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« on: November 29, 2017, 09:36:17 AM »
How do you explain objects burning up in orbit on a FET model? All the information I've read doesn't mention an atmosphere. Just says everything that goes up, come back down straight away.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-41973646

Should be a good sight in the night sky when they start to burn up.

I think eventually they will have to start enforcing the rule about satellites burning up after 25 years or at the end of the mission. 


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Re: Space Junk
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2017, 12:57:31 PM »
The real question is, how has there never ever, I mean never ever been even ONE photograph of a satellite or space junk? Simple it's all fake, an illusion for you to swallow.
Even popular science rag says oh yeah you can see em with the naked eye but not one satellite has never ever, I mean never ever photographed one.

People have their heads buried so deep in the sand, it's effected their reasoning power.

NEVER EVER......that's a long time !

"there are enough large satellites orbiting the Earth that you should be able to spot at least a few. All you have to do is look up."

https://www.popsci.com/space-junk-why-cant-we-see-satellites-in-images-earth
What kind of person would devote endless hours posting scientific facts trying to correct the few retards who believe in the FE? I slay shitty little demons.

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Re: Space Junk
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2017, 01:35:42 PM »
The real question is, how has there never ever, I mean never ever been even ONE photograph of a satellite or space junk? Simple it's all fake, an illusion for you to swallow.
Even popular science rag says oh yeah you can see em with the naked eye but not one satellite has never ever, I mean never ever photographed one.

People have their heads buried so deep in the sand, it's effected their reasoning power.

NEVER EVER......that's a long time !

"there are enough large satellites orbiting the Earth that you should be able to spot at least a few. All you have to do is look up."

https://www.popsci.com/space-junk-why-cant-we-see-satellites-in-images-earth

Sorry I would absolutely and completely refute this! Since the first Sputnik launch I have been interested as a layman in space exploration generally, and way before that since about 5 years old have had a telescope to watch the sky. Over the years, I  have occasionally bought bigger and better telescopes and at the moment have an 8" reflector that enables me to see craters on the moon in great detail, the rings and moons of Saturn, the marks on Jupiter etc etc. I have also on too many occasions to remember, been out on a clear night to see how many satellites I can see going across the sky with the naked eye, usually several over a matter of only 30 mins or so. I have also seen Iridium Flares which are the reflection of the Suns light from the solar panels of Iridium satellites. There are plenty of charts on line to tell you where and at what time you can see them happening. If you are bothered, you can also easily find which satellites you are seeing as they are all at given times and positions to see them, on amateur enthusiast sites. Many of those sites will also have photos of satellite transits, Iridium flares etc taken by enthusiasts. I've never bothered as they are so common and easy to see that I am not interested in taking a photo of a point of light any more than I am of a bird flying past (they are real by the way ;) ). I have though a few months ago, set up my telescope and had a clear view of the ISS on its predicted path over my home. It was very small in the viewfinder, but big enough to see the distinctive shape as it passed over in about 5 minutes.

I am quite aware that you are not the slightest bit interested in my personal experiences and observations but let me quote you 'People have their heads buried so deep in the sand, it's effected their reasoning power.' I completely agree with you here but unfortunately it only relates to the FE folks on this forum and elsewhere.

Let me quote you again 'Simple it's all fake, an illusion for you to swallow.'  Sadly I am beginning to think that the so called FE believers are all fake and an illusion, mainly trolls, alts and folks having a laugh, making ridiculous nonsensical statements and even making or copying fake videos to try to debunk real life. Apart from Tom, who loves the discussion but offers unsupportable 'evidence', there is nobody on this forum able to enter sensible debate with genuine evidence to back up their arguments for FET. Like Tom, I find it fascinating to see some of the nonsense written here and also like Tom and probably yourself, enjoy the comedy  ;D

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Re: Space Junk
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2017, 01:43:58 PM »
Thanks for playing our new roger. Guess what? There is a globe in every school room in the world almost, does that or your 8"er make it real? No

You have yet to supply even one photo from the ISS or a passing satellite of another satellite or space junk but again, thanks for playing !

NEVER EVER
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What kind of person would devote endless hours posting scientific facts trying to correct the few retards who believe in the FE? I slay shitty little demons.

Re: Space Junk
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2017, 01:55:30 PM »
The real question is, how has there never ever, I mean never ever been even ONE photograph of a satellite or space junk? Simple it's all fake, an illusion for you to swallow.
Even popular science rag says oh yeah you can see em with the naked eye but not one satellite has never ever, I mean never ever photographed one.

People have their heads buried so deep in the sand, it's effected their reasoning power.

NEVER EVER......that's a long time !

"there are enough large satellites orbiting the Earth that you should be able to spot at least a few. All you have to do is look up."

https://www.popsci.com/space-junk-why-cant-we-see-satellites-in-images-earth
Sooo, are you asking for images taken of a sat from Earth? Because most of those will simply be the bright dots they are in the sky. With the exception of the ISS they can be hard to make out. Remember when looking at that image the ISS is about 3 times the size of any other large object up there, and has the benefit of being back-lit by the sun for this image.

Or are you looking for images of other sats taken from something orbiting? Like this one of a pair of smaller sats taken from the ISS?

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Re: Space Junk
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2017, 02:11:24 PM »
Thanks for playing our new roger. Guess what? There is a globe in every school room in the world almost, does that or your 8"er make it real? No

You have yet to supply even one photo from the ISS or a passing satellite of another satellite or space junk but again, thanks for playing !

NEVER EVER

Are you saying that every photo ever taken has been subjected to testing to prove it fake? Or are they all dismissed based on a belief?

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Re: Space Junk
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2017, 02:24:05 PM »
Thanks for playing our new roger. Guess what? There is a globe in every school room in the world almost, does that or your 8"er make it real? No

You have yet to supply even one photo from the ISS or a passing satellite of another satellite or space junk but again, thanks for playing !

NEVER EVER
I'm enjoying playing the game, thank you  :)

Of course my life experiences and viewings are absolute empirical evidence for me and millions of others, but there is absolutely no need for me to supply you with photos which you would immediately dismiss. My own observations are not drawn from globes in classrooms, they are from my practical use of my telescopes, my sailing and navigation  experiences and the same with my flying and airborne navigation all gathered over decades.

Perhaps I could ask why you feel that a globe in every classroom is some form of brainwashing, but a Bible or Quoran is not? Should one be fanatically believed but not necessarily the other? A globe is based on observation and scientific experiment over hundreds even thousands of years, backed up by millions of people's current personal observations. Both the Holy books and those from other religions are based on hand me down and translated stories and fables distorted over centuries and not backed up by current personal experiences and observations. Are we to take those stories as literal and not the evidence of our own eyes and senses? Where is the evidence to support them? I have had far more years of religious instruction over the years than global theory, but in both areas I look, listen and draw my own conclusions, reasoned though!

The evidence I have personally seen of objects orbiting and breaking up on re-entry confirms what I read in technical articles about space junk and the pictures taken from the ISS etc.

Continue playing the game, it is enjoyable :)

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Re: Space Junk
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2017, 02:28:01 PM »
The real question is, how has there never ever, I mean never ever been even ONE photograph of a satellite or space junk? Simple it's all fake, an illusion for you to swallow.
Even popular science rag says oh yeah you can see em with the naked eye but not one satellite has never ever, I mean never ever photographed one.

People have their heads buried so deep in the sand, it's effected their reasoning power.

NEVER EVER......that's a long time !

"there are enough large satellites orbiting the Earth that you should be able to spot at least a few. All you have to do is look up."

https://www.popsci.com/space-junk-why-cant-we-see-satellites-in-images-earth
Sooo, are you asking for images taken of a sat from Earth? Because most of those will simply be the bright dots they are in the sky. With the exception of the ISS they can be hard to make out. Remember when looking at that image the ISS is about 3 times the size of any other large object up there, and has the benefit of being back-lit by the sun for this image.

Or are you looking for images of other sats taken from something orbiting? Like this one of a pair of smaller sats taken from the ISS?

OMG I can't stop laughing squirrel. Those two silver thingys pasted on a CGI fake pic of the earth. he he

You should be banned for this, I may pee my pants. Hilarious !!!
What kind of person would devote endless hours posting scientific facts trying to correct the few retards who believe in the FE? I slay shitty little demons.

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Re: Space Junk
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2017, 02:33:32 PM »
If its so easy to produce fake photos and videos of a globe then why in history photography has no ever made one of a flat earth?

You can't simply say "oh thats just CGI" where is your proof?


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Re: Space Junk
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2017, 08:43:37 PM »
The real question is, how has there never ever, I mean never ever been even ONE photograph of a satellite or space junk? Simple it's all fake, an illusion for you to swallow.
Even popular science rag says oh yeah you can see em with the naked eye but not one satellite has never ever, I mean never ever photographed one.

People have their heads buried so deep in the sand, it's effected their reasoning power.

NEVER EVER......that's a long time !

"there are enough large satellites orbiting the Earth that you should be able to spot at least a few. All you have to do is look up."

https://www.popsci.com/space-junk-why-cant-we-see-satellites-in-images-earth
Sooo, are you asking for images taken of a sat from Earth? Because most of those will simply be the bright dots they are in the sky. With the exception of the ISS they can be hard to make out. Remember when looking at that image the ISS is about 3 times the size of any other large object up there, and has the benefit of being back-lit by the sun for this image.

Or are you looking for images of other sats taken from something orbiting? Like this one of a pair of smaller sats taken from the ISS?

OMG I can't stop laughing squirrel. Those two silver thingys pasted on a CGI fake pic of the earth. he he

You should be banned for this, I may pee my pants. Hilarious !!!

 You go J - Man!!


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Re: Space Junk
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2017, 12:59:28 AM »
The real question is, how has there never ever, I mean never ever been even ONE photograph of a satellite or space junk? Simple it's all fake, an illusion for you to swallow.
Even popular science rag says oh yeah you can see em with the naked eye but not one satellite has never ever, I mean never ever photographed one.

People have their heads buried so deep in the sand, it's effected their reasoning power.

NEVER EVER......that's a long time !

"there are enough large satellites orbiting the Earth that you should be able to spot at least a few. All you have to do is look up."

https://www.popsci.com/space-junk-why-cant-we-see-satellites-in-images-earth
Sooo, are you asking for images taken of a sat from Earth? Because most of those will simply be the bright dots they are in the sky. With the exception of the ISS they can be hard to make out. Remember when looking at that image the ISS is about 3 times the size of any other large object up there, and has the benefit of being back-lit by the sun for this image.

Or are you looking for images of other sats taken from something orbiting? Like this one of a pair of smaller sats taken from the ISS?

OMG I can't stop laughing squirrel. Those two silver thingys pasted on a CGI fake pic of the earth. he he

You should be banned for this, I may pee my pants. Hilarious !!!

Is this not a low content post? You haven't actually shown your evidence that these are fake, CGI pictures. Yet, when we ask for real pictures of the entire or majority of the flat earth, you have none.
This end should point toward the ground if you want to go to space. If it starts pointing toward space you are having a bad problem and you will not go to space today.

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Re: Space Junk
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2017, 04:36:32 AM »
Is this not a low content post?

It is, and the user is currently banned for repeat offenses (as is visible in the public ban list).

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« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2017, 03:13:58 PM »
Is this not a low content post?

It is, and the user is currently banned for repeat offenses (as is visible in the public ban list).

Thank you. Good to see that.
This end should point toward the ground if you want to go to space. If it starts pointing toward space you are having a bad problem and you will not go to space today.

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Re: Space Junk
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2017, 10:02:49 PM »
They use mirrors to make it seem round.  Huge conspiracy as old as Human travel.  If they can convince us it is round, they can debunk religions.

You are making it sound like majority of people do not believe that Earth if round. Do you think there are more people believing Earth is flat for Earth is round? If you believe that there are more people believing Earth is flat, then why does this site exist as this site is trying to persuade people to believe that Earth is flat.

Also how does mirror make something round. When I look into mirror, I don't see myself rounded up. Can you explain how this work?

By the way, how does Earth being round debunk religion?
Why believe in Flat Earth theory when there is so much evidence supporting Round Earth?

Flat Earth map cannot exist

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Re: Space Junk
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2017, 12:00:23 AM »
You are asking the right questions.  If you follow them to conclusion the evidence will be apparent.  Round earth theories tell you in essence no matter how far you go, you will end up in the same place.  We Flat Earthers prefer not to ignore to next frontier.  As far as satellites, they are there.  No argument.  Simply, I understand that are small solar powered machines perpetually in flight to provide us with GPS, data, etc.  It's easy to plan their flight paths around the sun and moon.  There is no need to explain things burning up as they fall.  I think they call it friction.  I think if you keep asking these hard questions you will be happy with the final result.  Best of luck.

I don't think I understand what you are saying. What do you mean by "no matter how far you go, you will end up in the same place". I am guessing that you mean that because Earth is round, you come back to the same place if you go one direction enough.

What exactly are you referring to when you said "next frontier"? Are you saying that (in Flat Earth model) there are more lands after the ice wall? Do you have any evidence for this or is this just a guess.

At what altitude do satellites travel and how fast do they travel? I think this is a basic question anyone will ask. Can you answer that?

Also you hadn't answered about how can the mirror make Earth to be perceived as round.
Why believe in Flat Earth theory when there is so much evidence supporting Round Earth?

Flat Earth map cannot exist

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Re: Space Junk
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2017, 01:11:02 PM »
If you look at Evil1's other posts you will find that he never answers questions regarding his ridiculous claims because there are no possible ways he can. He is clearly trolling for his own amusement and putting in as many stupid posts as he can.

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« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2017, 03:20:13 PM »
If you look at Evil1's other posts you will find that he never answers questions regarding his ridiculous claims because there are no possible ways he can. He is clearly trolling for his own amusement and putting in as many stupid posts as he can.

Roger

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Re: Space Junk
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2017, 07:27:39 PM »
Is this not a low content post?
It is, and the user is currently banned for repeat offenses (as is visible in the public ban list).

Impressive...

Anyways, I would say that it does not add to someone's credibility when they say that something NEVER EVER has happened, and then dismiss all evidence otherwise. As soon as I started reading this and the guy said, how come no space junk has ever been photographed... I was reminded about this from 5+ years ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Knight_satellite_conspiracy_theory
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