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« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2013, 06:49:15 PM »
My mom had a job. Having babies you cannot support with an abusive partner is always a good idea.
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« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2013, 06:53:22 PM »
Also amusing you somehow think an abusive relationship is a good environment to raise a child as long as mommy gets money
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« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2013, 06:54:14 PM »
My mom had a job.

Some do, some don't.  Staying at home as a parent is a valid and worthwhile choice.

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Having babies you cannot support with an abusive partner is always a good idea.

Leaving aside the obvious lack of compassion you are displaying here, perhaps you should consider that you do not always know a partner is abusive before things like pregnancy happen.  You should maybe have a think about how complicated these situations are before you paint them all with the same brush.

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« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2013, 06:55:06 PM »
Also amusing you somehow think an abusive relationship is a good environment to raise a child as long as mommy gets money

Not nearly as funny as how you read this in to my comments. 

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« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2013, 06:56:48 PM »
That's exactly what you're saying though...
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« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2013, 06:59:44 PM »
Oh yeah?  This should be good.  Where did I say that?

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« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2013, 07:14:19 PM »
If a stay at home mom is financially dependent on a man who abuses her that is justification for her raising a baby with him.
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« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2013, 07:18:01 PM »
Rama & I disagree on nearly everything, but I'm w/ him on this. Before anyone puts out a blanket statement re: women in a situation like this, ask, what if it was your sister or daughter?

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« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2013, 07:22:18 PM »
I don't think he said anything about it be just or no. He merely said, correctly, that a woman who is financially dependent & has a child might not know how to support herself by herself. That's why many women stay, even though they know they should leave.

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« Reply #29 on: December 10, 2013, 07:25:43 PM »
What I was saying was that it is not a straightforward decision to leave someone when they are the parent of your child and your source of money.  Emotionally or logistically.

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« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2013, 07:29:41 PM »
And it's also not as easy as just leaving. Sometimes the abuse is so psychological that they can't bring themselves to leave, are too scared the man will stalk/more severely hurt her if she does leave, or believe they deserve the abuse.

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« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2013, 07:31:35 PM »
And it's also not as easy as just leaving. Sometimes the abuse is so psychological that they can't bring themselves to leave, are too scared the man will stalk/more severely hurt her if she does leave, or believe they deserve the abuse.

Which is not helped by there being actual cases where women have left and were tracked down and killed.

http://www.safehavenshelter.org/what-keeps-women-in-abusive-relationships/

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« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2013, 07:55:59 PM »
What I was saying was that it is not a straightforward decision to leave someone when they are the parent of your child and your source of money.  Emotionally or logistically.

So that of what you were saying. okay.

And it's also not as easy as just leaving. Sometimes the abuse is so psychological that they can't bring themselves to leave, are too scared the man will stalk/more severely hurt her if she does leave, or believe they deserve the abuse.

Which is not helped by there being actual cases where women have left and were tracked down and killed.

http://www.safehavenshelter.org/what-keeps-women-in-abusive-relationships/

I can find a link that shows women have killed men too. :o



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« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2013, 08:23:37 PM »
Where did I say men had not been killed by women?  That is twice in this thread you have put words in my mouth.  Can you find me a link that shows that men's chance of being killed or severely injured goes up by 75% when they try to leave an abusive relationship?  Anyway, I pasted that link because it discusses the myriad reasons why people stay in abusive relationships.

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« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2013, 08:24:43 PM »
I agree with Rama on this.

But men do get abused in relationships and they often don't tell anyone because it's generally believed only women can be in an abusive and manipulative relationship.

It's not all one sided.

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« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2013, 08:31:55 PM »
I agree with Rama on this too. He has convinced me.
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« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2013, 08:36:01 PM »
I was just being a dick, but there are women who are abused, and just take it, because she "loves him". Then I start to lose a bit of sympathy.

By no means does this make it okay, however. Any man who abuses a woman deserve to be punished.
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« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2013, 08:43:39 PM »
I get where you are coming from, but it can be awfully hard to just give up on someone who you love especially since abusers are often in quite a bit of pain themself.

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« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2013, 09:00:38 PM »
Yeah, being in pain isn't an excuse to abuse. They should, in no circumstances, be made out to be the victim.  I know what you mean. It's a lose-lose situation, and it sucks, but of you make the choice to stay because you love that person, I can not feel sorry for you...
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« Reply #39 on: December 11, 2013, 12:06:38 AM »
That is your choice. I would urge you to be more compassionate. It usually makes more of a difference than apathy.