[AATW]

Yes, it's actually a good thing that an unqualified drunk is in charge of the military and regularly shares classified information on unsecured platforms with people who have no security clearance.

I’m quite enjoying Tom’s constant thisisfine.jpg meme responses. It’s hilarious that he thinks that because senior members of the US government have certain powers it’s fine for them to use those powers incompetently or even accidentally.
Obviously he doesn’t think that, but Tom’s gotta Tom

[Tom Bishop]

Yes, it's actually a good thing that an unqualified drunk is in charge of the military and regularly shares classified information on unsecured platforms with people who have no security clearance.

This is you and your side on this:

https://thedispatch.com/article/fact-check-hegseth-drinking-nato-press-conference/

Assessing Claims That Pete Hegseth Was Drinking at a Press Conference

Viral images appear to show a brown liquid but higher-definition videos indicate his beverage was clear.

The leftists, who you apparently admire, are saying the most retart things imaginable in complete desperation. Muh liquid is brown is exactly the sort of quality arguments I see from you guys. The above claim of drinking during a press conference comes from the editor-in-chief of a leftist rag, not just any random leftist.

This allegation of drinking is also apparently based on anonymous allegations of seeing him drunk at a bar:

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/pete-hegseth-trump-allegations-history-b2657456.html

Pete Hegseth accused of chanting ‘kill all Muslims’ on a drunken night out

Besides Hegseth drunkenly yelling the hateful Islamophobic chant, a whistelblower report alleged that he had to be stopped from storming a dancers’ stage at a Louisiana strip club.

Even if these anonymous sources were true, it's actually not illegal or unforgivable to get drunk at a bar. Considering that the Pentagon is not a bar, and you have no evidence of him treating it as one, it seems that these anonymous accusations which substitutes proof in your mind, actually proves that this take place in a designated area and that we are safe here.

I can predict your Puritan response on this and, frankly, it's extremely weird how you LARP as pro-prostitution and degeneracy in one post and then you LARP as a 1800's-era Puritan in the next. If you have an actual identity it is obscured by these constant morality LARPs.

[Lord Dave]

Yes, it's actually a good thing that an unqualified drunk is in charge of the military and regularly shares classified information on unsecured platforms with people who have no security clearance.

It's about transparency.  He feels plans and other things should be shared in an easy to access way so hackers, random strangers, foreign intelligence, etc... can all get the information.

[Tom Bishop]

Honk, AATW, and Lord Dave apparently have a worldview based on lies.

https://nypost.com/2024/12/04/us-news/trustee-denied-8-years-ago-that-defense-secretary-pick-pete-hegseth-was-ousted-from-veterans-group-over-drinking-misconduct/

[Lord Dave]

Honk, AATW, and Lord Dave apparently have a worldview based on lies.

https://nypost.com/2024/12/04/us-news/trustee-denied-8-years-ago-that-defense-secretary-pick-pete-hegseth-was-ousted-from-veterans-group-over-drinking-misconduct/

What now?
What's my world view? 

[AATW]

What now?
What's my world view?

Yeah, I don't know what he's going on about either. Maybe Tom is drunk.

[Tom Bishop]

The leftist worldview, which you subscribe to, is based on lies. It is constantly contradicted by the truth.

Once you have something more than anonymous sources and poor quality arguments let me know. As it is, these arguments reek of desperation.

[garygreen]

apparently only leftists believe in due process and free trade and basic operational security. who knew?

[DuncanDoenitz]

Here's a few random out-of-context quotes from someone over just the last 2 days of posts; 

"Liberal media ..."
"Liberal trash article ...."
"Leftist comedy websites ..."
"the Leftist 'they lie about everything' argument"
"the Leftists .... saying the most retartet (sic) things"
"Leftist worldview .....".

If I'm reading this right, then Trump, the Cabinet, Fox and Tom are Mainstream.  Everything else is extremism. 

[honk]

(responding to Tom)

Hegseth is known to be an alcoholic based on numerous reports from numerous witnesses, not just one allegation. He also didn't deny that he drank too much at his confirmation hearing, instead only saying that he'd stop drinking if he were confirmed. A weirdly conditional promise like that already raises some major red flags - surely an alcoholic who recognizes their problem and is ready to get better would want to quit drinking regardless of whether or not they were confirmed - but in any case, I don't believe that any alcoholic is going to stop drinking immediately after beginning an extremely stressful new job with an enormous amount of responsibility. So, yeah, I'm confident that Hegseth is still drinking, although of course I can't prove it.

I'm not responsible for any dumb or incorrect thing some guy on Twitter said, and I don't need to defend him or otherwise answer for him. You keep trying to push this weird idea that everyone who criticizes Trump is on the same "team," and shares the responsibility whenever one of them makes a mistake. That's obviously not how this works, and it's an especially dubious strategy given the caliber of many vocal Trump supporters. I don't expect you to answer for Ben Shapiro's idiocy, Matt Walsh's creepiness, or Kanye West's insanity (to give just three examples) simply because they too are Trump supporters and you're therefore responsible for them.

[Tom Bishop]

Actually drinking is a legal activity which many adults safely participate in. Hegseth pledged not to drink so that as Secretary of Defense he would be available 24/7:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pete-hegseth-back-scrutiny-grows-misconduct-allegations/story?id=116444894

North Dakota Republican Sen. Kevin Cramer said he was encouraged by Hegseth's pledge in their private meeting Wednesday to abstain from alcohol as defense secretary.

"He said, 'My commitment is to not touch alcohol while I have this position,'" said Cramer, who lost a son to alcohol addiction in 2018.

"I said, 'It's really important that we have a clear-eyed secretary of defense if the phone rings at 3 in the morning.'" Cramer said. He said Hegseth replied that he would be clear-eyed at "3 in the morning, 3 in the afternoon, and every hour in between."

Cramer said Hegseth told him there were times when he "drank too much, but never times that I drank too much and anything improper happened."

I don't see an issue with this. He wasn't needed around the clock in his previous jobs, but now he is. Hegseth said that in the past he would drink heavily, but never admitted to a drinking problem:

https://www.newsweek.com/everything-pete-hegseth-said-wrote-book-interviews-alcohol-use-pledge-quit-drunk-1995945

"First of all, I've never had a drinking problem," Hegseth said. "No one's ever approached me and said, 'You should really look at getting help for drinking.' Never, never sought counseling, never sought help, but I respect and appreciate people who do. But you know, what do guys do when they come back from war oftentimes? Have some beers. How do you deal with the demons you see on the battlefield? Sometimes it's with a bottle."

...In an August 2021 appearance on The Will Cain Show podcast, Hegseth said: "I'd look around at 10 o'clock and be like, 'What am I going to do today? How about I drink some beers? How about I go have some lunch and have some beers? How about I meet my one or two buddies and have some beers?'"

"And one beer leads to many, leads to self-medication, leads to 'I've earned this.' Like, 'don't tell me I can't,'" he said.

When Cain asked Hegseth if he drank heavily after returning from combat, Hegseth said: "Oh yeah."

And in his book, In the Arena, published in 2016, Hegseth describes how he had once crafted a "pious caricature" of himself, involving abstaining from vices including alcohol, which he admits was often misleading.

He wrote: "I barely trust someone who doesn't enjoy a few drinks and won't drop a well-placed f-bomb."

Hegseth sounds pretty down to earth to me, and more accurately represents a member of the military than a stiff bureaucrat.

I'm not responsible for any dumb or incorrect thing some guy on Twitter said, and I don't need to defend him or otherwise answer for him. You keep trying to push this weird idea that everyone who criticizes Trump is on the same "team," and shares the responsibility whenever one of them makes a mistake.

Considering that there is zero content here from you guys which is actually original, and you are merely copy-pasting from the wider liberal narrative, their mistakes do become your issue. It shows that your worldview is based on these countless little lies and misinterpretations. It also wasn't merely a "guy on twitter". It was an editor-in-chief of a liberal media organization with millions of subscribers, the very organizations being criticized.

[Lord Dave]

Why am I lumped into your MAGA talking point parotting, Tom?  I never even knew Pete Hegseth was disciplined for being drunk or alleged.  I heard the rumors if him being an alcoholic but never gave them much thought.  His current actions speak louder that ones from a past I care little about

[Pete Svarrior]

No, guys, haha, this is totally what you believe. This is what you believe and you are stupid for believing it. How silly of you to believe it, by the way.

[Lord Dave]

Hmmm...
Do I believe you're right? 

[Pete Svarrior]

Yes.

[Lord Dave]

Welp, can't argue with that!

Damn... I hate being silly and stupid for believing it.

[AATW]

This is an interesting choice of a comeback, considering that you have an avatar of an internet troll.

That isn't even true. Can you literally not get anything right? It's just a posh gentleman meme.
https://meme.fandom.com/wiki/Feel_Like_a_Sir

Your response is basically "no u", and you've not even got that right. Dear me.

The Trump/Johnson "lies" argument is objectively false and silly.

Yes yes, you just keep telling yourself you can see 5 fingers. There's a good cult member.
You may fool yourself, you don't fool us.

We are supposed to believe that they walk around irrationally lying

It's not irrational. With Johnson it's strategic, with Trump I'm not sure he even knows what the truth is.
It's hilarious that you continue to pretend you're winning arguments - you generally walk away from a thread when you've been humiliated declaring yourself the winner.

Your constant thisisfine.jpg meme is fooling no-one. It's a bit embarrassing watching you flail around trying to justify the unjustifiable.
People would have some respect for you on here if you admitted when your cult leader makes a mistake.
The mental backflips you keep doing to pretend he's infallible make you look ridiculous.
Yes yes, your side "won" - I just wonder how bad things have to get in the US before you stop to consider than it was a pyrrhic victory.

[AATW]

What's that you say? Not as many people want to go and visit an authoritarian regime?

https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-today/article/a-road-less-travelled-why-tourists-are-shunning-trumps-america-62qqfvmgx

Tourism is another industry Trump has taken a wrecking ball to, inadvertently in this case.

[Lord Dave]

That hits Florida more than anyone who relies on tourist taxes instead of sales tax.  Or income tax, I forget which....

[Tom Bishop]

This is an interesting choice of a comeback, considering that you have an avatar of an internet troll.

That isn't even true. Can you literally not get anything right? It's just a posh gentleman meme.
https://meme.fandom.com/wiki/Feel_Like_a_Sir

Your response is basically "no u", and you've not even got that right. Dear me.

Had you read your own link you would have seen that it is a Rage Comic caricature, which we all know originated on 4Chan and is famous for the troll memes, troll comics, and "U Mad Bro" slogans and similar trolls.

Even if you didn't know that history, you should have gotten an inference from the content of the article you posted: "The hacker group LulzSec, founded in early May 2011, used a modified version of the rage comic character for their official logo with a glass of red wine added to the image."

The LulzSec hacker group, who hacked organizations for the "lulz", uses your avatar as a form of trolling and mockery. What does this tell you? It's a troll meme.

It's not irrational. With Johnson it's strategic, with Trump I'm not sure he even knows what the truth is.
It's hilarious that you continue to pretend you're winning arguments - you generally walk away from a thread when you've been humiliated declaring yourself the winner.

Your constant thisisfine.jpg meme is fooling no-one. It's a bit embarrassing watching you flail around trying to justify the unjustifiable.
People would have some respect for you on here if you admitted when your cult leader makes a mistake.
The mental backflips you keep doing to pretend he's infallible make you look ridiculous.
Yes yes, your side "won" - I just wonder how bad things have to get in the US before you stop to consider than it was a pyrrhic victory.

This is an oddly ironic form of projection. You are on Team Woke which is trying to convince normal people that that men can be women, that abortion is just fine, that mass migration is beneficial, and yet you think that the other side is a cult.