[Mark_1984]

It's well established that the earth's magnetic field 'flips' every few hundred thousand years.  Scientists have developed a computer model that explains explains the earths magnetic field being generated by a solid core causing turbulence in a molten outer core, which generates electric currents that in turn generate the magnetic field.  This is the same physics that allow generators to work (I'm an electrical design engineer, so you're gonna have to trust me on that one !) The same model predicts the the field flipping.  Obviously, this model works for a spherical spinning earth, and wouldn't work on a flat earth.  How does the fact earth theory explain how the earth's magnetic field is generated, and how it 'flips' periodically.

[ScaryGary]

It's well established that the earth's magnetic field 'flips' every few hundred thousand years.  Scientists have developed a computer model that explains explains the earths magnetic field being generated by a solid core causing turbulence in a molten outer core, which generates electric currents that in turn generate the magnetic field.  This is the same physics that allow generators to work (I'm an electrical design engineer, so you're gonna have to trust me on that one !) The same model predicts the the field flipping.  Obviously, this model works for a spherical spinning earth, and wouldn't work on a flat earth.  How does the fact earth theory explain how the earth's magnetic field is generated, and how it 'flips' periodically.

Hi Mark,

That is cool you are an electrical engineer.  I myself am a mechanical engineer (licensed PE) and am also trying to get licensed as a licensed power engineer (PE).  Anyways, I am wondering what proof you have there is an outer core.  If the ball earth is close to 8,000 miles in diameter and the furthest dig was done by the Russians over a 20 year period to a depth of 7.5 miles (they tried to go further for another ten years but were unsuccessful)....how can we be so sure there is an outer core?  How can we be sure there is anything other than the initial 7.5 miles?  If your answer is because science says so and because there are pictures showing the earth as a ball with different layers - that is not good enough for me.  As an electrical engineer you may be interested in learning about Tesla and his view on the earth. 

Regards,
Gary

[StinkyOne]

It's well established that the earth's magnetic field 'flips' every few hundred thousand years.  Scientists have developed a computer model that explains explains the earths magnetic field being generated by a solid core causing turbulence in a molten outer core, which generates electric currents that in turn generate the magnetic field.  This is the same physics that allow generators to work (I'm an electrical design engineer, so you're gonna have to trust me on that one !) The same model predicts the the field flipping.  Obviously, this model works for a spherical spinning earth, and wouldn't work on a flat earth.  How does the fact earth theory explain how the earth's magnetic field is generated, and how it 'flips' periodically.

Hi Mark,

That is cool you are an electrical engineer.  I myself am a mechanical engineer (licensed PE) and am also trying to get licensed as a licensed power engineer (PE).  Anyways, I am wondering what proof you have there is an outer core.  If the ball earth is close to 8,000 miles and the furthest dig was done by the Russians over a 20 year period to a depth of 7.5 miles (they tried to go further for another ten years but were unsuccessful)....how can we be so sure there is an outer core?  How can we be sure there is anything other than the initial 7.5 miles?  If your answer is because science says so and because there are pictures showing the earth as a ball with different layers - that is not good enough for me.  As an electrical engineer you may be interested in learning about Tesla and his view on the earth. 

Regards,
Gary

You probably already know this, but it has been determined by seismic waves. Your acceptance of science is irrelevant. The irony is you only question the things you don't agree with.

[ScaryGary]

It's well established that the earth's magnetic field 'flips' every few hundred thousand years.  Scientists have developed a computer model that explains explains the earths magnetic field being generated by a solid core causing turbulence in a molten outer core, which generates electric currents that in turn generate the magnetic field.  This is the same physics that allow generators to work (I'm an electrical design engineer, so you're gonna have to trust me on that one !) The same model predicts the the field flipping.  Obviously, this model works for a spherical spinning earth, and wouldn't work on a flat earth.  How does the fact earth theory explain how the earth's magnetic field is generated, and how it 'flips' periodically.

Hi Mark,

That is cool you are an electrical engineer.  I myself am a mechanical engineer (licensed PE) and am also trying to get licensed as a licensed power engineer (PE).  Anyways, I am wondering what proof you have there is an outer core.  If the ball earth is close to 8,000 miles and the furthest dig was done by the Russians over a 20 year period to a depth of 7.5 miles (they tried to go further for another ten years but were unsuccessful)....how can we be so sure there is an outer core?  How can we be sure there is anything other than the initial 7.5 miles?  If your answer is because science says so and because there are pictures showing the earth as a ball with different layers - that is not good enough for me.  As an electrical engineer you may be interested in learning about Tesla and his view on the earth. 

Regards,
Gary

You probably already know this, but it has been determined by seismic waves. Your acceptance of science is irrelevant. The irony is you only question the things you don't agree with.

Did you prove it through seismic waves or are you taking someone else's word for it?  If you are taking someone else's word for it - again that is not good enough for me....next!

[StinkyOne]

It's well established that the earth's magnetic field 'flips' every few hundred thousand years.  Scientists have developed a computer model that explains explains the earths magnetic field being generated by a solid core causing turbulence in a molten outer core, which generates electric currents that in turn generate the magnetic field.  This is the same physics that allow generators to work (I'm an electrical design engineer, so you're gonna have to trust me on that one !) The same model predicts the the field flipping.  Obviously, this model works for a spherical spinning earth, and wouldn't work on a flat earth.  How does the fact earth theory explain how the earth's magnetic field is generated, and how it 'flips' periodically.

Hi Mark,

That is cool you are an electrical engineer.  I myself am a mechanical engineer (licensed PE) and am also trying to get licensed as a licensed power engineer (PE).  Anyways, I am wondering what proof you have there is an outer core.  If the ball earth is close to 8,000 miles and the furthest dig was done by the Russians over a 20 year period to a depth of 7.5 miles (they tried to go further for another ten years but were unsuccessful)....how can we be so sure there is an outer core?  How can we be sure there is anything other than the initial 7.5 miles?  If your answer is because science says so and because there are pictures showing the earth as a ball with different layers - that is not good enough for me.  As an electrical engineer you may be interested in learning about Tesla and his view on the earth. 

Regards,
Gary

You probably already know this, but it has been determined by seismic waves. Your acceptance of science is irrelevant. The irony is you only question the things you don't agree with.

Did you prove it through seismic waves or are you taking someone else's word for it?  If you are taking someone else's word for it - again that is not good enough for me....next!

LOL - I couldn't care less about what is good enough for you. As an engineer, you use the work of those who came before you all the time. If we didn't, we would never advance as a species. What experiments have you done that prove the Earth flat?? Wait, actually, don't waste your time telling me. It won't be good enough for me because you have a preconceived notion that the Earth is flat and your work hasn't been peer-reviewed.

[ScaryGary]

It's well established that the earth's magnetic field 'flips' every few hundred thousand years.  Scientists have developed a computer model that explains explains the earths magnetic field being generated by a solid core causing turbulence in a molten outer core, which generates electric currents that in turn generate the magnetic field.  This is the same physics that allow generators to work (I'm an electrical design engineer, so you're gonna have to trust me on that one !) The same model predicts the the field flipping.  Obviously, this model works for a spherical spinning earth, and wouldn't work on a flat earth.  How does the fact earth theory explain how the earth's magnetic field is generated, and how it 'flips' periodically.

Hi Mark,

That is cool you are an electrical engineer.  I myself am a mechanical engineer (licensed PE) and am also trying to get licensed as a licensed power engineer (PE).  Anyways, I am wondering what proof you have there is an outer core.  If the ball earth is close to 8,000 miles and the furthest dig was done by the Russians over a 20 year period to a depth of 7.5 miles (they tried to go further for another ten years but were unsuccessful)....how can we be so sure there is an outer core?  How can we be sure there is anything other than the initial 7.5 miles?  If your answer is because science says so and because there are pictures showing the earth as a ball with different layers - that is not good enough for me.  As an electrical engineer you may be interested in learning about Tesla and his view on the earth. 

Regards,
Gary

You probably already know this, but it has been determined by seismic waves. Your acceptance of science is irrelevant. The irony is you only question the things you don't agree with.

Did you prove it through seismic waves or are you taking someone else's word for it?  If you are taking someone else's word for it - again that is not good enough for me....next!

LOL - I couldn't care less about what is good enough for you. As an engineer, you use the work of those who came before you all the time. If we didn't, we would never advance as a species. What experiments have you done that prove the Earth flat?? Wait, actually, don't waste your time telling me. It won't be good enough for me because you have a preconceived notion that the Earth is flat and your work hasn't been peer-reviewed.

I'm not making large claims such as what the 8000 mile diameter earth contains.  If such a claim is made I'd expect more definitive proof other than seismic mapping. 

[Mark_1984]

There is no proof that there is a molten outer core, nor a solid inner core for that matter.  The structure of the earth is a theory that is supported by observable facts.  E.g.  Seismic surveys, the behaviour of the magnetic field, volcanic activity, tectonic plate movement, and so on.  Theories change as our understanding of the planet gets better and technology improves.  40 years ago we believed the earth had a molten inner core and a solid outer core. 

Anyway, I digress.  The question I posed was how does the flat earth theory explain how the magnetic field of the earth flips ?

[ScaryGary]

There is no proof that there is a molten outer core, nor a solid inner core for that matter.  The structure of the earth is a theory that is supported by observable facts.  E.g.  Seismic surveys, the behaviour of the magnetic field, volcanic activity, tectonic plate movement, and so on.  Theories change as our understanding of the planet gets better and technology improves.  40 years ago we believed the earth had a molten inner core and a solid outer core. 

Anyway, I digress.  The question I posed was how does the flat earth theory explain how the magnetic field of the earth flips ?

The magnetic field might not flip - look at the data and judge for yourself if we can determine what occurred 100,000's of years ago.  Think of this statement provided by NASA regarding pole reversal: "Earth has settled in the last 20 million years into a pattern of a pole reversal about every 200,000 to 300,000 years, although it has been more than twice that long since the last reversal. A reversal happens over hundreds or thousands of years, and it is not exactly a clean back flip."  The numbers in this statement are astronomical when considering the life span of a typical human (let's say 100 years).  How can any information in that statement truly be proven?  If you say because science says so - that is not good enough for me.  The fact that those numbers are that huge explains there is no real proof of this occurrence. 

[StinkyOne]

There is no proof that there is a molten outer core, nor a solid inner core for that matter.  The structure of the earth is a theory that is supported by observable facts.  E.g.  Seismic surveys, the behaviour of the magnetic field, volcanic activity, tectonic plate movement, and so on.  Theories change as our understanding of the planet gets better and technology improves.  40 years ago we believed the earth had a molten inner core and a solid outer core. 

Anyway, I digress.  The question I posed was how does the flat earth theory explain how the magnetic field of the earth flips ?

The magnetic field might not flip - look at the data and judge for yourself if we can determine was occurred 100,000's of years ago.  Think of this statement provided by NASA regarding pole reversal: "Earth has settled in the last 20 million years into a pattern of a pole reversal about every 200,000 to 300,000 years, although it has been more than twice that long since the last reversal. A reversal happens over hundreds or thousands of years, and it is not exactly a clean back flip."  The numbers in this statement are astronomical when considering the life span of a typical human (let's say 100 years).  How can any information in that statement truly be proven?  If you say because science says so - that is not good enough for me.  The fact that those numbers are that huge explains there is no real proof of this occurrence.

If you continue reading the article it tells you how they determined the fields have flipped. Don't believe them, go take a core from a dried lava field of sufficient age and figure it out for yourself.

[ScaryGary]

There is no proof that there is a molten outer core, nor a solid inner core for that matter.  The structure of the earth is a theory that is supported by observable facts.  E.g.  Seismic surveys, the behaviour of the magnetic field, volcanic activity, tectonic plate movement, and so on.  Theories change as our understanding of the planet gets better and technology improves.  40 years ago we believed the earth had a molten inner core and a solid outer core. 

Anyway, I digress.  The question I posed was how does the flat earth theory explain how the magnetic field of the earth flips ?

The magnetic field might not flip - look at the data and judge for yourself if we can determine was occurred 100,000's of years ago.  Think of this statement provided by NASA regarding pole reversal: "Earth has settled in the last 20 million years into a pattern of a pole reversal about every 200,000 to 300,000 years, although it has been more than twice that long since the last reversal. A reversal happens over hundreds or thousands of years, and it is not exactly a clean back flip."  The numbers in this statement are astronomical when considering the life span of a typical human (let's say 100 years).  How can any information in that statement truly be proven?  If you say because science says so - that is not good enough for me.  The fact that those numbers are that huge explains there is no real proof of this occurrence.

If you continue reading the article it tells you how they determined the fields have flipped. Don't believe them, go take a core from a dried lava field of sufficient age and figure it out for yourself.

I don't need to continue reading the article because I know things occurring in even over 3,000 years cannot be proven.  They are claiming every 200,000 to 300,000 years.  Why progress further?

[Mark_1984]

Frankly, saying something doesn't happen because it happens over a long time period isn't a valid reason for refuting it.  Just because it isn't good enough for you doesn't make it wrong.  It would be easier to hold a logical debate if you would actually counter an argument rather than just saying "It's not good enough.... next" or "that happened thousands of years ago, so I don't think it really happened."

From National Geographic, https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0927_040927_field_flip.html (Not some crackpot web site !)

"Our planet's magnetic field reverses about once every 200,000 years on average. However, the time between reversals is highly variable. The last time Earth's magnetic field flipped was 780,000 years ago, according to the geologic record of Earth's polarity.
The information is captured when molten lava erupts onto Earth's crust and hardens, much in the way that iron filings on a piece of cardboard align themselves to the field of a magnet held beneath it."

The phenomena is generally accepted, and we know that the magnetic field does move around.  Magnetic North moves about 40 miles a year further away from the geographic (true) north pole. This is well established and corrections are published for use on navigational charts.  This difference is important as a magnetic compass points to magnetic north, whereas a gyrocompass points to true north.
So let's go back to the original question.  We know the magnetic north moves as we can measure it.  We know that the magnetic field flips from geological records.  So how does the flat earth theory explain this ?

[ScaryGary]

Frankly, saying something doesn't happen because it happens over a long time period isn't a valid reason for refuting it.  Just because it isn't good enough for you doesn't make it wrong.  It would be easier to hold a logical debate if you would actually counter an argument rather than just saying "It's not good enough.... next" or "that happened thousands of years ago, so I don't think it really happened."

From National Geographic, https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0927_040927_field_flip.html (Not some crackpot web site !)

"Our planet's magnetic field reverses about once every 200,000 years on average. However, the time between reversals is highly variable. The last time Earth's magnetic field flipped was 780,000 years ago, according to the geologic record of Earth's polarity.
The information is captured when molten lava erupts onto Earth's crust and hardens, much in the way that iron filings on a piece of cardboard align themselves to the field of a magnet held beneath it."

The phenomena is generally accepted, and we know that the magnetic field does move around.  Magnetic North moves about 40 miles a year further away from the geographic (true) north pole. This is well established and corrections are published for use on navigational charts.  This difference is important as a magnetic compass points to magnetic north, whereas a gyrocompass points to true north.
So let's go back to the original question.  We know the magnetic north moves as we can measure it.  We know that the magnetic field flips from geological records.  So how does the flat earth theory explain this ?

"However, the time between reversals is highly variable. The last time Earth's magnetic field flipped was 780,000 years ago, according to the geologic record of Earth's polarity."  No, just no....what geologic record?  That crackpot website holding the previous quote I provided was an actual NASA.gov website.  It is evident neither of us will change our views.  If you believe we have records dating back over 700,000 years ago your frame of mind regarding this subject is etched in stone and it is of no use for me to post anything else regarding this subject.

[StinkyOne]

There is no proof that there is a molten outer core, nor a solid inner core for that matter.  The structure of the earth is a theory that is supported by observable facts.  E.g.  Seismic surveys, the behaviour of the magnetic field, volcanic activity, tectonic plate movement, and so on.  Theories change as our understanding of the planet gets better and technology improves.  40 years ago we believed the earth had a molten inner core and a solid outer core. 

Anyway, I digress.  The question I posed was how does the flat earth theory explain how the magnetic field of the earth flips ?

The magnetic field might not flip - look at the data and judge for yourself if we can determine was occurred 100,000's of years ago.  Think of this statement provided by NASA regarding pole reversal: "Earth has settled in the last 20 million years into a pattern of a pole reversal about every 200,000 to 300,000 years, although it has been more than twice that long since the last reversal. A reversal happens over hundreds or thousands of years, and it is not exactly a clean back flip."  The numbers in this statement are astronomical when considering the life span of a typical human (let's say 100 years).  How can any information in that statement truly be proven?  If you say because science says so - that is not good enough for me.  The fact that those numbers are that huge explains there is no real proof of this occurrence.

If you continue reading the article it tells you how they determined the fields have flipped. Don't believe them, go take a core from a dried lava field of sufficient age and figure it out for yourself.

I don't need to continue reading the article because I know things occurring in even over 3,000 years cannot be proven.  They are claiming every 200,000 to 300,000 years.  Why progress further?

You THINK you know. FTFY. Are you an expert in all fields of study or just someone that thinks they are? Your assertions are baseless. I know dinosaurs existed because fossils. I also know that they are over 3000 years old because there is no written record of giant beasts terrorizing humans.

[ScaryGary]

There is no proof that there is a molten outer core, nor a solid inner core for that matter.  The structure of the earth is a theory that is supported by observable facts.  E.g.  Seismic surveys, the behaviour of the magnetic field, volcanic activity, tectonic plate movement, and so on.  Theories change as our understanding of the planet gets better and technology improves.  40 years ago we believed the earth had a molten inner core and a solid outer core. 

Anyway, I digress.  The question I posed was how does the flat earth theory explain how the magnetic field of the earth flips ?

The magnetic field might not flip - look at the data and judge for yourself if we can determine was occurred 100,000's of years ago.  Think of this statement provided by NASA regarding pole reversal: "Earth has settled in the last 20 million years into a pattern of a pole reversal about every 200,000 to 300,000 years, although it has been more than twice that long since the last reversal. A reversal happens over hundreds or thousands of years, and it is not exactly a clean back flip."  The numbers in this statement are astronomical when considering the life span of a typical human (let's say 100 years).  How can any information in that statement truly be proven?  If you say because science says so - that is not good enough for me.  The fact that those numbers are that huge explains there is no real proof of this occurrence.

If you continue reading the article it tells you how they determined the fields have flipped. Don't believe them, go take a core from a dried lava field of sufficient age and figure it out for yourself.

I don't need to continue reading the article because I know things occurring in even over 3,000 years cannot be proven.  They are claiming every 200,000 to 300,000 years.  Why progress further?

You THINK you know. FTFY. Are you an expert in all fields of study or just someone that thinks they are? Your assertions are baseless. I know dinosaurs existed because fossils. I also know that they are over 3000 years old because there is no written record of giant beasts terrorizing humans.

You THINK dinosaurs existed but you do not know for sure - trust me.

[Mark_1984]

I don't need to continue reading the article because I know things occurring in even over 3,000 years cannot be proven.  They are claiming every 200,000 to 300,000 years.  Why progress further?

How do you know ? 

[ScaryGary]

I don't need to continue reading the article because I know things occurring in even over 3,000 years cannot be proven.  They are claiming every 200,000 to 300,000 years.  Why progress further?

How do you know ?

Isn't it obvious?

[Mark_1984]

Nope !! So go on - give me the proof !

[ScaryGary]

Nope !! So go on - give me the proof !

I have nothing to prove because I am not making large claims of having records from over 700,000 years ago.  Can you prove how we are able to obtain records dating back until then?  I believe I need more proof from you regarding any of the claims.

[Curious Squirrel]

Nope !! So go on - give me the proof !

I have nothing to prove because I am not making large claims of having records from over 700,000 years ago.  Can you prove how we are able to obtain records dating back until then?  I believe I need more proof from you regarding any of the claims.

You just asserted that obviously nothing over 3,000 years ago can be proven. What is your proof for that, was the question.

[Mark_1984]

Arguing with a flat earther !!