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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Moon landing Technology-Adam ruins everything
« on: October 12, 2020, 12:53:18 AM »
Ok, I can completely accept the potential motivation for faking space supremacy ( I firmly believe the evidence is overwhelming that they actually did what they say, but I definitely get the sentiment).

How are amateur HAM radio ops part of the space supremacy or NASA? I'm not trying to be a jerk here I'm just not understanding the connection at all

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Moon landing Technology-Adam ruins everything
« on: October 12, 2020, 12:10:26 AM »
My friend doesnt understand why that's a bad thing... or how that hurts that argument if HAMheads  have been doing that 'since the cold war'.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: October 08, 2020, 01:34:20 PM »
https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/10/07/1009664/trumps-antibody-treatment-was-tested-using-cells-from-an-abortion/

Yep, COVID treatment that comes from research using fetal cells derived from abortions is "a miracle coming down from God" (Trump's words) and may have saved the President's life. I expect an announcement reversing his position on abortion any time now, as well as an announcement from the Evangelicals denouncing the treatment and criticizing Trump for allowing his life to be saved in such a barbaric way.

The evangelicals AND the GOP's brand new super pro-life supreme court justice nominee, dont leave her out!

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Round Earthers and eclipses
« on: October 08, 2020, 02:01:02 AM »
The wiki article provides a thorough explanation for the perceived weaknesses in astronomy - perturbations, three-body problem etc. - it is an interesting read, but does not explain how solar eclipses work on a flat earth. The solar eclipse page explains how eclipse paths look nicer on a flat earth map, agrees that the cause is the moon blocking the sun, but no other details are provided.

 Are the sun and moon the same size, roughly the same height above the disk? Does it get colder during an eclipse because the cold lazer light emitted from the moon is blocking all the hot sunlight? Do the lengths of the shadow paths make sense with the orbital velocities of the two bodies above the earth's plane?

I'm not pretending to have any answers, this stuff is out of my wheelhouse, but I'm very curious how it works.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: October 06, 2020, 11:48:59 PM »
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ wow^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

...because apparently a one time, $1200 cheque was too much.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: October 06, 2020, 01:35:43 PM »
The videos of him back standing at the White House for photos, taking is mask of, standing and eventually giving a thumb's up were startling. His breathing looks so labored. All he can muster is a quick thumbs up, no big waves, doesnt even smile. Just focused, labored breathing in through the nose, out through the mouth.

Does not look like a man who has 'beaten' a respiratory illness.
He walked across the lawn and up a flight of stairs. He didn't look in tip top condition but not at death's door either.

Yep, fair. I wasnt trying to imply that he's about to croak or anything, just that he is very obviously still physically affected by Covid. It's not a 48-hour flu. People younger and much healthier than POTUS have struggled to recover and/or died. Trump isn't 'over' covid, and leaving the hospital is plain and simply irresponsible.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: October 06, 2020, 12:29:42 PM »
The videos of him back standing at the White House for photos, taking is mask of, standing and eventually giving a thumb's up were startling. His breathing looks so labored. All he can muster is a quick thumbs up, no big waves, doesnt even smile. Just focused, labored breathing in through the nose, out through the mouth.

Does not look like a man who has 'beaten' a respiratory illness.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: October 05, 2020, 02:34:44 AM »
It's not just 350M gun-shootin', abortion-hatin', freedom-lovin', God-fearin' publicans in 'Merica?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Questions for Flat Earthers
« on: October 04, 2020, 11:54:51 PM »
Yeah ok, but how, specifically?

I mean we can all agree that it's really big, so we can agree that creates practical challenges in measuring it.

I wont claim to be an expert on any of these things, so you can take whatever you want with the studies that test RE vs FE I mention below, but they provide extremely useful information on earth's shape using simple observations and trigonometry.

- measure the angle/length of shadows at solar noon on an equinox. The changing angles will allow you to measure the changing shape of the earth

- measure the angle of the sun at sunrise and sunset on either equinox. It is always due east at sunrise and due west at sunset. These hold for everyone on earth, on any latitude.

-plot out a travel path with three 90-degree turns. When you have a big enough travel path, you can make an equilateral triangle. This would not be possible on a flat surface.

Like I said, I'm no expert on this, but I'm curious what repeatable measurements of the earth you would qualify could assess its shape.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Geology on a flat earth
« on: October 04, 2020, 11:42:21 PM »
Agree the idea of plate tectonics working on a flat earth is not a problem in itself.

The issue(s) come up whe  you consider all the other factors around plate tectonics... if the earth has an edge(s), then where do the subducting oceanic plates along the Antarctic ice wall end up? What is the source of heat to melt significant thicknesses of rock in the mantle? How thick is the mantle/crust/earth's disk/puck/cylinder?

The wiki addresses some of the major geologic processes, but leaves a great deal out. It theorizes a subduction margin along the Antarctic continent/ice wall...but we actually know where that margin lies and how it interacts with other plates. The trans Antarctic mountains, fossil groupings, and bedrock stratigraphy in antarctica all combine to suggest that it hasn't always been a single plate, nor has it always been at the south pole. When it wasnt there, what was keeping the oceans up?

It's not that plate tectonics definitively couldnt work on a flat earth, it's that the accumulation of all the observations and our understanding of geologic processes all fit perfectly within a round earth.

I grant the common argument from flat earth proponents that the shape of celestial bodies doesnt bear any significance in discussing the shape of the earth. But if you ascribe to that belief, then there should be much greater weight on using our understanding of what happens here on earth to building our understanding.

There's my 2 cents...

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: October 04, 2020, 02:11:11 PM »

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Questions for Flat Earthers
« on: October 04, 2020, 11:50:47 AM »
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Still, I don't know whether the earth is flat or not

You and everybody else!  There is only one way to determine the shape of the earth, and the data hasn't even been collected yet (let alone rigorously and repeatedly validated and verified).


What way is that?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: October 02, 2020, 09:13:00 PM »

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Zetetic method vs UA
« on: October 02, 2020, 06:18:09 PM »
You can derive the mathematical reason for why the two different masses are accelerated at the same rate in grade 11 physics though.

The little m for the mass of any falling object - you, me, a marble, a bowling ball, the ISS - would appear on both sides of the equation, so that value cancels out, regardless of its value.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Zetetic method vs UA
« on: October 02, 2020, 06:02:48 PM »
Yeah, I definitely get the EP side of things here, but agree with Tominaustin...

Imagine being in a vacuum chamber, standing on a platform with a trap door. What would your body sense when that trap door is instantaneously released?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Thunderf00t's Mars video
« on: October 02, 2020, 05:14:06 PM »
They're out there :)

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: October 02, 2020, 02:35:21 PM »
This covid diagnosis would be the first weakness of any kind that Trump has admitted to... theres no evidence  it's a lie, but there are no shortage of reasons why it would be beneficial to him to claim to have it...

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Thunderf00t's Mars video
« on: October 01, 2020, 06:23:53 PM »
To me, the fact that the sun and all the other planets have phases, are spherical, and have satellites that orbit them is strong evidence that all large bodies tend to be spherical, and that the large body which we inhabit is very likely to be similar.

But I also grant the common FE argument that their shapes provide no bearing on earth's shape. If we want to learn about that, we have to look at the earth itself. Luckily theres plenty of evidence for the curvature of the earth right here on our planet, even though the horizon always looks flat to our eyes.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Thunderf00t's Mars video
« on: October 01, 2020, 05:14:59 PM »
The wiki covers that. To paraphrase though, the shape of planets and sun doesnt really matter for the shape of the earth.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Thunderf00t's Mars video
« on: October 01, 2020, 04:25:56 PM »
That's some beautiful footage. For those who dont want to watch the whole thing, the answer to his question in the title really starts at about 10 minutes.

Always been a sucker for valles marinares myself, ever since learning about it in planetary astronomy course I took. One of the best potential locations to find remnant liquid/solid water at surface, given the increased atmospheric pressure, being several km lower than the rest of the surface.

...kinda hard to land a rover or probe down there though!

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