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Does being a "Flat Earther" involve more than this?
« on: October 27, 2017, 10:44:55 AM »
During my recent three days “in the hole”, serving my ban, I have been contemplating up my first few weeks researching this Flat earth idea.

It is still not clear WHY there is a flat earth society or WHAT its mission is. Vague ideas about “converting people”, “spreading the message”, “Fighting Globurist heresy” have been floated but no unified game-plan is obvious. The “recruitment” that Pete speaks of here;https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=7256.20  maybe be taking place elsewhere as I see none of it on this forum and what these people are being recruited into remains unclear.Hypothetically “so what” if the FE society reached 1,000,000 believers; what would be the “next step?”

On point of the “flat earth idea” it appears as divided and differentiated as concepts such as; “how to lose weight”-sure there’s some consensus (FE says earth is flat and how to lose weight says eat less exercise more) but on the SPECIFICs……………..wow!

There are (at least) two map concepts. Ideas to explain sunsets, astronomical observations, gravity, satellite utilisation, tides, observations of the moon from different locations on earth are explained (or not) in any number of ways and here’s the real issue…….

The empirical rule, the zetetic method is only applied to the RE model.

Any space exploration evidence, distances (New York to Paris or maybe Earth to the Sun), aircraft speeds etc are dismissed because we have not “personally” got out a tape measure and measured them or built a rocket and flown into space ourselves. This is in some ways noble and a great form of science; challenge everything! And why not, that’s how we move forward however………..

No FE’r has walked around the ice wall, measured the distances that prove either polar or bi-polar map, measured the distance to the sun/moon, demonstrated why/how the sun and moon rotate/orbit in the way they need to do to match observation with the FE model, measured the distance to the stars, seen or touched the dome and yet THESE “beliefs” seem above suspicion and the zetetic necessity to demonstrate.

They are offered as a response to the vast wealth of mutually supporting evidence across many disciplines that all point to the same facts (i.e. the Sun is VERY big and VERY far away and earth orbits around it to pick one example from the many available).

I am not sure if I actually believe that anyone here TRULY believes the earth is flat or whether this site/this statement/this identity offers those people something else. Either way it’s a right for us all to hold opinions and vocalise them and I would never want that to change.

I conclude with one question to any true believer that earth is flat;

“Do you have aspirations for the future of the world that involve everyone living here knowing that the earth is flat”?

Cheers all

DA

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Re: Does being a "Flat Earther" involve more than this?
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2017, 01:26:45 PM »
“Do you have aspirations for the future of the world that involve everyone living here knowing that the earth is flat”?
No. To me (and I appreciate views may differ), the primary objective is to convince as many people as possible to think for themselves, to see the world for what is actually observable, and not for what they are told it is. Especially at times of geopolitical turmoil, free-thinkers are worth their weight in gold. Zetetic thought just happens to be an excellent way of achieving that.
Read the FAQ before asking your question - chances are we already addressed it.
Follow the Flat Earth Society on Twitter and Facebook!

If we are not speculating then we must assume

Re: Does being a "Flat Earther" involve more than this?
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2017, 04:28:01 PM »
I have more to add. Flat earth research seems to be limited to youtube videos, twitter and forums like this. Basically, just over the internet. A few go out and make these videos, demonstrating experiments of sorts. But mostly, its about reading what a few have said and repeating those statements.

What happened to real research? Going out to try those experiments loud round earthers are always talking about so as to show them up? What happened to crowd funding a flight from Sydney to Santiago to show it really is a lie? What happened to trying to circumnavigate around the South Pole and crashing into the icewall or getting pictures of the guards posted there from a distance? What happened to writing research papers and having them peer reviewed by fellow flat earthers then publishing in flat earther magazines?

What happened to actually proving the earth is flat?

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Re: Does being a "Flat Earther" involve more than this?
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2017, 06:54:18 PM »
I have more to add. Flat earth research seems to be limited to youtube videos, twitter and forums like this.
Welcome, first time poster. You're completely wrong.
Read the FAQ before asking your question - chances are we already addressed it.
Follow the Flat Earth Society on Twitter and Facebook!

If we are not speculating then we must assume

Re: Does being a "Flat Earther" involve more than this?
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2017, 07:55:54 PM »
I have more to add. Flat earth research seems to be limited to youtube videos, twitter and forums like this.
Welcome, first time poster. You're completely wrong.

Thanks for the welcome.

Kindly direct to the resolution of my wrong impressions.

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Re: Does being a "Flat Earther" involve more than this?
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2017, 08:56:19 PM »
Kindly direct to the resolution of my wrong impressions.
I would recommend that you start with the FAQ and Wiki. If you want the full picture, you may want to read Earth Not a Globe, too. At that point, you should be ready for going through some of our debate threads. Since you seem to be particularly interested in experiments, this will likely be the section for you.
Read the FAQ before asking your question - chances are we already addressed it.
Follow the Flat Earth Society on Twitter and Facebook!

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Re: Does being a "Flat Earther" involve more than this?
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2017, 08:58:59 PM »
“Do you have aspirations for the future of the world that involve everyone living here knowing that the earth is flat”?
No. To me (and I appreciate views may differ), the primary objective is to convince as many people as possible to think for themselves, to see the world for what is actually observable, and not for what they are told it is. Especially at times of geopolitical turmoil, free-thinkers are worth their weight in gold. Zetetic thought just happens to be an excellent way of achieving that.

Thank you Pete! That is without doubt the most rewarding answer I have had to any question I have asked on this forum and I truly appreciate you taking the time to reply to me. I think I might be getting somewhere in understanding this idea. Naturally, as you point out, your views are your own and each person will have their own reasons and priorities however from you I think I can start to understand an important human factor in this whole debate.

Thanks again Pete  :)

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Re: Does being a "Flat Earther" involve more than this?
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2017, 03:20:22 AM »
“Do you have aspirations for the future of the world that involve everyone living here knowing that the earth is flat”?
No. To me (and I appreciate views may differ), the primary objective is to convince as many people as possible to think for themselves, to see the world for what is actually observable, and not for what they are told it is. Especially at times of geopolitical turmoil, free-thinkers are worth their weight in gold. Zetetic thought just happens to be an excellent way of achieving that.

Thank you Pete! That is without doubt the most rewarding answer I have had to any question I have asked on this forum and I truly appreciate you taking the time to reply to me. I think I might be getting somewhere in understanding this idea. Naturally, as you point out, your views are your own and each person will have their own reasons and priorities however from you I think I can start to understand an important human factor in this whole debate.

Thanks again Pete  :)

Hmmm - yes, it is a good answer.  And I actually agree with it.

However, holding onto an idea when all of the evidence points the other way is just stubbornness.  And in the case of Flat Earthism, the evidence does strongly point the other way.

The only way it's possible to accept it is to take large amounts of evidence (NASA photos, for example) and dump them into a "Conspiracy Theory" black box so you don't have to explain them.   Then to use Zetetic principles only when it suits your story and throw that overboard too the very moment it seems to be violating your personal preconceptions.
Hey Tom:  What path do the photons take from the physical location of the sun to my eye at sunset?

Re: Does being a "Flat Earther" involve more than this?
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2017, 08:30:13 AM »
Kindly direct to the resolution of my wrong impressions.
I would recommend that you start with the FAQ and Wiki. If you want the full picture, you may want to read Earth Not a Globe, too. At that point, you should be ready for going through some of our debate threads. Since you seem to be particularly interested in experiments, this will likely be the section for you.
Which experiments have been carried out recently and proven?