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Flat Earth Theory / Re: My Happiest Thought
« on: Today at 09:26:54 PM »
You guys are both kinda right, for all the wrong reasons.

Steve, your premise is fair, but you're assuming that surface variations in mass distributions are significant enough on the scale of the purported flat earth. Even if the flat earth disk was only one meter thicker than our deepest borehole drilled so far (~8 km), that mass of dense rock would likely be sufficient to outweigh the irregularities that arise to to mountains, valleys, ocean basins etc.


Tom  has rightly pointed this out, but is now asserting long-lasting geologic processes like mountain building and erosion account for why we see things balanced the way we do. Introducing these processes creates a host problems because they are not addressed in FET (the wiki provides no references to support the descriptions on that page, and lists a type of rock that doesnt exist).

Neither of your recent claims are based in much that is verifiable or testable.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Official Sports Thread
« on: April 11, 2021, 11:08:42 PM »
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Flat Earth Theory / Re: My Happiest Thought
« on: April 11, 2021, 11:55:18 AM »
I'm by no means an expert on tidal forces outside a couple physics and planetary astronomy courses.

The short answer is yes. But the more specific answer is that it's probably negligible in the grand scheme of things.

When it's high tide in the middle of the ocean, that only an extra <1m of water masses there. You get higher tides along the coasts, but the famously high tides like in the Bay of Fundy only occur because you have such a restricted basin geometry, so water 'piles up' in that funnel shaped basin to rise 8 m or so. Very impressive sight and causes some spectacular geomorphology, but it's really  not a huge deal as far as adding and removing mass in the context of the earth, since theres still ~5600 km of rock beneath it.

With GRACE data, I would bet that the local mass change due to tides would be enough to be measurable - but again, would be small.  For instance, GRACE data, though coarse resolution (around 200 x 200 km depending on the specific region) has measured changes in gravitational pull measured in areas of extreme groundwater extraction, around the Great Lakes as water levels have risen in the last 8-10 years, and it can measure seasonal changes due to ice and snow melt in some regions.

But again, these changes are (probably) like measuring increased mass added to a pool when someone pees in it.

Edit: should add that the weight distribution on the surface of the earth is obviously unequal, but much of it is 'cosmetic' in nature. The real difference makers are tectonic systems like subduction zones, mountain belts, hot spots, where dense crust (not just near surface rock units) is thickened by a more significant amount (several to tens of km!).

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Flat Earth Community / Great pics of ISS
« on: April 11, 2021, 02:42:20 AM »
Stumbled across these pics on reddit today

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNdrODKJzsB/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet

Pretty awesome shots of the ISS transiting a crescent moon in the early a.m. :o

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: My Happiest Thought
« on: April 10, 2021, 11:17:07 PM »
The water over marianas trench has limited significance to the overall mass beneath that part of Earth

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: April 10, 2021, 12:00:25 PM »


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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Official Sports Thread
« on: April 08, 2021, 05:37:59 PM »
Masters weekend, who ya got?

Greens are playing like they're concrete but rain in the forecast fo friday, DJ just drained a ridiculous chip.


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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Is there anything that RET cannot explain?
« on: April 08, 2021, 03:44:47 PM »
That is a very poor attempt at diverting from the central question of the matter. The details may be lost, but whether or not planes flew battles around the Falklands, and the round trip distances involved in those battles for Argentinan pilots and craft, is the matter at hand.

If you want to talk about history and the civil war, start a new topic.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: New Georgia Law and Corporations
« on: April 08, 2021, 01:51:37 AM »
The above link I gave says that they don't bother pursuing it and that those statistics are consequently invalid.

If they know what they aren't pursuing, then they should also have some idea of how much could be pursued or not.

I have been (very casually) following politics since I was young and I cant think of a single time that a major election was called into question over legitimate concerns of in person voter fraud.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: New Georgia Law and Corporations
« on: April 08, 2021, 01:07:54 AM »
Is there a difference in rates of in-person voter fraud between states with strict ID requirements and those without?

Certainty of getting caught is a deterrent, sure, but is there a problem?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: New Georgia Law and Corporations
« on: April 07, 2021, 10:09:10 PM »
The funny thing is that many (most?) Left leaning people want ALL corporate money out of politics. Get the corporate lobbyists out of DC and prevent them from turning congressmen and women into millionaires.

Having a Democrat offer a republican a Dasani while hes waiting in the voting lines in Georgia isnt going to turn them from voting Red.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: About the conspiracy
« on: April 05, 2021, 01:36:12 PM »
Yes, I suppose I am. Among other space agencies (and I realise you have previously suggested they're all in on things together, given their collaboration)

Given the terabytes and terabyte of data they've made publicly available over the last few decades, including live streams from the ISS, pictures from mars, pictures of earth, which can be correlated with observed atmospheric conditions from the ground, people bouncing signals of the moon.

I weigh that against "space bubbles", the #marsrat, green screen ISS acrobats and other recent anti-NASA explanations I've seen and I make up my own mind

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: About the conspiracy
« on: April 05, 2021, 01:26:46 PM »
Branding math for orbital calculations as an embarrassing failure that doesn't "work" seems rather disingenuous given we've sent orbiters, landed probes and/or rovers on a large number of objects in the solar system, and have established continuous monitoring of solar activity by installing satellites at lagrange points.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 05, 2021, 03:38:43 AM »

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: April 04, 2021, 10:55:50 PM »
The arguments against legalization are getting less and less significant all the time.

Especially now as governments are going to be trying to work themselves out of the red after spending like crazy to provide covid relief. A fre hundred million dollars in new tax revenue for every ~15-20M people is an easy way to ease some of the upcoming fiscal stress.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Is there anything that RET cannot explain?
« on: April 04, 2021, 02:28:21 AM »

A historian is an appropriate source to cite on an undisputed topic or factoid about physics. However, if a physicist disagrees with him, the historian's opinion is pretty much garbage. He simply doesn't have the required credentials to rebut a physicist, no matter how many times anyone calls him an 'expert'.

I don't disagree with you... but I would say the historian in question is a bit of a special case.

More importantly though, relying on subject matter experts is a good way to gather information on relevant subjects (I know, what a deep, insightful proposition). So I would then ask... what subject matter experts form the basis of understanding antarctica or the ice wall? The glaciologists I know view the ice wall as the marine terminus of ice streams, which are fed by ice flowing from accumulation areas thousands of kilometers inland, and hundreds of meters higher in elevation (Bennett, 2003; Wellner et al. 2006; Wingham et al 2006; Bell et al 2007; Ò'Cofaigh et al. 2008; Livinstone et al. 2012; Rignot et al. 2019)*.

Or maybe we should ask the explorers? Historical and modern men and women who have crossed the continent or conducted research at the south pole?

If you're going to defend your position on one aspect of things by allowing the opinions of a subject matter expert outweigh the work of others with less foundational background in the subject, I would suggest you consider applying the same level of scrutiny to other aspects of FET.

*enter those those names/year+Antarctica+ "ice streams" in a google scholar search...as memory serves, most or all are open access publications

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: About the conspiracy
« on: April 03, 2021, 01:23:17 PM »
Yep, that makes sense.

Where I get confused is where the boundary would be between observers close to earth (at least as high as highest air balloon, planes etc) and those who do not feel the effects of 'g' and are accelerating upward with the earth to feel weightless.

Are there available data that could be looked at to test or narrow down where that transition might lie? Flight logs/observed velocities of launching rockets maybe?

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Yeah some of that declassified Navy footage is pretty cool to watch.

I dont know what to make of it, but the context of it makes it pretty interesting, considering how it was collected

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Dont unmute:


Ripped this from a similar thread in FET board "low earth orbits vs sun and moon"

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: April 01, 2021, 09:19:23 PM »
Ooh look, progress!

I'm definitely generally pro-resource development, but this is an important step.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/epa-trump-experts-removed-b1825226.html

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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