[Lord Dave]

Trump HATES the TRUTH!

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/29/nx-s1-5380935/amazon-tariffs

Summary:
Rumor was that Amazon would start adding "Tariff charge" to its checkout so people knew how much of the item's cost was due to tariffs.
Trump personaly called Jeff Bezos and said don't do it.


What was that, Republicans?  Where is your "The government shouldn't dictate what private companies do" people?  Oh they aren't saying anything?  Fucking figures.

[markjo]

Looks like another woke Biden program in the military bites the dust.
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5272905-hegseth-pentagon-women-peace-security/

Thing is...

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth declared Tuesday that he had begun to shutter a Pentagon program meant to advance women’s participation in peace-building and conflict prevention, which was created by a law written by GOP lawmakers and signed by President Trump during his first term.

[Lord Dave]

Looks like another woke Biden program in the military bites the dust.
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5272905-hegseth-pentagon-women-peace-security/

Thing is...

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth declared Tuesday that he had begun to shutter a Pentagon program meant to advance women’s participation in peace-building and conflict prevention, which was created by a law written by GOP lawmakers and signed by President Trump during his first term.

Trump literally does not care about what he did in his first term.  To him, it's as tho it never happened.

[AATW]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy5rd35wg4ro

And yet his cult members whoop and cheer and pretend they can see 5 fingers when he holds up 4.

[Tom Bishop]

It would be helpful if you didn't repost the words of retarts and liars. From your link:

On 29 April, the average price for a gallon of "regular" gas - or petrol - across the US was $3.16 (£2.36), according to data from the American Automobile Association (AAA).

That is slightly up from the $3.125 (£2.33) recorded by the AAA on the day Trump entered the White House.

In his speech, he added that gas prices had "just hit $1.98 in a lot of states".

This is a claim he has made several times but we cannot find evidence of prices this low.

As of 29 April, no state had an average gas price lower than $2.67 (£1.99), according to the AAA.

If is is noted that gas hit $1.98 in some areas, why would you post a national or state average as your rebuttal? Do you not understand the difference? The difference in the price of goods in different parts of the US can be enormous. In the video of his statement Trump says that gas "hit" 1.98 in a "couple" of states. He does not say "a lot of states", so this quote they gave us which allegedly comes from Trump is a lie as well. The limitation of hitting a low price point in a couple of states shows fairly clearly that he is talking about the minimum, yet BBC Verify wanted to lie about it.

Whether this leftist outlet can find that data or not, posting the average price to its audience as a form of evidence is intellectually dishonest. These people clearly do not understand simple mathematical concepts enough to tell us anything about the price of gas, yet they represent themselves to the public as authorities and "fact checkers".

However, considering that we learn about averages in primary school, the problem isn't likely to be ignorance here. These people lied about the quote and chose to use the average price of gas to trick a gullible public who might not look into it much. They are deceitful people who are manipulating their "fact checks" in favor of the liberal narrative.

[Lord Dave]

It would be helpful if you didn't repost the words of retarts and liars. From your link:

On 29 April, the average price for a gallon of "regular" gas - or petrol - across the US was $3.16 (£2.36), according to data from the American Automobile Association (AAA).

That is slightly up from the $3.125 (£2.33) recorded by the AAA on the day Trump entered the White House.

In his speech, he added that gas prices had "just hit $1.98 in a lot of states".

This is a claim he has made several times but we cannot find evidence of prices this low.

As of 29 April, no state had an average gas price lower than $2.67 (£1.99), according to the AAA.

If is is noted that gas hit $1.98 in some areas, why would you post a national or state average as your rebuttal? Do you not understand the difference? The difference in the price of goods in different parts of the US can be enormous. In the video of his statement Trump says that gas "hit" 1.98 in a "couple" of states. He does not say "a lot of states", so this quote they gave us which allegedly comes from Trump is a lie as well. The limitation of hitting a low price point in a couple of states shows fairly clearly that he is talking about the minimum, yet BBC Verify wanted to lie about it.

Whether this leftist outlet can find that data or not, posting the average price to its audience as a form of evidence is intellectually dishonest. These people clearly do not understand simple mathematical concepts enough to tell us anything about the price of gas, yet they represent themselves to the public as authorities and "fact checkers".

However, considering that we learn about averages in primary school, the problem isn't likely to be ignorance here. These people lied about the quote and chose to use the average price of gas to trick a gullible public who might not look into it much. They are deceitful people who are manipulating their "fact checks" in favor of the liberal narrative.

Can you find even 1 gas station that had it anywhere close to that price?  Because I question how Trump did.

[Lord Dave]

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/30/nx-s1-5382306/mohsen-madawi-released-ice-columbia-university-activist-judge

Apparently even IF you do everything right, they'll still send you to an ICE detention center WHILE YOU INTERVIEW FOR CITIZENSHIP!

So lets recap:

Come in illegal?  Get arrested and deported without due process.
Come in legally?  Get arrested and deported without due process.
Try to be a citizen?  Get arrested and deported without due process.

[Tom Bishop]

It would be helpful if you didn't repost the words of retarts and liars. From your link:

On 29 April, the average price for a gallon of "regular" gas - or petrol - across the US was $3.16 (£2.36), according to data from the American Automobile Association (AAA).

That is slightly up from the $3.125 (£2.33) recorded by the AAA on the day Trump entered the White House.

In his speech, he added that gas prices had "just hit $1.98 in a lot of states".

This is a claim he has made several times but we cannot find evidence of prices this low.

As of 29 April, no state had an average gas price lower than $2.67 (£1.99), according to the AAA.

If is is noted that gas hit $1.98 in some areas, why would you post a national or state average as your rebuttal? Do you not understand the difference? The difference in the price of goods in different parts of the US can be enormous. In the video of his statement Trump says that gas "hit" 1.98 in a "couple" of states. He does not say "a lot of states", so this quote they gave us which allegedly comes from Trump is a lie as well. The limitation of hitting a low price point in a couple of states shows fairly clearly that he is talking about the minimum, yet BBC Verify wanted to lie about it.

Whether this leftist outlet can find that data or not, posting the average price to its audience as a form of evidence is intellectually dishonest. These people clearly do not understand simple mathematical concepts enough to tell us anything about the price of gas, yet they represent themselves to the public as authorities and "fact checkers".

However, considering that we learn about averages in primary school, the problem isn't likely to be ignorance here. These people lied about the quote and chose to use the average price of gas to trick a gullible public who might not look into it much. They are deceitful people who are manipulating their "fact checks" in favor of the liberal narrative.

Can you find even 1 gas station that had it anywhere close to that price?  Because I question how Trump did.

Gas hit 2.25 yesterday in Huston, Texas, which is one of the largest cities in the US. You are arguing about a quarter. There is a good chance that it hit 1.98 somewhere in America in the last few weeks when he made the statement on sometime around the 18th.

Houston Gas Prices - https://www.khou.com/gasprices



The AOL/CNN article I linked above in this post states 2.19, which is even closer: "The lowest price GasBuddy found on Wednesday was $2.19 per gallon at a station in Texas."

Trump is right, the cost of gas is low, and he is likely correct that it hit 1.98 somewhere this month. BBC is talking about averages when Trump is talking about minimums. BBC lied about the Trump quote about "a lot of states" when he said it "hit" 1.98 in a "couple of states". By extension, the other liberal media articles lie about this when they make the same argument which uses averages. Multiple liberal media outlets are joint in lying about this, and we consistently see the content of these fiends reposted here as fact.

[Tom Bishop]

Here is Politifact's fact check on this:

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2025/apr/24/donald-trump/donald-trump-states-gas-prices-gallon/

But no state has had an average gasoline price close to $1.98 per gallon in recent weeks. The lowest per-gallon price we could find of all U.S. gas stations was $2.11 at one station

"I see that we had a couple of states where gasoline was at $1.98 a gallon," Trump said. "Nobody thought they'd see that for years maybe. And that's a big thing. And we opened up our wells, we opened up our drilling."

But no state has had an average gasoline price close to $1.98 per gallon in recent weeks. The lowest per-gallon price we could find of all U.S. gas stations was $2.11 at one station

From this, we see:

- The correct quote is actually  that it hit a low number in "couple of states", not "a lot of states". BBC shamelessly lied about the quote

- Like other outlets, Politifact brings up average gasoline price to obfuscate the truth, when the quote is clearly talking about minimums

- We see another totally different "lowest" price of $2.11, which is different from the lowest price from the AOL and BBC articles. Politicfact is ridiculously arguing about a difference of 13 cents, based on what "we could find".

[Lord Dave]

So Trump made up a number no can verify but it was close enough that, if you make an assumption, it's true.

[Tom Bishop]

Here is an article from April 28th, 2025:

https://www.newschannel6now.com/2025/04/28/gasbuddy-report-shows-prices-are-lower-than-previous-months-despite-high-prices/

According to GasBuddy price reports, the cheapest station in Texas was priced at $1.99/g yesterday

This claim that prices aren't as low as Trump says they are is now pretty much debonked. There is no good authoritative resource on historical retail prices and every outlet is giving out different numbers based on random research.

[Lord Dave]

Here is an article from April 28th, 2025:

https://www.newschannel6now.com/2025/04/28/gasbuddy-report-shows-prices-are-lower-than-previous-months-despite-high-prices/

According to GasBuddy price reports, the cheapest station in Texas was priced at $1.99/g yesterday

This claim that prices aren't as low as Trump says they are is now pretty much debonked. There is no good authoritative resource on historical retail prices and every outlet is giving out different numbers based on random research.

So he lied about it being "a couple of states" and instead meant "One station somewhere in Texas, 8 days from now".

There is no good authoritative resource on historical retail prices and every outlet is giving out different numbers based on random research.

And yet somehow Trump knew?  So how did he know if there's no good authorative resource?

[AATW]

In the video of his statement Trump says that gas "hit" 1.98 in a "couple" of states[/url]. He does not say "a lot of states", so this quote they gave us which allegedly comes from Trump is a lie as well.

Nope.

This is the video where he says it



Very clearly says "a lot of states", so please retract that accusation.

posting the average price to its audience as a form of evidence is intellectually dishonest.

As usual, the opposite is true. If someone promises to bring down the price of something and the average price goes up then they haven't kept that promise. Even if the price at one or even a handful of gas stations is as low as he claims, it's a dishonest representation to take the minimum price you can find and use that as evidence that you kept your promise when the average has gone up.

[Tom Bishop]

In the video of his statement Trump says that gas "hit" 1.98 in a "couple" of states[/url]. He does not say "a lot of states", so this quote they gave us which allegedly comes from Trump is a lie as well.

Nope.

This is the video where he says it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn1Fr4dtRZU

Very clearly says "a lot of states", so please retract that accusation.

Even this version of the claim is deceptively edited. Here is the full video:

34:48
Your energy your car your gasoline and they have three states this week a
couple of days ago that were $1.98 a gallon So gasoline prices are down by
a lot Energy prices are down Mortgage

36:15
prices down Every price has gone down What am I going to do i mean think of it Gasoline was almost $4 not so long ago. And now Mike we just hit 1.98 in a lot of states Think of it

Less than two minutes beforehand he says it is in "three states". The BBC clearly wanted to do some creative editing and remove that part. Obscuring this part and only showing the later sentence and pretending that he is talking about a majority of 50 states makes it a lie. The journalists at the BBC are liars and have no journalistic integrity.

As usual, the opposite is true. If someone promises to bring down the price of something and the average price goes up then they haven't kept that promise. Even if the price at one or even a handful of gas stations is as low as he claims, it's a dishonest representation to take the minimum price you can find and use that as evidence that you kept your promise when the average has gone up.

Replace gasoline with womens purses in your argument and you will see how poor that argument is. Gas is often sold at a premium with psychological tactics at a central shopping or food convenience area, strategic waypoints, or more commonly simply because it's sold in middle or upper class areas at a price calculated to what the market will bear and is willing to psychologically pay. The goal of companies is to sell at the highest possible price. Therefore the lowest prices of gasoline tells us more about the the cheapest viable product and cuts out market factors and companies trying to capitalize on gasoline.

According to Gas Buddy, Texas is now down to $1.97 a gallon for E85 type fuel in Waxahachie, TX , and $1.99 a gallon for UNL88 type fuel in Greenville, TX, with the lowest Regular type at $2.14 in Cleveland, TX.



From the maps we can see that the lowest costs are concentrated on the east side of Texas.  These are prices around what Trump claimed. Gas is cheap in multiple cities in Texas on the east side, yet is more expensive in other Texas cities.

In the California coastal cities the price of gas is dollars more per gallon than the rest of the country, but we know that gas is "really" at the price of the states where it is lowest, specifically if we are trying to use the number as a gauge of the health of the economy as a whole and not the complex markets of rich Californians. Minimum gas prices affects transportation, industry, and a whole host of fields which capitalize on wholesale fuel. Maximum and average gas prices, not necessarily so.

Trump is using gasoline as a national indicator of health, and so the lowest prices in the country should be used. Since Trump has additionally pointed out that this is occurring in three different states it also strengthens the argument that this number is not a localized phenomenon and represents the optimized minimum viable product.

[Lord Dave]

In the video of his statement Trump says that gas "hit" 1.98 in a "couple" of states[/url]. He does not say "a lot of states", so this quote they gave us which allegedly comes from Trump is a lie as well.

Nope.

This is the video where he says it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn1Fr4dtRZU

Very clearly says "a lot of states", so please retract that accusation.

Even this version of the claim is deceptively edited. Here is the full video:

34:48
Your energy your car your gasoline and they have three states this week a
couple of days ago that were $1.98 a gallon So gasoline prices are down by
a lot Energy prices are down Mortgage

36:15
prices down Every price has gone down What am I going to do i mean think of it Gasoline was almost $4 not so long ago. And now Mike we just hit 1.98 in a lot of states Think of it

Less than two minutes beforehand he says it is in "three states". The BBC clearly wanted to do some creative editing and remove that part. Obscuring this part and only showing the later sentence and pretending that he is talking about a majority of 50 states makes it a lie. The journalists at the BBC are liars and have no journalistic integrity.

As usual, the opposite is true. If someone promises to bring down the price of something and the average price goes up then they haven't kept that promise. Even if the price at one or even a handful of gas stations is as low as he claims, it's a dishonest representation to take the minimum price you can find and use that as evidence that you kept your promise when the average has gone up.

Replace gasoline with womens purses in your argument and you will see how poor that argument is. Gas is often sold at a premium with psychological tactics at a central shopping or food convenience area, strategic waypoints, or more commonly simply because it's sold in middle or upper class areas at a price calculated to what the market will bear and is willing to psychologically pay. The goal of companies is to sell at the highest possible price. Therefore the lowest prices of gasoline tells us more about the the cheapest viable product and cuts out market factors and companies trying to capitalize on gasoline.

According to Gas Buddy, Texas is now down to $1.97 a gallon for E85 type fuel in Waxahachie, TX , and $1.99 a gallon for UNL88 type fuel in Greenville, TX, with the lowest Regular type at $2.14 in Cleveland, TX.



From the maps we can see that the lowest costs are concentrated on the east side of Texas.  These are prices around what Trump claimed. Gas is cheap in multiple cities in Texas on the east side, yet is more expensive in other Texas cities.

In the California coastal cities the price of gas is dollars more per gallon than the rest of the country, but we know that gas is "really" at the price of the states where it is lowest, specifically if we are trying to use the number as a gauge of the health of the economy as a whole and not the complex markets of rich Californians. Minimum gas prices affects transportation, industry, and a whole host of fields which capitalize on wholesale fuel. Maximum and average gas prices, not necessarily so.

Trump is using gasoline as a national indicator of health, and so the lowest prices in the country should be used. Since Trump has additionally pointed out that this is occurring in three different states it also strengthens the argument that this number is not a localized phenomenon and represents the optimized minimum viable product.

Wait wait wait...

You're using E85 as 'gas'?
No wonder we couldn't find it!  E85 is normally cheaper than regular unleaded so this went from:

Gas in many states
To gas in some states
To gas in 3 states
To gas at a few stations
To E85 at a few stations.

My my how the goal posts keep shifting.

[AATW]

Even this version of the claim

It is not a claim. That's the video if him saying "a lot of states". Something you claimed he didn't say and you accused the BBC of lying about.
But he did say it. That's the video proving it. The honest thing to do now would be to admit you were wrong and retract your accusation

Less than two minutes beforehand he says it is in "three states"

So now you're admitting that he contradicted himself within about a minute
First it was 3 States, a minute later it was "a lot of states". Unless you're going to argue that 3 out of 50 is "a lot".
I'm not sure how this helps your case.

Every price has gone down

Which is a lie, isn't it? Every price hasn't gone down. If we are still talking about gas and the average price has ticked up slightly then it cannot be true that every price as gone down because math.

Replace gasoline with womens purses in your argument and you will see how poor that argument is.

What a stupid comparison. I had a look on Amazon. You can find cheap purses for under £10. You can find some "luxury" ones for over £1,000.
Gas prices cannot be compared to that - sure, some places will have higher prices than others but you won't get that sort of range.

According to Gas Buddy Texas is now down to $1.97 a gallon for E85 type fuel

lol. So you picked the cheapest places in the entire State AND you picked the cheaptest type of fuel. A type I'd never heard of because
"Most standard petrol vehicles are not designed to run on E85 and may experience problems like loss of power, fuel economy issues, or even engine damage".

Trump is using gasoline as a national indicator of health, and so the lowest prices in the country should be used.

lol. OK, champ. Next time you fill up let me know what price you paid. See whether the minimum price of the cheapest type of fuel available in the country helps you.
I's suggest a better measure of health is that the economy of the whole country shrunk for the first time since 2022 because of Trump's insane trade war.

[AATW]

Wait wait wait...

You're using E85 as 'gas'?
No wonder we couldn't find it!  E85 is normally cheaper than regular unleaded so this went from:

Gas in many states
To gas in some states
To gas in 3 states
To gas at a few stations
To E85 at a few stations.

My my how the goal posts keep shifting.

lol
Tom will move them as far as he needs to in order to make it seem like his cult leader is right.
I wonder if he'll ever realise that the emperor has no clothes on. If he does then he will never admit it.

[Lord Dave]

Wait wait wait...

You're using E85 as 'gas'?
No wonder we couldn't find it!  E85 is normally cheaper than regular unleaded so this went from:

Gas in many states
To gas in some states
To gas in 3 states
To gas at a few stations
To E85 at a few stations.

My my how the goal posts keep shifting.

lol
Tom will move them as far as he needs to in order to make it seem like his cult leader is right.
I wonder if he'll ever realise that the emperor has no clothes on. If he does then he will never admit it.

I wonder if Tom is a politician.

[Tom Bishop]

Wow, deceptive. I literally posted prices for three different fuel types in the same sentence:

According to Gas Buddy, Texas is now down to $1.97 a gallon for E85 type fuel in Waxahachie, TX , and $1.99 a gallon for UNL88 type fuel in Greenville, TX, with the lowest Regular type at $2.14 in Cleveland, TX.

AATW chose to cut out everything except for E85, which is a fuel that over 20 million US vehicles and several Ford F150 models can use, pretending that I was only talking about a certain obscure cheap kind of fuel. In the same sentence it says that UNL88 is $1.99, which a type of fuel that is 85% gasoline and which all gasoline cars after 2001 can use. I also cited the Regular price, which older vehicles can use.

Worse yet, AATW accused me of selectively picking data, an accusation that is ironic, given their own selective quoting of my statement. This is not just misleading; it's outright deceitful.

This kind of selective misrepresentation is similar to how the BBC mischaracterized Trump's speech by ignoring critical context, such as his mention of three states just two minutes earlier. It seems AATW is following in similar footsteps. If you are going to critique my argument, at least do so honestly. Don't manipulate what I said to fit your narrative.

[Lord Dave]

So what you mean to say is that Trump meant that the typically cheap gas, UNL88, is cheap?

Tell me... What was UNL88 in January?  Because we can't say if it's cheaper if it isn't really cheaper, ya know? If it's always been lower than regular unleaded (it has) then its rather dishonest to compare the price of regular unleaded to UNL88 isn't it?

Just for fun, I looked up prices historic.  It's not easy as all the grades are lumped together.

But found this post.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/whats-the-deal-with-unleaded-88.376118/

$1.99 in 2023. Wow!  That prices that the price hasn't changed at all, right?