[devils advocate]

Here are some examples on how this topic will proceed:

https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6588.0

https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6498.msg121460#msg121460

https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6919.msg125884#msg125884

Incorrect. These are some other examples of you failing to answer similar questions.

Sorry Tom you come across as a nice guy but if you're the best Flat earth has got its no wonder you guys are not taken seriously.

I don't know what your purpose here is but if its recruiting people to flat earth you're very bad at it. If its having a laugh or reconfirming your own views I guess you are doing great. My own view is that you are a round earther who loves this mass debate.

The OP is about how the sun achieves 12 hours of daylight across the entire earth on the equinox. Ready for an answer on that whenever you are good sir!

[StinkyOne]

This thread has nothing to do with images, you can stand on any point on earth and time day time and night time at twelve hours each.

Any records of that?

Okay fine, it's 12 hours and 8 mins, so the sun must cover 50.8% of the earth. But yes, of course there are records.
https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/new-zealand/auckland?month=9&year=2017
https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/uk/edinburgh?month=9&year=2017

That's a calculator, not a list of observations.

And before I showed they were making calculations, you complained it was pattern-based and didn't do anything. If it is using calculations, it hurts even further the credibility of FET because the software treats Earth as a globe.

[Tom Bishop]

Here are some examples on how this topic will proceed:

https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6588.0

https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6498.msg121460#msg121460

https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6919.msg125884#msg125884

Incorrect. These are some other examples of you failing to answer similar questions.

Sorry Tom you come across as a nice guy but if you're the best Flat earth has got its no wonder you guys are not taken seriously.

I don't know what your purpose here is but if its recruiting people to flat earth you're very bad at it. If its having a laugh or reconfirming your own views I guess you are doing great. My own view is that you are a round earther who loves this mass debate.

The OP is about how the sun achieves 12 hours of daylight across the entire earth on the equinox. Ready for an answer on that whenever you are good sir!

I believe that I already asked for records of this claim and nothing was provided. Do we really need to go through 8 pages of me asking for evidence of this?

This thread has nothing to do with images, you can stand on any point on earth and time day time and night time at twelve hours each.

Any records of that?

Okay fine, it's 12 hours and 8 mins, so the sun must cover 50.8% of the earth. But yes, of course there are records.
https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/new-zealand/auckland?month=9&year=2017
https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/uk/edinburgh?month=9&year=2017

That's a calculator, not a list of observations.

And before I showed they were making calculations, you complained it was pattern-based and didn't do anything. If it is using calculations, it hurts even further the credibility of FET because the software treats Earth as a globe.

If you know the pattern, you can make a calculator out of it.

[TropeADope]

Here are some examples on how this topic will proceed:

https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6588.0

https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6498.msg121460#msg121460

https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6919.msg125884#msg125884

Incorrect. These are some other examples of you failing to answer similar questions.

Sorry Tom you come across as a nice guy but if you're the best Flat earth has got its no wonder you guys are not taken seriously.

I don't know what your purpose here is but if its recruiting people to flat earth you're very bad at it. If its having a laugh or reconfirming your own views I guess you are doing great. My own view is that you are a round earther who loves this mass debate.

The OP is about how the sun achieves 12 hours of daylight across the entire earth on the equinox. Ready for an answer on that whenever you are good sir!

I believe that I already asked for records of this claim and nothing was provided. Do we really need to go through 8 pages of me asking for evidence of this?

This thread has nothing to do with images, you can stand on any point on earth and time day time and night time at twelve hours each.

Any records of that?

Okay fine, it's 12 hours and 8 mins, so the sun must cover 50.8% of the earth. But yes, of course there are records.
https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/new-zealand/auckland?month=9&year=2017
https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/uk/edinburgh?month=9&year=2017

That's a calculator, not a list of observations.

And before I showed they were making calculations, you complained it was pattern-based and didn't do anything. If it is using calculations, it hurts even further the credibility of FET because the software treats Earth as a globe.

If you know the pattern, you can make a calculator out of it.

And if you know a pattern, make a calculator, and that calculator makes accurate predictions over a long period of time through out the area it's supposed to predict for, then I'd say whoever made the calculator had a pretty idea of what was going on.
Can you make a calculator for FE to predict anything?
If not I'd say you don't really have room to talk in a dismissive tone about it.

[StinkyOne]

If you know the pattern, you can make a calculator out of it.

And if that was what the software did, you'd be correct. But, as I showed, with plenty of documentation, that is not what was happening. If the software supported FET, you'd accept it without a second thought. (as shown by my UA debunk post, lol)

[juner]

Light stops after exactly 13 hours 12 minutes 67 seconds 78 milliseconds and 3.7 microseconds, and 43297 pentoseconds. the sun essentially takes a nap.

Have a few days off, review the rules, and feel free to come back and try again after.

[GiantTurtle]

I believe that I already asked for records of this claim and nothing was provided. Do we really need to go through 8 pages of me asking for evidence of this?

I cannot find a record, only calculators.
But as I asked, is your claim that these are incorrect predictions? How long do you think a day lasts on the equinox?
I verified that it was correct from my location last night and this morning you are free to do the same. I'm sure as the discrepancy between their predictions and your model is a 12 hour day as opposed to a 6 hour day they would have noticed.

[Tom Bishop]

I believe that I already asked for records of this claim and nothing was provided. Do we really need to go through 8 pages of me asking for evidence of this?

I cannot find a record, only calculators.
But as I asked, is your claim that these are incorrect predictions? How long do you think a day lasts on the equinox?
I verified that it was correct from my location last night and this morning you are free to do the same. I'm sure as the discrepancy between their predictions and your model is a 12 hour day as opposed to a 6 hour day they would have noticed.

I haven't been at every point along the equator, or everywhere on earth on the equinox to have that information. Have you?

This is an assertion that you brought here to this forum. I asked for records of this phenomenon you claim to exist. That was not something I claimed to happen. It is something that you claim happens. Is it not reasonable to ask for some kind of evidence of the phenomena put fourth?

I have an idea that will save us a lot of time. How about this: Just write up a response to this message in a notepad. Then imagine that my response is me inquiring about the evidence for these happenings. Do a Select-All on your content and press the Backspace key. Next write up another attempt at convincing us why evidence isn't necessary and your claims should be taken as fact. Then imagine me inquiring about the need for basic evidence for such claims once again. Do another Select-All and press the Backspace key. Continue with this process until you have produced such evidence to bring to this forum or when you get tired of writing.

[StinkyOne]

I believe that I already asked for records of this claim and nothing was provided. Do we really need to go through 8 pages of me asking for evidence of this?

I cannot find a record, only calculators.
But as I asked, is your claim that these are incorrect predictions? How long do you think a day lasts on the equinox?
I verified that it was correct from my location last night and this morning you are free to do the same. I'm sure as the discrepancy between their predictions and your model is a 12 hour day as opposed to a 6 hour day they would have noticed.

I haven't been at every point along the e

Then how can you possibly know its shape??

[GiantTurtle]

Before that I just need to clarify that your claim is points on the earth will receive on average six hours of daylight as predicted by a circle of sun half the radius of the earth?
Are you saying these are incorrect numbers for these positions or that the sampled cities cannot be generalised across the earth?

It doesn't matter, it's not every point on the earth, it is any point. If at any single point on any day if you get twelve hours of sunlight under the assumption that the sun did not slowdown as it passes you, you can tell one of two things, the perimeter of sun's circle of light has passed one of the poles, or the sun does not cast light in a circle of radius half that of the earth's.
I could show the geometry if that is in question?

[Tom Bishop]

Before that I just need to clarify that your claim is points on the earth will receive on average six hours of daylight as predicted by a circle of sun half the radius of the earth?

I do not recall making that claim.

Are you saying these are incorrect numbers for these positions or that the sampled cities cannot be generalised across the earth?

We do not know. We are awaiting your evidence of such.

It doesn't matter, it's not every point on the earth, it is any point. If at any single point on any day if you get twelve hours of sunlight under the assumption that the sun did not slowdown as it passes you, you can tell one of two things, the perimeter of sun's circle of light has passed one of the poles, or the sun does not cast light in a circle of radius half that of the earth's.
I could show the geometry if that is in question?

I would prefer that you just present the evidence rather than trying to argue that evidence is not needed and that we should just logically assume that it is true.

[douglips]

This thread has nothing to do with images, you can stand on any point on earth and time day time and night time at twelve hours each.

Any records of that?

Literally thousands of years of records.

Are you suggesting that the equinox isn't as it has been defined for thousands of years?

http://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places/how-ancient-people-marked-equinox-around-world-001464

[Tom Bishop]

This thread has nothing to do with images, you can stand on any point on earth and time day time and night time at twelve hours each.

Any records of that?

Literally thousands of years of records.

Are you suggesting that the equinox isn't as it has been defined for thousands of years?

http://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places/how-ancient-people-marked-equinox-around-world-001464

Please provide a link or source for this claim of "thousands of years of records." Thank you.

[douglips]

http://solar-center.stanford.edu/AO/Ancient-Observatories.pdf

Edit:
The linked document describes ancient observatories that are all capable of observing the equinox, over a period of thousands of years.

[douglips]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipparchus#Precession_of_the_equinoxes_.28146.E2.80.93127.C2.A0BC.29

Edit: The above shows that Hipparchus had well studied the equinoxes approximately two thousand years ago.

Lest this stray into debate territory, I've started a new thread over in the debates forum:
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=7499.0

[juner]

http://solar-center.stanford.edu/AO/Ancient-Observatories.pdf

Please don't just link a 40+ page document unless you have an argument to make with it.

Also, there is an edit button. Please use it instead of double posting.

[GiantTurtle]

Before that I just need to clarify that your claim is points on the earth will receive on average six hours of daylight as predicted by a circle of sun half the radius of the earth?

I do not recall making that claim.

Your wiki shows the suns light as a circle with half the radius of the earths. pi*r^2 is a quarter of the value of pi*(2r)^2 so the sun covers on average a quarter of the earth at any moment, giving a average daytime of six hours, when I asked if this was correct you told me to find proof that days can be 12 hours long everywhere on earth, a commonly accepted fact. So I can only assume that your theory rests on the lack of a 12 hour day otherwise you would have simply explained the theory.

Are you saying these are incorrect numbers for these positions or that the sampled cities cannot be generalised across the earth?

We do not know. We are awaiting your evidence of such.

I provided the predictions of sunrise and sunset from a major organisation which is certainly evidence even though you dispute it, I need to know why you dispute the evidence to find evidence that is accepted.

I would prefer that you just present the evidence rather than trying to argue that evidence is not needed and that we should just logically assume that it is true.

I have to provide evidence to you that a day can last 12 hours outside of the summer beyond the fact that you have seen such an event twice a year for your entire life?

[douglips]

There's a website you can go to to predict sunrise and sunset times for every location on earth. A billion people can look at that website, and nobody has found an error. Do I have to manually poll each of those billion people around the world? At what point do you accept that an equation accurately predicts sunrises and sunsets?

It doesn't mean the earth is flat or round, it just means that this equation predicts sunrise and sunset times.

When I was a kid I used to see sunrise and sunset times in the newspaper, calculated from this equation. It was always right. Now when I'm travelling, I check timeanddate.com to see when sunrise and sunset is. It is always right.

What would it take for you to accept that the equation works?

[Tom Bishop]

What would it take for you to accept that the equation works?

Some type of evidence that it does would be a good start.

[GiantTurtle]

http://astro.ukho.gov.uk/nao/online/index.html#dmdiag