[Ratboy]

I think a great hoax would be to claim the earth is flat and that I need a trillion dollars (see estimate in other threads) to bribe academics and man an army of people to circle the Antarctic ring to prevent anyone from getting too far south to find out the ice ring does not actually exist.  What evidence is there to prove the wall actually exists and is not a hoax to get money?  Why can't the army of people be patrolling the south to prevent people from finding out the wall is not there?
Similarly about why not the south pole being the centre and the north pole is actually a ring with an ice wall?  What proof is there to tell me the opposite is not the truth?

[wRadion]

What do you try to say?

We (well at least I) have no proof of the existence (or not) of the "ice wall". So there may be a hole, a big facility, an ice wall, a lava river, we wouldn't know.

There are tons of pictures and videos of the round earth with just the north and south pole without anything, but eh, those are pictures and videos, so obviously they are fake.

[Ratboy]

What do you try to say?

We (well at least I) have no proof of the existence (or not) of the "ice wall". So there may be a hole, a big facility, an ice wall, a lava river, we wouldn't know.

There are tons of pictures and videos of the round earth with just the north and south pole without anything, but eh, those are pictures and videos, so obviously they are fake.

I guess I should try again.  If we base Flat Earth on Zetetic principles, we have as much evidence for a hoax of no ice wall as we do for an ice wall.  We have as much evidence for a south pole and north ice wall as we do for a north pole and south ice wall.
So if we are basing our beliefs on what we see, how do we choose between ice wall or no ice wall, south ice wall or north ice wall?  Why pick which thing we believe in if we cannot see any of these things?

[wRadion]

So if we are basing our beliefs on what we see, how do we choose between ice wall or no ice wall, south ice wall or north ice wall?  Why pick which thing we believe in if we cannot see any of these things?

That depends on your beliefs. You are free to believe anything.

• If you want to believe there is a north ice wall, so be it.
• If you want to believe there is a south ice wall, so be it.
• If you want to believe there is no ice wall, so be it.

For me for example, I believe that there is no ice wall anywhere because the earth is round => I believe the earth is round because everything I've learned and observed so far confirm the round earth theory in every way => The round earth theory does not include an ice wall anywhere => So I don't believe there is an ice wall.

You can believe that the earth is flat, it's your right. But you can not argue that using scientific facts, and that's the problem I have with most of flat-earthers today. They try to prove the earth is flat using false or vague scientific and physic facts. Most of the proofs are also explained using such argument as "well we don't know how it works today". But for the round earth, we know how it works. We know it works because everything is tested, and put into action. Satellites, rockets, airplanes, navigation works because we know the earth is round, spinning, orbiting the sun, etc...

Today, there are no proof of the ice wall (south or north). But there are proof of the non-existent ice wall (photographs and videos of the earth). You can believe those photographs and videos to be true, or fake, I don't care. The only "proof" we have for the ice wall is : "well of course we can't proof there is an ice wall, because it is guarded by thousands of ships". That argument does not work for me. It's exactly like saying : "right now, next to you, there is a huge invisible and immaterial dragon with an invisible immaterial unicorn on top. But I can not prove it to you, because it's invisible and immaterial."

You can think differently, that's your right. But if you want to debate with someone with your beliefs, either you say nothing (because there is not debate to have, you believe in it you believe in it, period - like religion), or you use actual facts to prove what you say.

I hope all of that is understandable. English is not my mother tongue, but I try to do my best .

[Ratboy]

You can believe what you want but I think it is good to be consistent in your beliefs.
What I said for clarity is that if you want to believe what you see and take a Zetetic approach, then that is your right to believe that.
If you want to believe what you see, you should not believe in an ice wall any more than you should believe the ice wall is a hoax carried out by NASA.  Why choose to believe in an ice wall you cannot see and believe in a conspiracy to prevent you from seeing it instead of believing in the ice wall being a hoax and you are prevented from seeing that it is not there?  Why believe in a north pole and a southern ice wall and not believe in a south pole and a northern ice wall?  Each of these options are equally ridiculous so why pick one over the other?
If you believe in what you can see, how can you chose between two equally wacky options?  Why not believe in Tom Bishop's flying pegasuses? They cannot be seen either.  Why believe the sun bounces up and down to make it look like it is not bouncing as it circles either the north or south pole? 
That is the point I am trying to make.  To be a Zetetic, how does one chose which thing to believe that you cannot see?

[wRadion]

To be a Zetetic, how does one chose which thing to believe that you cannot see?

You can't. Or just chose randomly or as you wish. That's what I was trying to say.