Republican Health Care Bill
« on: June 22, 2017, 03:47:22 PM »
http://www.npr.org/2017/06/22/533947844/senate-republicans-reveal-long-awaited-affordable-care-act-repeal-bill

The senate has gotten the bill out in public.  Finally.

Now to read it, digest it, and then vote on it in about a week.

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Re: Republican Health Care Bill
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2017, 03:52:00 PM »
http://www.npr.org/2017/06/22/533947844/senate-republicans-reveal-long-awaited-affordable-care-act-repeal-bill

The senate has gotten the bill out in public.  Finally.

Now to read it, digest it, and then vote on it in about a week.

But I thought health care bills were supposed to be passed first, and then we could find out what is in them.
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Re: Republican Health Care Bill
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2017, 03:58:05 PM »
http://www.npr.org/2017/06/22/533947844/senate-republicans-reveal-long-awaited-affordable-care-act-repeal-bill

The senate has gotten the bill out in public.  Finally.

Now to read it, digest it, and then vote on it in about a week.

But I thought health care bills were supposed to be passed first, and then we could find out what is in them.
Not when 50% of your bill is removing lines from another bill.

Re: Republican Health Care Bill
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2017, 06:31:42 PM »
http://www.npr.org/2017/06/26/534428929/senate-republicans-alter-health-care-bill-to-avoid-so-called-death-spiral

I'm laughing so damn hard.

They went from "Forcing people to pay a tax or buy health insurance is wrong!" to "Well... looks like we kinda do need to force people to buy health insurance..." in a matter of months.  BRILLIANT!

Re: Republican Health Care Bill
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2017, 06:40:47 PM »
"The revised bill attempts to solve that problem by imposing a penalty on those who don't maintain continuous insurance coverage: People who let their coverage lapse for at least 63 days in one year would be locked out of the insurance market for six months the following year."

what a shitty idea
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Re: Republican Health Care Bill
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2017, 08:05:04 PM »
So it's just ACA but worse?

Re: Republican Health Care Bill
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2017, 08:14:54 PM »
So it's just ACA but worse?

YEP!

Turns out you can't do the whole "Pre-existing conditions can stay" part without "mandate" part.

Re: Republican Health Care Bill
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2017, 09:47:44 AM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/26/us/politics/senate-health-care-bill-republican.html?partner=msft_msn

Welp, that went as expected.

The white house is like "This will save us a ton of money by lowering enrollment in medicare and medicaid"
CBO: "It'll drop tons of people off health care completely due to costs."
WH: "That's what i just said."
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Re: Republican Health Care Bill
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2017, 04:07:53 PM »
http://www.npr.org/2017/06/22/533947844/senate-republicans-reveal-long-awaited-affordable-care-act-repeal-bill

The senate has gotten the bill out in public.  Finally.

Now to read it, digest it, and then vote on it in about a week.

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Re: Republican Health Care Bill
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2017, 07:00:45 PM »
I would suggest to all,,  As far as healthcare is involved,,   To research the natural alternatives as opposed to this care system only dealing with your symptoms...
You will be surprised what you find...
Cancer for one,,   has some 30 different effective remedies taken from the alternative...   Latrile, or vitamin B17 from apricot kernels being one of them..

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Re: Republican Health Care Bill
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2017, 08:20:50 PM »
I would suggest to all,,  As far as healthcare is involved,,   To research the natural alternatives as opposed to this care system only dealing with your symptoms...
You will be surprised what you find...
Cancer for one,,   has some 30 different effective remedies taken from the alternative...   Latrile, or vitamin B17 from apricot kernels being one of them..

Thanks for the advice but we're all aware of how shockingly easy it is to cure cancer.

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Re: Republican Health Care Bill
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2017, 09:33:15 AM »
I would suggest to all,,  As far as healthcare is involved,,   To research the natural alternatives as opposed to this care system only dealing with your symptoms...
You will be surprised what you find...
Cancer for one,,   has some 30 different effective remedies taken from the alternative...   Latrile, or vitamin B17 from apricot kernels being one of them..
Curing cancer is easy:
Kill the host.

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Re: Republican Health Care Bill
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2017, 03:55:08 PM »
It seems you pay the most and get the least!

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/interactives/2017/july/mirror-mirror/

And the Uk's health service?
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Re: Republican Health Care Bill
« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2017, 04:13:04 PM »
It seems you pay the most and get the least!

Like we need to be reminded. >:(
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Re: Republican Health Care Bill
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2017, 07:30:03 AM »
And its failed.


Congrats republicans.  You had one goal for 7 years and ya killed it 6 months after getting the power to actually do it.


Welcome to the next 4 years.

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Re: Republican Health Care Bill
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2017, 08:27:12 PM »
I've been wondering lately. 

As we all know, one of the major reasons for ever increasing insurance premiums is the spiraling costs of health care in general.  Pharmaceutical companies, equipment manufacturers, etc. are being accused of getting fat off of the misery of others.

What do you suppose would happen if the profit motivation was removed by making the all players in the health care industry non-profit organizations?  Yes, that would make them all tax exempt, but it would also take away the incentive to milk the industry for all it's worth.

I'm sure that there are plenty of good reasons that it wouldn't work, but does anyone think that it might be at least a germ of a workable idea?
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Re: Republican Health Care Bill
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2017, 04:49:17 AM »
I've been wondering lately. 

As we all know, one of the major reasons for ever increasing insurance premiums is the spiraling costs of health care in general.  Pharmaceutical companies, equipment manufacturers, etc. are being accused of getting fat off of the misery of others.

What do you suppose would happen if the profit motivation was removed by making the all players in the health care industry non-profit organizations?  Yes, that would make them all tax exempt, but it would also take away the incentive to milk the industry for all it's worth.

I'm sure that there are plenty of good reasons that it wouldn't work, but does anyone think that it might be at least a germ of a workable idea?

Not necessarily.  Non-profits are able to generate higher earnings annually than their expenditures (profit) they just aren't allowed to pay the excess to shareholders.  It's easy enough to siphon off the excess in consulting fees, building expansions, capital improvements etc.  None of those expenditures have to also go to a non-profit.  It's rather important to remember that state colleges and most all teaching hospitals are "non-profit" but they sure do collect a lot of revenue.

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Re: Republican Health Care Bill
« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2017, 06:03:55 AM »
We are at a point where the only reasonable way for the government to rein in the rampant corruption in the medical industry is to join most of the rest of the civilized world and give its people universal healthcare.
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Re: Republican Health Care Bill
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2017, 06:53:35 AM »
We are at a point where the only reasonable way for the government to rein in the rampant corruption in the medical industry is to join most of the rest of the civilized world and give its people universal healthcare.

"But Roundy, governments are so more corrupt than private companies so we'd only have higher medical costs and less services!"

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Re: Republican Health Care Bill
« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2017, 11:56:59 AM »
We are at a point where the only reasonable way for the government to rein in the rampant corruption in the medical industry is to join most of the rest of the civilized world and give its people universal healthcare.

"But Roundy, governments are so more corrupt than private companies so we'd only have higher medical costs and less services!"

That's not what has been demonstrated in all of the other wealthy industrialized nations of the world (flat or round).  Their governments are able to outperform us in total life expectancy and infant mortality for significantly less per capita expenditures.

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