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Orbiting International Space Station visible from Telescope
« on: February 22, 2018, 04:52:28 AM »
Hi,

My father is an avid amateur astronomer who lives in Maryland and has really grown to love the hobby during his retirement.

He has since writen an article or two (one of them recently published in Astronomy magazine) regarding his favorite portion of astronomy which is exo-planets.

Whenever I have the chance to visit him, he enjoys showing me Saturn, the Moon, Mars, etc.. through his large backyard tracking telescope. The clarity of being able to see features, such as Saturns rings, is pretty amazing.

One of the coolest things we tracked that I saw from his telescope was the International Space Station orbiting Earth. His telescope was high powered enough that we could see the solar panels and center tube.

If Flat Earthers believe space travel is a hoax from NASA, but that we saw a clear ISS orbiting overhead from space, than space travel and man made item(s) orbiting the Earth are not a hoax.

I was wondering if any Flat Earthers have also seen the ISS orbiting via high-powered telescope. It's pretty cool and amazing to see this for yourselves.   
« Last Edit: February 22, 2018, 04:56:04 AM by BrownRobin »

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Re: Orbiting International Space Station visible from Telescope
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2018, 12:35:40 PM »
How do you know it was in orbit?

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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2018, 12:38:41 PM »
How do you know it was in orbit?

What else could or would it be doing?
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Re: Orbiting International Space Station visible from Telescope
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2018, 08:26:07 PM »
How do you know it was in orbit?


How do you know it wasn't in orbit?

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Re: Orbiting International Space Station visible from Telescope
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2018, 11:10:28 PM »
How do you know it was in orbit?


How do you know it wasn't in orbit?

I didn't claim it wasn't in orbit. I was questioning the claim that it was.

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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2018, 11:17:51 PM »
I didn't claim it wasn't in orbit. I was questioning the claim that it was.

What else could it be, other than in orbit? What other possibility fits with the available evidence?
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Re: Orbiting International Space Station visible from Telescope
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2018, 11:23:04 PM »
So when you say orbit do you mean its going round and around the world like the rings of Saturn?

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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2018, 11:26:02 PM »
So when you say orbit do you mean its going round and around the world like the rings of Saturn?

Is that addressed to the room, or to someone in particular?
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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2018, 11:31:21 PM »
So when you say orbit do you mean its going round and around the world like the rings of Saturn?

Is that addressed to the room, or to someone in particular?

To who's calling the station orbiting. Its hard to answer when one doesn't know what they refer to as an orbit.


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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2018, 11:33:41 PM »
Dictionary definition;

orbit
1.
the regularly repeated elliptical course of a celestial object or spacecraft about a star or planet. "the Earth's orbit around the sun"

That'll do it for me. The ISS is in orbit. Around the Earth. You can't have an orbit without an orb, globe or sphere to orbit around.

Do I need to define "orb", "globe" and "sphere" now ...? Or "Earth"?
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Re: Orbiting International Space Station visible from Telescope
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2018, 11:44:25 PM »
This is why I ask.
If you think the satellites are flying around the earth like the rings of Saturn then I have a big surprise for you.
They travel west to east in giant wave formation.
None go over the poles.

I know you don't trust me with just my word so see for your self.

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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2018, 11:47:35 PM »
If you think the satellites are flying around the earth like the rings of Saturn then I have a big surprise for you.

.. but I didn't say anything about the rings of Saturn. Only you did.

And I didn't refer to multiple satellites, either. I referred to the ISS. 
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« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2018, 12:03:13 AM »
If you think the satellites are flying around the earth like the rings of Saturn then I have a big surprise for you.

.. but I didn't say anything about the rings of Saturn. Only you did.

And I didn't refer to multiple satellites, either. I referred to the ISS.

Just click on the link and watch the international space station then.

Ask people how they think the ISS orbits.
Almost everyone would say like the rings of Saturn, they would not use that wording but the description they would give would be similar to those same movements.
I don't think to many know they move in waves avoiding the poles altogether
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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2018, 12:09:01 AM »
You seem to be trying to contradict something I didn't say in the first place. I didn't say the ISS went over the poles. I said it's in orbit.

What do your 'waves' look like if you trace them out on an educational globe model? Have you tried that?
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« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2018, 12:25:14 AM »

The ISS is up there and it is moving or we are, that's unquestionable.

My point is the ISS is in an obit but not the orbit people think.
If you go into the link you can track every one of the metal objects flying around and I can't find one that goes in a straight line or one going over a pole north or south.

I have not laid then over and sketched them out but that would be a great idea.
ISS be the best one to do because the issue is there are just under 20000 of them.

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« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2018, 12:37:48 AM »
Why are you so fixated on them going over a pole?  And they only appear to travel in waves because that is their 3D elliptical path around the earth projected on to a 2D surface.
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« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2018, 12:49:28 AM »
Why are you so fixated on them going over a pole?  And they only appear to travel in waves because that is their 3D elliptical path around the earth projected on to a 2D surface.

To have absolute proof that they can.
Right now I don't think they can because they don't.
If they don't then why?
And a FE answers that question why.

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« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2018, 01:32:10 AM »
My point is the ISS is in an obit but not the orbit people think.
If you go into the link you can track every one of the metal objects flying around and I can't find one that goes in a straight line or one going over a pole north or south.

Yeah, but..... so what?
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Re: Orbiting International Space Station visible from Telescope
« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2018, 02:17:07 AM »
Why are you so fixated on them going over a pole?  And they only appear to travel in waves because that is their 3D elliptical path around the earth projected on to a 2D surface.

To have absolute proof that they can.
Right now I don't think they can because they don't.
If they don't then why?
And a FE answers that question why.

What theory allows an object to orbit a flat plane?

And SpaceX literally just launched a satellite into an orbit around the poles today.
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Re: Orbiting International Space Station visible from Telescope
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2018, 04:07:23 AM »
And SpaceX literally just launched a satellite into an orbit around the poles today.

That is great news. Give us its NORAD ID so we can track it.