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Re: Where are the documents from NASA that show it's all a hoax?
« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2018, 06:07:56 PM »
tl;dr: NASA would not be able to classify information concerning faking a Moon landing.

These are the current rules for classification of information. §3.3(a) states that all documents from more than 25 years ago are automatically declassified, with nine exceptions outlined in §3.3(b):

  • Information identifying a key intelligence source or weaken intelligence gathering.
  • Information regarding WMDs.
  • Codebooks.
  • Information that would weaken a state-of-the-art weapons system.
  • War plans that are still in effect.
  • Information that would greatly weaken diplomatic relations.
  • Presidential security detail or its vulnerabilities.
  • Weaknesses in national security emergency preparations.
  • Information whose declassification would violate a treaty or act of Congress.

I must ask, which of these would faking the Moon landings fall under?
This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard! It's like robbing a bank and then keeping it on record. This is dumb.

Re: Where are the documents from NASA that show it's all a hoax?
« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2018, 06:25:44 PM »
tl;dr: NASA would not be able to classify information concerning faking a Moon landing.

These are the current rules for classification of information. §3.3(a) states that all documents from more than 25 years ago are automatically declassified, with nine exceptions outlined in §3.3(b):

  • Information identifying a key intelligence source or weaken intelligence gathering.
  • Information regarding WMDs.
  • Codebooks.
  • Information that would weaken a state-of-the-art weapons system.
  • War plans that are still in effect.
  • Information that would greatly weaken diplomatic relations.
  • Presidential security detail or its vulnerabilities.
  • Weaknesses in national security emergency preparations.
  • Information whose declassification would violate a treaty or act of Congress.

I must ask, which of these would faking the Moon landings fall under?
This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard! It's like robbing a bank and then keeping it on record. This is dumb.
By the Freedom of Information Act, they are required to. It's not a question of why they kept a record.
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Re: Where are the documents from NASA that show it's all a hoax?
« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2018, 07:54:29 PM »
So they kept no records to destroy proof that they "robbed the bank". But yet the conspiracy has been pretty much very self consistent. How would that happen?

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Re: Where are the documents from NASA that show it's all a hoax?
« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2018, 12:34:56 PM »
Classification of information isn't stupid, it's safe.  For example, if we released the genetic sequence for Botulism H, a barrel could kill billions.  Under #2, that record is classified.

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Re: Where are the documents from NASA that show it's all a hoax?
« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2018, 01:32:12 PM »
tl;dr: NASA would not be able to classify information concerning faking a Moon landing.

These are the current rules for classification of information. §3.3(a) states that all documents from more than 25 years ago are automatically declassified, with nine exceptions outlined in §3.3(b):

  • Information identifying a key intelligence source or weaken intelligence gathering.
  • Information regarding WMDs.
  • Codebooks.
  • Information that would weaken a state-of-the-art weapons system.
  • War plans that are still in effect.
  • Information that would greatly weaken diplomatic relations.
  • Presidential security detail or its vulnerabilities.
  • Weaknesses in national security emergency preparations.
  • Information whose declassification would violate a treaty or act of Congress.

I must ask, which of these would faking the Moon landings fall under?
This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard! It's like robbing a bank and then keeping it on record. This is dumb.
By the Freedom of Information Act, they are required to. It's not a question of why they kept a record.
Well I guess this is the first time someone went against the requirement.

Re: Where are the documents from NASA that show it's all a hoax?
« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2018, 01:52:28 PM »
Well I guess this is the first time someone went against the requirement.
They would have been bankrolling an entire film crew, as well as purchasing some incredibly expensive apparatus to create those parallel shadows. They've also released classified documents for other missions they've done.

Why would this be any different?
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Re: Where are the documents from NASA that show it's all a hoax?
« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2018, 07:09:57 PM »
Well I guess this is the first time someone went against the requirement.
They would have been bankrolling an entire film crew, as well as purchasing some incredibly expensive apparatus to create those parallel shadows. They've also released classified documents for other missions they've done.

Why would this be any different?
Idk I'm not NASA, I do know there is many secrets the US Government is keeping from you, so why wouldn't NASA do the same?

Re: Where are the documents from NASA that show it's all a hoax?
« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2018, 07:15:58 PM »
Well I guess this is the first time someone went against the requirement.
They would have been bankrolling an entire film crew, as well as purchasing some incredibly expensive apparatus to create those parallel shadows. They've also released classified documents for other missions they've done.

Why would this be any different?
Idk I'm not NASA, I do know there is many secrets the US Government is keeping from you, so why wouldn't NASA do the same?
NASA has their fair share of secrets. My point is that, for documents pertaining to the Moon landing, they can no longer keep them secret.
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Re: Where are the documents from NASA that show it's all a hoax?
« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2018, 10:51:44 PM »
I do know there is many secrets the US Government is keeping from you, so why wouldn't NASA do the same?

Why WOULD they be the same? Can you provide any proof they are the same?




There's many things the US Govt is NOT keeping from you. Why wouldn't NASA be the same?
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Re: Where are the documents from NASA that show it's all a hoax?
« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2018, 01:20:02 AM »
This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard! It's like robbing a bank and then keeping it on record. This is dumb.
I'm curious.
If, as your personal text claims,  you are a "Follower of Ptolemy" why don't you accept that the earth is a Globe as Ptolemy certainly did.

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Re: Where are the documents from NASA that show it's all a hoax?
« Reply #30 on: May 20, 2018, 07:44:37 PM »
Of course, FET contends that the rockets were all real, so how would declassifying how they did the rest undermine ICBMs?

Long range ICBMs require earth orbit to exist. 

Wrong.  ICBM means intercontinental ballistic missile.  A ballistic trajectory is not orbital by it's very definition.  Throw a rock and it's a ballistic missile. 
If you are making your claim without evidence then we can discard it without evidence.

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Re: Where are the documents from NASA that show it's all a hoax?
« Reply #31 on: May 20, 2018, 07:56:01 PM »
ICBMs usually travel in suborbital trajectories, which saves a lot of fuel. It would also be possible on a flat Earth.

Look at Hitler's rocket programs during WWII. Without getting into earth orbit he could only get his rockets to an operational range of 200 miles or so.

After WWII ended the Cold War goal was to get Hitler's rockets into orbit for unlimited range, and to put in a nuclear payload. The rockets thenceforth were all based on the Nazi V2 design. The V2 was recreated from Nazi blueprints and launched in White Sands New Mexico, and modifications were made to it until it could allegedly get into earth orbit.

Tom Tom Tom.  Orbit is not about altitude alone but speed.  You can fire a missile into orbital altitude ranges but without the speed, it just falls back to earth.  The Germans V2 problem was later solved with staging, guidance and bigger and better engines.   We also had around 200 copies we brought over, we did not have to recreate them at first, we had the builders and the rockets.   History Tom, look into it.  The V2 never was alleged to get into orbit, Juno I was the first US rocket to get into orbit. It had 4 stages.

Read up on Delta V and you will understand where you are wrong.
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Re: Where are the documents from NASA that show it's all a hoax?
« Reply #32 on: June 01, 2018, 11:15:53 AM »
NASA recently released all the unedited photos taken from the Apollo programs.  They are on the web somewhere.

This begs the question, if it’s all fake, why did they go to the effort of creating thousands of photos, which all have to bear up to scrutiny and continuity.

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Re: Where are the documents from NASA that show it's all a hoax?
« Reply #33 on: June 01, 2018, 10:33:14 PM »
Of course, FET contends that the rockets were all real, so how would declassifying how they did the rest undermine ICBMs?

Long range ICBMs require earth orbit to exist. 

Wrong.  ICBM means intercontinental ballistic missile.  A ballistic trajectory is not orbital by it's very definition.  Throw a rock and it's a ballistic missile.

Long range ICBMs get into a sub-orbital path, which could not exist if the earth is not a globe.

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Re: Where are the documents from NASA that show it's all a hoax?
« Reply #34 on: June 01, 2018, 11:05:40 PM »
Of course, FET contends that the rockets were all real, so how would declassifying how they did the rest undermine ICBMs?

Long range ICBMs require earth orbit to exist. 

Wrong.  ICBM means intercontinental ballistic missile.  A ballistic trajectory is not orbital by it's very definition.  Throw a rock and it's a ballistic missile.

Long range ICBMs get into a sub-orbital path, which could not exist if the earth is not a globe.

Are you denying that there are ICBMs?
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