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It's not, but the atmosphere has water vapor which can add to refraction...

It seems you have not studied the effects of water vapor on the index of refraction.

Also, the sun sets in deserts and over the ocean alike.  Ascribing correct or incorrect effects of water vapor doesn't help.

Okay, fair enough.   Nitrogen and Oxygen are 99% of the earth's atmosphere - not water vapor.

I'm still trying to find data about the properties of the atmosphere after which I can compare the effects of refraction.

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no way, you can see the weather outside!

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Comprehensive explanation for sunsets
« on: October 02, 2022, 07:36:42 PM »
I hope to make a more accurate model to scale to test some of these assumptions...

And yeah, I believe in space travel and photography.  The only way to reconcile FE Theory and space travel in my view is to not doubt its authenticity, rather finding a different interpretation of the data if called for.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Comprehensive explanation for sunsets
« on: October 02, 2022, 05:43:52 PM »
Cashew its like saying refraction exists through solid mediums - liquid mediums - and gaseous atmospheric mediums...  Its an established phenomenon.  We can argue how much atmospheric refraction exists which I think is your general point.

I can give you a few numbers as to what the diameter of the earth is, sun, moon, and distance between them but its really not worth it.   

But generally I'd put all my distances within thousands of miles which is similar to some general FE theory.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Comprehensive explanation for sunsets
« on: October 02, 2022, 03:42:52 PM »
The bulb is definitely too big but I'm not sure about the distance being wrong.  I used to think a spotlight sun was the only way to simulate the day/night and other observations on earth but then I tried different distances and they all worked the same.  I'm trying to recreate Voyager 1 photos of the sun and earth to get a more accurate simulation...


https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/resources/536/voyager-1s-pale-blue-dot/

Here's a close up of the Earth Sun relationship...



Earth is located where it says "E", Venus "V" and the sun appears in only some photos but I marked it as "Sun".  You can see how far away Earth is relative to the Sun which I hope isn't too far off from my photo.  Moving the lightbulb away like I did is not accurate but I was just proving the point of atmospheric refraction.  If you actually turn the Map in a circular motion or in many other configurations you can also get a sunset and night effect.  It's bizarre almost but the light just fades away.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Comprehensive explanation for sunsets
« on: October 02, 2022, 03:10:54 PM »
It's not, but the atmosphere has water vapor which can add to refraction...

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Comprehensive explanation for sunsets
« on: October 02, 2022, 02:51:35 PM »
Yes solid..

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Comprehensive explanation for sunsets
« on: October 02, 2022, 09:38:28 AM »
McTOON -

Here is another FE theory about Sunsets.  In the first image, you can see a light bulb hovering over a flat earth map with a glass magnifying dome on top.  You can see how half the earth is covered with light and the other half in darkness (night).



To explain sunsets, you need to understand how light is seen from earth through an atmospheric dome... In this short video, I placed a camera beneath the dome pictured above and slowly walked away to simulate the sun moving away from observers during a sunset.  As you can see, the glass dome slowly fades the image of the light bulb into darkness...


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Yes, perhaps not everybody voted but I I think there was an effort to include residents of the area, including those who fled to Russia.  It does seem like a high number.  Zelenskyy said he's concerned about people within these regions who may not be so quick to pick sides.

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Why does anyone doubt that the some regions in eastern Ukraine would want to seperate themselves from the current Ukrainian government?  In 2014, the same government overthrew there Russian Guy who has since been in exile in Russia. ?

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Thanks :)

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So apparently they have scrapped Tuesday's 9/27 launch attempt because of Hurricane Ian approaching Florida's launch site (See images below).  Later Tonight or Tomorrow Nasa will decide whether to move the shuttle back to its main housing facility. IF they do, then their next October 2nd launch attempt will be scrapped and a later date will be made. 

Today's Weather (9/25)


Tuesday's Forecast (9/27)


Update:  The spacecraft will be moved to its "Vehicle Assembly Building" 4 miles from the launch site.  A new Launch date hasn't been mentioned.  AND Nasa just crashed a rocket into an Astroid with there "DART" mission...  It looked like a video game.  :)

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Evidence of the firmament
« on: September 19, 2022, 11:43:39 PM »
So it seems average strataspheroc temps are higher around the South Pole?  The temperature inversion beginning at the stratosphere from cold to warm as you move up in altitude may help explain a low troposphere and taller atmosphere on top. 

There's still some unexplained things though.  From 90N latitude the stratosphere is 4 miles high.  From 90S latitude the stratosphere or other top layers would begin to be much taller (on a South centered FE Map)- like  by 5 or 6 times to make a dome shape.   These kind of measurements I will look for.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Evidence of the firmament
« on: September 19, 2022, 02:35:39 PM »
I'm not arguing the height of the Troposphere.  its the height of taller atmospheric layers which I'm looking for...  I haven't found it in the paper you sent me yet..

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Evidence of the firmament
« on: September 19, 2022, 01:50:25 PM »
Bob, all of the data I use is 99% "science approved" or from reputable institutions which I think your referring to..  Look again at the data I provided..

I need to sort through the atmospheric data you sent me in more detail later.

And to your earlier question about FE Theory in contention with regular atmospheric layer structure.... its not a problem.  As the visual above says, space craft, satellites, and the sun and moon all have there own "atmospheric" layer they reside in or on top of.  The sun and moon may be "on top" of another layer like the exosphere, but also within there own layer like the Heliosphere. 

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: New! SUM Speclatron Universe Model
« on: September 19, 2022, 01:31:56 PM »
I can't pretend to understand some of this, but at least your trying to address some of the questions science has regarding space/matter...   Thanks!

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Evidence of the firmament
« on: September 18, 2022, 10:05:01 PM »
Maybe a firmament or solid structure isn't necessary at the edges of a flat earth?  On a round earth, the layers of the atmosphere are lower in height at the Poles and higher at the Equator.  For example, the Troposphere is 4 miles high at the Poles and 12 miles high at the Equator.

The reason is that cold temperature makes liquids and gases more dense and sit closer to the ground. But if the atmosphere always seeks it level, why doesn't the higher and less dense air near the equator "spill over" into the Arctic areas?  I assume its the slow and gradual change in height, temp, and density that allows air to sit alongside itself like a load bearing Archway.

The same logic I think can apply to a flat earth.  The cold and more dense air at the edge of the disc help hold in the lesser dense air in the middle and it naturally creates a Dome.

I'm aware on a flat earth the altitude of the Atmosphere would have to be higher at one pole and lower at another pole to form a dome.  I can think of a few possibilities like air pressure but more investigation is needed.  Edit:. It's possible the lower atmosphere is condensed by cold temps in the center of a flat Earth but that the higher thinner air collects in the middle and maintains a domed shape.



Here's an explanation of Atmospheric layers on a Round Earth, but it doesn't address the height differences between the poles. 


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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: The Blatant Lies of National Geographic
« on: September 14, 2022, 09:37:34 AM »
So far photographing objects in the distance are beginning to look unreliable as to whether its physical in nature or a refracted image.

Leaving waves and perspective aside, its clear that sometimes depending on the weather ships and other objects will sink beneath the horizon or in front of it as is the case with the Nat Geo experiment.
 Objects will also remain level with the horizon or even float above it as is the case with "Superior Mirages"!


https://www.oldsaltblog.com/2021/03/good-ship-fata-morgana-hovering-above-the-horizon/

When the air is hotter at the surface and cooler above it, it can bend images down and produce a sinking ship effect.  When the air is cool at the surface and gets hotter going up, then images can be bent upwards and appear to float above the horizon.

I suppose the real disagreement is about the nature and affects of refraction. 

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Evidence of the firmament
« on: September 13, 2022, 09:32:52 AM »
Hi Jonny,

Here's a few links to the Wiki which might help you get started....https://wiki.tfes.org/Atmolayer

Gernerally speaking, the atmosphere on a flat earth is made of the same layers of gases as seen on a round earth (troposphere, mesosphere, stratosphere) etc... These all stack on top of one another and form domes within domes as there edges curve towards the ground near the edges of earth.  Each of these domes has a "firmament" or boundry layer called Tropopause, Mesopause, Stratopause, etc...) 

I'm not sure what contains all of these layers to earth generally speaking, except perhaps ice.  Space is freezing cold, and that would naturally form a layer of Ice along the edge of the outer atmosphere to hold it in. 

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Technology & Information / Re: T minus 30 minutes - Artemis Mission to Moon
« on: September 03, 2022, 06:42:24 PM »
 :P  it'll happen

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