Re: Best Eric Dubay videos
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2017, 04:48:20 AM »
The flights from Johannesburg to Perth:
https://www.google.com/search?q=south+african+airways+flight+280&oq=south+african+airways+flight+280&aqs=chrome..69i57j0.4488j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
9 hours or so non-stop. Totally debunks the section on flight times.

It's clear that he chose a route with little service and looked at flights that stopped part way. If you run an airline and you don't have enough demand to go nonstop Jo'burg to Perth, you stop in Malaysia or somewhere. But when you do go non-stop, no freaking problem.


Re: Best Eric Dubay videos
« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2017, 04:50:35 AM »
Here's the flight tracker link for South African 280: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SAA280

Re: Best Eric Dubay videos
« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2017, 05:04:49 AM »
This crap that is super easily googleable is sad. When the guy says "Flights from X to Y all land in Z", you can actually just google "flights from X to Y" and often find non-stops. Every single example he gives is easily refutable:

22:39 - Santiago to Johannesburg, claims that instead of flying direct every flight refuels north of the equator in senegal.
South African has flights from Johannesburg to Sao Paolo Brazil non-stop, 10 hours or so (see below). You can then connect to Santiago.
Again, ask yourself how many people want to make this trip and if a non-stop all the way to Santiago makes sense.

23:19 calls out the exact Jo'burg to Sao Paolo flight which does exist, South African 222
https://www.google.com/search?q=south+african+airways+flight+222
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SAA222
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SAA222/history/20171014/0900Z/FAOR/SBGR

23:38 Santiago to Sydney. Qantas flys this non-stop, Qantas 28
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA28
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA28/history/20171013/1630Z/SCEL/YSSY
14 hours or so, just as predicted

SO FAR EVERYTHING THIS GUY OBJECTED TO ACTUALLY REINFORCES ROUND EARTH.
He is just DELIBERATELY ignoring easily found flights, or perhaps charitably when this video was made the flights didn't exist. But they do now.

Re: Best Eric Dubay videos
« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2017, 05:42:09 AM »
OK, so the star trails stuff is also pretty silly.

24:44 Asserts that the galaxy is moving at 670 million mph. No sources given.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background#CMBR_dipole_anisotropy
The milky way is moving at 627 km/s, which is only 1.4 million mph, so he's off by 2 orders of magnitude

Asserted: Sundials are still accurate after centuries. What? Of course they are. Noon is noon, how could it be anything else?

Asserted: Star charts are all the same throughout history.
This is only because history is so short and human lives are so short.
Stars that are closer to earth have easily observable proper motion, for example Barnard's star:
http://astronomer.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Barnard_199_-to_2007.jpg

It's easy to do the math to show that even at stellar speeds, the distances in the galaxy are so vast that constellations evolve very very slowly.
You need to consider timescales about 100 times longer than humans have been painting on cave walls: https://www.wired.com/2015/03/gifs-show-constellations-transforming-150000-years/

26:16 - he asks how a star that is super far away could stay still given all the motion. The farther away something is, the LESS its apparent motion. How is this not obvious to him?

26:30 - claims without any support that Polaris is visble from as far south as 20 degrees south latitude. This is simply not true.
Here are some pictures of star trails taken from Ecuador, 0 degree latitude. We know Polaris is right at the middle of the swirly part to the north, which is exactly on the horizon.
Find me a single picture of Polaris taken from the southern hemisphere.
http://sguisard.astrosurf.com/Pagim/From_pole_to_pole.html

27:00 claims Ursa Major "right next to polaris" is visible from the southern hemisphere, shows a picture of Ursa Major from the NOrthern Hemisphere.
Of COURSE Ursa Major is visible from the southern hemisphere - it only goes to about 63 degrees north "celestial latitude" if you want to think of it that way, so you'd see it.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/North_Hemisphere.png

This also means that "right next to Polaris" is like 27 degrees away. That's HUGE!

He claims Ursa Major is visible to 30 degrees south, and since it's close to 30 degrees away from Polaris this puts the lie to the notion that Polaris is visible at all.

27:10 Vulpecula can be seen down to 55 degrees south! Well, yeah, it's only at 25 degrees north or so. The sky is 180 degrees across, if your latitude is within roughly 90 degrees of a star you can see it if the time of year is right.

27:15 "Taurus, Pisces and Leo" are all signs of the zodiac. These are zodiacal signs because the ecliptic (where the sun goes) passes through them. This means that they are all within 23 degrees of the celestial equator.

All of this seems to be claiming that something in one celestial hemisphere isn't visible from the other, but guess what: this would be like claiming the sun should disappear for the entire northern hemisphere for the winter. This is just crazy.

Re: Best Eric Dubay videos
« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2017, 05:43:21 AM »
OK, now if you look at any of these videos and see something that you think is interesting, I want you to google for just 2 minutes and see if you can find easily some evidence to refute the claim.

Seriously, non-stop flights for nearly all of the things he claims don't have non-stop flights. Seriously.

devils advocate

Re: Best Eric Dubay videos
« Reply #25 on: October 15, 2017, 04:53:43 PM »
OK, now if you look at any of these videos and see something that you think is interesting, I want you to google for just 2 minutes and see if you can find easily some evidence to refute the claim.

Seriously, non-stop flights for nearly all of the things he claims don't have non-stop flights. Seriously.

Cheers Douglips, this is exactly the sort of debate I wanted when starting this thread, still waiting for a true Flat earther to offer something of substance to debate (J-man clearly doesn't count as he no more believes in FE than 3D he just enjoys trolling) >:(

devils advocate

Re: Best Eric Dubay videos
« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2017, 11:44:16 PM »
Well here is the proof I've been searching for....


Surely we can all agree now.