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« on: December 15, 2017, 08:24:14 PM »
I came across an old friends profile on Facebook. Turns out he is a Flat Earth believer. I had no clue this was a thing and it raised my curiosity.

1. Earth isn't a planet? According to dictionary.com, a planet is: "any of the eight large heavenly bodies revolving about the sun and shining by reflected light: Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, or Neptune, in the order of their proximity to the sun". So, if English literature dictates Earth being a planet, does this mean the English language is also a part of this "cover up"? I keep seeing the argument that Earth is "special". This is very biased. Every planet within our solar system is special and serves a purpose. (side note: gas giants are absolutely superb and mind-blowing in my personal opinion; far more spectacular than Earth).

2. What would happen, on a flat Earth, if one were to dig all the way to the "bottom" of the planet?

3. If Antarctica is not at the south pole of planet Earth and does indeed create an ice wall around the edges of a flat Earth, how do they retain their frozen state? They would constantly melt and refreeze but would not hold their "wall" form.

4. What about Felix Baumgartner, the man who sky dived from the stratosphere? Was this faked as well? In the video of him inside of the vessel, you can see that the Earth is round.
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Re: New newbie
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2017, 10:38:25 PM »
Very good questions, I'm new here myself and would love to see the explanations. 

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Online Pete Svarrior

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Re: New newbie
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2017, 12:57:11 PM »
1. Earth isn't a planet? According to dictionary.com, a planet is: "any of the eight large heavenly bodies revolving about the sun and shining by reflected light: Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, or Neptune, in the order of their proximity to the sun". So, if English literature dictates Earth being a planet, does this mean the English language is also a part of this "cover up"? I keep seeing the argument that Earth is "special". This is very biased. Every planet within our solar system is special and serves a purpose. (side note: gas giants are absolutely superb and mind-blowing in my personal opinion; far more spectacular than Earth).
Short answer: No, dictionaries are not part of a cover-up. You're just using them wrong.

Long answer: Your question reveals a misunderstanding of the task lexicographers are trying to accomplish. A dictionary is a collection of words and definitions of words as they are used in living language. As such, a dictionary or "English literature" does not dictate anything. Rather, it represents a subsection of human thought.

These two videos from Merriam-Webster may prove interesting:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/video/how-a-word-gets-into-the-dictionary
https://www.merriam-webster.com/video/irregardless

If you examine Oxford's definition of a planet (A celestial body moving in an elliptical orbit round a star.), then the flat Earth is not a planet. It is not orbiting around a star. But, interestingly, you might notice that this definition imposes no expectations of shape, or size. If dictionary definitions were in any way authoritative, we'd have to revisit the idea that Pluto is a planet.

Dictionaries are here to allow us to quickly get an idea of what a word means, not to dictate or codify a meaning. Personally, I like Longman's definition (a very large round object in space that moves around the Sun or another star). Since the Earth is not a round object, and since it does not move around the Sun or another star, it is not a planet.

2. What would happen, on a flat Earth, if one were to dig all the way to the "bottom" of the planet?
Hypothetically, digging down would eventually cause you to reach the partly-molten mantle and molten layer of the Earth (heated up through the immense energy losses of Universal Acceleration). What lies beyond that layer is most likely completely inaccessible to mankind.

3. If Antarctica is not at the south pole of planet Earth and does indeed create an ice wall around the edges of a flat Earth, how do they retain their frozen state?
If you read our FAQ, you'll notice that the Ice Wall doesn't receive particularly much sunlight. It stays frozen for the same reasons it would on a round Earth - it's cold out there.

4. What about Felix Baumgartner, the man who sky dived from the stratosphere? Was this faked as well? In the video of him inside of the vessel, you can see that the Earth is round.
You can see that the Earth is egg-shaped, that the shape constantly changes, and that the Earth is tiny. This is because his jump was filmed through a wide angle lens. Again, no conspiracy, you're just looking at photographs taken with a lens that doesn't closely match the human eye.
Read the FAQ before asking your question - chances are we already addressed it.
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Re: New newbie
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2017, 04:23:10 PM »
Thanks for answering all of my questions, Pete!