does one opt for higher standards and marriage in the case of rape or incest?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« on: August 08, 2022, 04:40:47 AM »

If you guys have nothing to post except a low content post, I would suggest not posting.

It doesn't get more low content than posting some random non-attributable tweet from one individual on the planet talking about a girls-night-out conversation. It literally means nothing and is completely irrelevant.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« on: August 08, 2022, 01:31:40 AM »

I guess we can go with this in Tennessee then:

- Abortions in the case of rape or incest are banned
- Abortions after fertilization (point in time when a male human sperm penetrates the zona pellucida of a female human ovum) are banned
- Abortions, if a Dr can convince a court that the woman's life is in danger, are not banned*

*(c) It is an affirmative defense to prosecution under subsection (b), which must be proven by a preponderance of the evidence, that:
(1) The abortion was performed or attempted by a licensed physician;
(2) The physician determined, in the physician's good faith medical judgment, based upon the facts known to the physician at the time, that the abortion was necessary to prevent the death of the pregnant woman or to prevent serious risk of substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function of the pregnant woman. No abortion shall be deemed authorized under this subdivision (c)(2) if performed on the basis of a claim or a diagnosis that the woman will engage in conduct that would result in her death or substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function or for any reason relating to her mental health

The bolded bit of SB 1257 is interesting. Example, if a physician determines that a woman is suicidal because of her rape or incest derived pregnancy and believes she will attempt suicide because of the pregnancy and s/he performs an abortion based upon that, that physician will be charged with a Class C felony.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« on: August 07, 2022, 08:13:05 PM »

Abortion isn't even banned yet, is it?

Will be in Tennessee in a couple of weeks:

Abortion in Tennessee will be illegal from fertilization beginning August 25, 2022, thirty days after the Tennessee Attorney General notified the Tennessee Code Commission that Roe v. Wade was overturned on June 24, 2022,[1][2][3][4] a notification that occurred on July 26, 2022.

Oh, so the Indiana thing is just fake news, right?

And even then, abortion will not be banned or even illegal in Tennessee.

When does fertilization occur?

The Tennessee trigger law bans all abortions (Including rape and incest) with the exception of Dr. proven threat to life of the mother.

SECTION 2. Tennessee Code Annotated, Title 39, Chapter 15, Part 2, is amended by adding the following as a new section:
(2) "Fertilization" means that point in time when a male human sperm penetrates the zona pellucida of a female human ovum;

If you want to play semantics...

ban /ban/
noun
1: an official or legal prohibition.

prohibition /ˌprō(h)əˈbiSH(ə)n/
noun
1: the act of prohibiting by authority. 2 : an order to restrain or stop. 3 often capitalized : the forbidding by law of the manufacture, transportation, and sale of alcoholic liquors except for medicinal and sacramental purposes.

"Bans" can include "exceptions".

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« on: August 07, 2022, 08:57:57 AM »

Abortion isn't even banned yet, is it?

Will be in Tennessee in a couple of weeks:

Abortion in Tennessee will be illegal from fertilization beginning August 25, 2022, thirty days after the Tennessee Attorney General notified the Tennessee Code Commission that Roe v. Wade was overturned on June 24, 2022,[1][2][3][4] a notification that occurred on July 26, 2022.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Old Politicians

« on: August 05, 2022, 05:46:49 PM »

Humanity has been making less important revolutions and inventions as time goes on.

By what measure? Yours?

The Fourth Industrial Revolution: what it means, how to respond

The First Industrial Revolution used water and steam power to mechanize production. The Second used electric power to create mass production. The Third used electronics and information technology to automate production. Now a Fourth Industrial Revolution is building on the Third, the digital revolution that has been occurring since the middle of the last century. It is characterized by a fusion of technologies that is blurring the lines between the physical, digital, and biological spheres.

There are three reasons why today’s transformations represent not merely a prolongation of the Third Industrial Revolution but rather the arrival of a Fourth and distinct one: velocity, scope, and systems impact. The speed of current breakthroughs has no historical precedent. When compared with previous industrial revolutions, the Fourth is evolving at an exponential rather than a linear pace. Moreover, it is disrupting almost every industry in every country. And the breadth and depth of these changes herald the transformation of entire systems of production, management, and governance.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« on: August 05, 2022, 03:02:41 PM »

You clearly do.  You said you think they're undersampling low density areas.  So just want to know what you consider to be accurate sampling.

I wrote no such thing.

Wouldn't this mean the converse:

Polls cannot help but oversample populations with higher population density.

(my bold)

Meaning, Polls cannot help but undersample populations with lower population density?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Old Politicians

« on: August 05, 2022, 12:28:40 AM »

Banners too!

Only $9.99 on Amazon

However, the muscle tee is probably more 'Merica worthy...

Though at $20.99 I'm not sure it's affordable to most of Florida.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« on: August 04, 2022, 05:20:23 PM »

Even Fox polls seem to agree with all of those high-population density biased polls from everywhere else:



Seems to still be true 10 months later:

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Old Politicians

« on: August 04, 2022, 05:12:35 PM »

Points 3 and 4 represent the creation of fundamentally new technologies. The Digital Age in on point 5 represents people doing the same things they were already doing, but on a computer.

For someone to say that a personal computer or even the internet was not revolutionary is insane.

We went from the Harvard Mark I in the 40's:



To this, way more powerful, in the oughts:



And that's not revolutionary?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Old Politicians

« on: August 04, 2022, 07:00:39 AM »

One universal technological revolution should be composed of several sectoral technological revolutions (in science, industry, transport and the like).

We can identify several universal technological revolutions which occurred during the modern era in Western culture:[5]

1. Financial-agricultural revolution (1600–1740)
2. Industrial revolution (1780–1840)
3. Technical revolution or Second Industrial Revolution (1870–1920)
4. Scientific-technical revolution (1940–1970)
5. Information and telecommunications revolution, also known as the Digital Revolution or Third Industrial Revolution (1975–2021)

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Old Politicians

« on: August 03, 2022, 07:44:18 PM »

It is because the pre-1950's generations are still considered by society to be the greatest generations. They are a hard-nosed, no-frills, people with traditional morals who tell it like it is. They won WWII and built the US into a super power and are considered to have established the gold standard in public policy. The era of the early and mid 1900's is also marked by extraordinary revolution from the telephone, automobile, airplane, radio, radar, computer, manufacturing, and medicine, which have only been refined and improved on today without fundamental revolution.

The list of achievements from the recent generations are comparably poor with some achievements in certain areas, but have not provided a comparative revolution to society to dignify the generation on. These later generations have only managed to continue or arguably degrade the status quo.

So you're a part of the later generations that degrade the status quo?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« on: August 03, 2022, 07:40:35 PM »

"Mr Biden said the result showed "the majority of Americans agree that women should have access to abortion". - Evidently, the BBC thinks like Biden (for shame), that Kansans represent all of citizens of the US.

Doesn’t basically every poll show that Americans are largely pro choice?

Basically, every poll is taken from areas where the population is most dense.

I don't think that is entirely true. From Pew:

Most of our U.S. surveys are conducted on the American Trends Panel (ATP), the Center’s national survey panel of over 10,000 randomly selected U.S. adults. ATP participants are recruited offline using random sampling from the U.S. Postal Service’s residential address file. Respondents complete the surveys online using smartphones, tablets or desktop devices. We provide tablets and data plans to adults without home internet.

Our surveys are representative of the entire adult population of the United States and accurately account for the full population’s diversity by age, gender, race and ethnicity, region, and socioeconomic factors such as education levels, household income and employment status.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« on: August 03, 2022, 05:50:42 PM »

True, especially in western Kansas. Kansas City pop is about 500k and it looks like that area is decidedly Blue. What's interesting is that Wichita, pop approx 400k is decidedly Red along with basically the entirety of the rest of the State.

One would probably have to look at the make-up of all the red counties, get the No's versus Yes's votes cast, to really see if it was a Kansas City thing or a Kansas thing.

Considering a 59% to 41% count, that large of a spread leads me to believe it was not just a Kansas City thing, but a Kansas thing.

Edit - From 538:



Definitely more of an urban thing, though interesting to see a sort of mix out in the hinterlands.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« on: August 03, 2022, 04:30:03 PM »

I think the point is that a very Red state doesn't appear to be entirely aligned with the GOP platform.

Indeed — in a two-party system, it only needs to find the GOP's platform very slightly less abhorrent than the Democrats'.

Agreed, the difference is wafer thin on some issues.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Automatic Logout while submitting a post

« on: August 03, 2022, 04:26:29 PM »

I have windows 10 but I don't have spell check.  Or the back option that Stack described.  Is there a setting I can change?  I'm okay without it..

Your browser doesn't have a back button? You don't have one of these:

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« on: August 03, 2022, 04:16:31 PM »

I never would have guessed Kansas would vote No considering how red the state is...It's like the inverse of 2020...

It's almost like a two-candidate election is an atrocious way to represent nuance in political beliefs.

I kind of agree. But I wouldn't consider abortion rights, or the removal of, to be a nuance in political beliefs. It seems to be a major part of the GOP platform (Abortion falls under the GOP platform 5th Amendment - Out of 10 - titled "Protecting Human Life").
And Kansas seems to be a predominantly red state - The Kansas 2020 House and Senate races were very GOP leaning as well as the Presidential race.

I think the point is that a very Red state doesn't appear to be entirely aligned with the GOP platform.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Automatic Logout while submitting a post

« on: August 03, 2022, 03:43:16 PM »

In chrome and firefox, when I hit preview or post, (If log-in time is expired) it'll shoot me over to the log-in screen, log-in, it takes you to an empty post box, hit the back button a couple of times, you land on your previous written non-previewed/non-posted post, hit preview or post and you're all set.

Also, at log-in, you can specify the number of minutes you stay logged in. I think. Maybe that's the other site.