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Re: satellite hoax
« Reply #240 on: October 09, 2018, 08:02:49 PM »
I have a great idea to raise money for the Flat Earth Society.  You can view the KVH satellite communication advertisement video and then sue them for false advertising.  They clearly say that they have many different satellite communications vessel stations that can provide phone or internet to you while you are on your boat.  I would testify that I have used the KVH system on ships before and have used both the phone and internet services they advertise.  Of course if they really don't have a satellite system with all the geosynchronous satellites they claim, then they would be liable for a substantial fraud claim.  Additionally, the shipping company that I worked for was paying them about $ 9500 a month for the service.  I saw the bill when the system was first installed.  If there are no real satellites up there, that indicates fraud.
I agree that there is a lot of money to be made with proving a flat earth theory, but I assumed the main money would be in selling books etc.
I had not had the thought of the endless lawsuits this would cause. Gold mine.
Thanks RonJ

Edit: Put something for the wrong article here. Fixed
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Re: satellite hoax
« Reply #241 on: October 10, 2018, 05:46:43 PM »
Of course in order to win in court you would have to prove the non existence of the satellites.  Maybe the launch sites for the balloons and drone aircraft could be found.  I can attest that the KVH system does work well and from what I could see, each and every day, sure looked like a geosynchronous satellite.  The logistics and infrastructure required for such trickery should employ thousands. They seem to offer a good high speed internet connection and telephone service in the important shipping lanes in the Pacific Ocean.  Additionally the antenna pointing (azimuth and elevation) data perfectly mimics a satellite in each and every way.  I would really like to find out how they could keep those balloon and/or drones in a fixed spot day after day, month after month, year after year.  My hat is off the KVH.           

Re: satellite hoax
« Reply #242 on: October 10, 2018, 09:10:10 PM »
Don't believe that the GPS system is ground based.  While at sea you could be 1000 miles from the nearest land.  The GPS antennas are directional and we always point the antennas straight up when mounting them on the ship.  When doing this we are able to receive the signals from 3 or 4 of the many GPS satellites that are in orbit above the earth.  If the earth were flat, we could always see the same satellites on our whole trip, but this isn't the case.  Satellites come up over the horizon, provide us with our position data, and then go down into the horizon while another satellite takes it's place.  There is a whole satellite constellation out there for us.  If it were not the case, we would then have to resort to the old technology of the sextant, which we still carry aboard ship.  Even while using the sextant you have to believe in the spherical earth, or that system wouldn't work either.  All this comes from my every day work experience, not something that I read in a book, or saw on the internet.  If someone believes this is a hoax, please tell me.  I still have many friends at sea trying to make a living for themselves and their families.  They might need to know what the true facts are so to protect them from any potential danger.  I'm just a retired Merchant Marine officer and I sit at home now collecting a pension.

The dome is like molten glass. If one where to aim and bounce data off it from a specific location it bounces back to land or sea to a specific spot based on years of diagnostics of the angle of dangle. Happy engineering....
Satellite broadcasting involves receivers over a large accurately defined area which would not work with a bounce.

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Re: satellite hoax
« Reply #243 on: October 11, 2018, 01:35:28 AM »
Don't believe that the GPS system is ground based.  While at sea you could be 1000 miles from the nearest land.  The GPS antennas are directional and we always point the antennas straight up when mounting them on the ship.  When doing this we are able to receive the signals from 3 or 4 of the many GPS satellites that are in orbit above the earth.  If the earth were flat, we could always see the same satellites on our whole trip, but this isn't the case.  Satellites come up over the horizon, provide us with our position data, and then go down into the horizon while another satellite takes it's place.  There is a whole satellite constellation out there for us.  If it were not the case, we would then have to resort to the old technology of the sextant, which we still carry aboard ship.  Even while using the sextant you have to believe in the spherical earth, or that system wouldn't work either.  All this comes from my every day work experience, not something that I read in a book, or saw on the internet.  If someone believes this is a hoax, please tell me.  I still have many friends at sea trying to make a living for themselves and their families.  They might need to know what the true facts are so to protect them from any potential danger.  I'm just a retired Merchant Marine officer and I sit at home now collecting a pension.

The dome is like molten glass. If one where to aim and bounce data off it from a specific location it bounces back to land or sea to a specific spot based on years of diagnostics of the angle of dangle. Happy engineering....
Satellite broadcasting involves receivers over a large accurately defined area which would not work with a bounce.

We don't need or use these fake sats. Lets go over some info shall we? Stay tuned in here Marine Merchant since you've been at sea so long but have yet to mention "Loran" system that I know of in your 4 days here. Radio signals like Data bytes travel at the speed of light or better. 186,000 miles per SECOND. Did you get that? This will help you understand why operation "Fishbowl" was used. Understanding the dome because it is "Skywave", the ability for "Loran" to bounce data off the sky or dome and travel distances that are disclosed of at least 1,500 miles. With the tech today, I believe it's easily possible to bounce thousands and thousands of miles from ("master") stations in nanoseconds off repeater stations(slaves as Loran calls them) fixed or at sea. Line of sight on the Loran system is 400 to 700 miles..SAY WHAT? Yep..NO Curve Bozo's just read the facts. Today the Loran system has been upgraded numerous times and is what we all use. Towers baby...thats your sats unless you bounce off Gods molten glass dome. Deal with it ! You been fooled !

http://www.rfcafe.com/references/popular-electronics/radar-and-loran-july-1959-popular-electronics.htm
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Re: satellite hoax
« Reply #244 on: October 11, 2018, 04:42:49 AM »
I'm not sure where you are getting your info, but LORAN isn't used too much anymore, at least by the merchant marine.  On my last ship we did have a LORAN C receiver, but it had been shut off for the last 4 years I was aboard.  I have no objections with using LORAN and have done so on other vessels.  The accuracy was good.  GPS made LORAN unpopular and had become the preferred method of navigation.  The main objection to GPS is the ability of an enemy to jam or spoof it.  My understanding is that military ships carry LORAN in case of an attack  on the GPS system in an opening salvo of a major war.  I'm hoping that won't happen.  There are several other ways to transmit and receive data at sea.  I rode herd on 4 different satellite systems.  One gave me full internet and telephone service worldwide.  If you don't believe satellites are real, it really doesn't matter.  Data was coming in and going out, somehow.  That was the important thing.   My guess is that all the LORAN stations you mentioned have secret locations at sea.  If not I would be interested to find out where they are so we can make sure that they are navigational charts.  I wouldn't want to hit a tower with a 1000 foot ship and so any damage.   

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Re: satellite hoax
« Reply #245 on: October 11, 2018, 05:10:33 AM »
I wouldn't want to hit a tower with a 1000 foot ship and so any damage.

Just so you don’t slam into any towers.

Loran-C Coverage (2006):



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loran-C

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Re: satellite hoax
« Reply #246 on: October 11, 2018, 01:08:23 PM »
You said some of the loran stations were fixed and some where 'at sea'.  The diagrams you show had all the fixed stations.  We had publications on the ship that showed all that.  What I don't see is the repeater stations located 'at sea'.   I don't think we need to worry too much about hitting anything on an island. We use very accurate satellite based GPS.   

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Re: satellite hoax
« Reply #247 on: October 11, 2018, 02:29:49 PM »
You said some of the loran stations were fixed and some where 'at sea'.  The diagrams you show had all the fixed stations.  We had publications on the ship that showed all that.  What I don't see is the repeater stations located 'at sea'.   I don't think we need to worry too much about hitting anything on an island. We use very accurate satellite based GPS.

GPS is owned and Governed by the United States, same folks that stole 21 trillion recently and said so what, it's national security, you can't know what we did with it. They tell you that data comes from sats, it;s just another lie. Kinda like the moon landing in Hollywood. Or the 21 box cutter boys, or the most secure building in the world Pentagon doesn't have video of the missile hitting it? You love Disneyland and Pixie dust.
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Re: satellite hoax
« Reply #248 on: October 11, 2018, 03:30:05 PM »
I suppose that the US 'authorities' could be colluding with the Chinese, Russians, Japanese, and some other countries to keep all their sham GPS systems under wraps.  What they should do is parole Bernie Madoff and put him to work for the government.  It's a great lie, my hat is off to them.  All the technical data observed perfectly match what I would see if the information was actually coming from an object in orbit.  This occurs even on a moving object like a ship.  Data transit times are perfectly adjusted and always match the expected values.  Maybe I'll have to get back to all the physics teachers in high school, and all my former college engineering professors and tell them that they need to adjust their curriculum.  It really doesn't matter much. I can ignore what I've learned about physics.  We always got the emails we needed and could make the necessary phone calls.  The cargo got hauled and I got a paycheck.  That's all that counts. 

Re: satellite hoax
« Reply #249 on: October 11, 2018, 06:20:58 PM »
You said some of the loran stations were fixed and some where 'at sea'.  The diagrams you show had all the fixed stations.  We had publications on the ship that showed all that.  What I don't see is the repeater stations located 'at sea'.   I don't think we need to worry too much about hitting anything on an island. We use very accurate satellite based GPS.

GPS is owned and Governed by the United States, same folks that stole 21 trillion recently and said so what, it's national security, you can't know what we did with it. They tell you that data comes from sats, it;s just another lie. Kinda like the moon landing in Hollywood. Or the 21 box cutter boys, or the most secure building in the world Pentagon doesn't have video of the missile hitting it? You love Disneyland and Pixie dust.
Where are the 15 US and Russian transmitters that my receiver sees?