[Lord Dave]

1. Clean up your dumpster fire quotes.

B. Watch the video with Chansley. You will see him go into the Senate Chamber.

III. I will post a screenshot of the Twitter feed when I get home.

d. You will apologize after that.

1. I did.  Sorry about that.
B. I did.  At no point does he walk into the Senate chamber.  Maybe out a timestamp where you see him do that?

Iii. I look forward to seeing that.  I'll do the same on mine if you want.

d. So far you've failed to show me shit.  Every video has been fromafter 3pm that day.  Except Dr. Gold who posted between 2pm and 3pm.

[Action80]

Christina Bobb's original X feed post

In case you claim you cannot see that X post also.

Violent insurrectionists in single file

In the video of Jacob Chansley, he is clearly seen in Senate Chamber from 1:16 to 1:19 praying in the Sneate Chamber.

I do not know why you are lying, but you are clearly lying.

Just STFU, okay?

[Lord Dave]

Christina Bobb's original X feed post

In case you claim you cannot see that X post also.

Violent insurrectionists in single file

In the video of Jacob Chansley, he is clearly seen in Senate Chamber from 1:16 to 1:19 praying in the Sneate Chamber.

I do not know why you are lying, but you are clearly lying.

Just STFU, okay?

First link
https://imgur.com/a/qgNRiCN

-edit- ok, so it doesn't show up if you aren't logged in.  So I made a junk account just to view it.  Hope you're happy.

Image works.

So why can you see it but not me?  Curious...could be European Data laws blocking it.  Or I'm not logged in and it's blocked from people not logged in.  Or I'm on a phone.  Will have to test on my PC.


I never denied he was in the Senate chamber.  I'm asking for the video of police escorting him there.  Especially since I didn't see any capitol police there in the Senate chamber. 
All I saw was two cops following him in the halls, they open a door, he walks in, then it cuts to the Senate chamber with a bunch of the rioters there.  That's it.  So nothing showing me cops escorting him in.  And I will go find the video of the police escorting him so I can show you where he's going but given those two cops escort him out the Senate carriage door... I'm gonna guess he's being taken out, not in.

[Action80]

I never denied he was in the Senate chamber.

Yeah, you did deny it.

At no point in that clip do they show police escorting him into the Senate chamber. 

Everyone can clearly see you are lying here LD.

I even gave the time stamps.

Whether you can see it or not is irrelevant to everyone else.

Selective blindness is cool though, mirite?

[Lord Dave]

I never denied he was in the Senate chamber.

Yeah, you did deny it.

At no point in that clip do they show police escorting him into the Senate chamber. 

Everyone can clearly see you are lying here LD.

I even gave the time stamps.

Whether you can see it or not is irrelevant to everyone else.

Selective blindness is cool though, mirite?

I bolded the bit that's actually important.  I never claimed he never stod in the senate chamber.  I'd have been shocked if he didn't.  But you claimed the police escorted him there.


Now, as for the other video, the one I couldn't see until now. 
I gotta say, that's damning evidence.  It made me start to question.  I mean, police in the background, police in the hallway... its pretty convincing.  I can understand why you'd cling to that as evidence.

But I thought to myself... that's odd isn't it?  Why would they have FBI posing as MAGA to break windows so people can get in, cops handcuffing people so they can escort them inside, AND police opening doors so people can come inside.  That didn't make any sense, especially when they only needed the FBI agents.


So I decided to look at it from another angle.

Oh look, found one.
https://cha.house.gov/cha-subcommittee-reading-room-fe781e74-d577-4f64-93cc-fc3a8dd8df18
0126USCS01UpperWestTerrace_2021-01-06_14h30min01s820ms_1.mp4

Now, i KNOW you don't watch these videos.  If you did, you'd have commented that the links go to the main page.  But if you DO watch that video, at 3:20, you can see alot of people moving pass the door (this is the same door your video guy walks in)  Then some of those guys walk down an dopen the door.  The cops are... powerless to stop them so they don't bother.  The door opens, some come in, then more and more pour in.  Then at about 5:55, some more police show up to the door while poeple come in.  Those same cops your video shows standing by.  They CLEARLY didn't open the door since, you know, they weren't there when people were comming in.

Then there's a pause... No more people comming in now that the cops are there.  You'd think they'd want them to just keep comming but nope.  Then they come back into frame being PUSHED by the mob.


And in case you doubt its the same video...

Look at this guy.  SAME GUY in both videos.




So, no, they didn't let anyone in.  One of the protesters opened the door.
Probably one of these three.

[Action80]

LD, I appreciate your "expert," [/sarcasm] analysis from over 5000 miles away, while you cannot even get Twitter to work.

One more time. You lose. I win.

[honk]

I have no problem believing that at a certain point, the police probably just gave up trying to physically stop the participants. The events of the day lasted several hours, remember. To demand that every cop should have been spending every second of that time actively trying to physically stop the participants - which is exactly what's being implied when you present cherry-picked moments of cops not actively trying to physically stop the protestors and insist that it's indicative of a setup - just isn't reasonable.

[Lord Dave]

LD, I appreciate your "expert," [/sarcasm] analysis from over 5000 miles away, while you cannot even get Twitter to work.

One more time. You lose. I win.

Like I said, got twitter working and saw the video.  But why was he Handuffed? 
Face it, I win, you're living a lie.

I have no problem believing that at a certain point, the police probably just gave up trying to physically stop the participants. The events of the day lasted several hours, remember. To demand that every cop should have been spending every second of that time actively trying to physically stop the participants - which is exactly what's being implied when you present cherry-picked moments of cops not actively trying to physically stop the protestors and insist that it's indicative of a setup - just isn't reasonable.

Especially when you're outnumbered 100:1

[DuncanDoenitz]

If one intimidated cop opened a door for an entering protester (which I think is untrue) would that stop the event being a riot, an insurrection, an attempt by a mob to overthrow the Constitution? 

This is supposed to be a discussion about the big orange man-baby, so can you two just get a room.  If he has any moral compass whatever A80 will pick up the tab.

[Tom Bishop]

If one intimidated cop opened a door for an entering protester (which I think is untrue) would that stop the event being a riot, an insurrection, an attempt by a mob to overthrow the Constitution?

If a cop is intimidated for his life, he has a weapon to use. The discharge of a weapon did, in fact, turn back the crowd.

The Capitol Police are there to protect the Capitol and allowing a mob into the premise to get at the VIPs is seriously unacceptable. I sincerely doubt that honk or Lord Dave believe what they claim, or would think that it's okay for perimeter police to let a mob into the Harris White House to get at President Kamala Harris. This is an obvious Liberal LARP, in which one attempts to argue the leftist justification position no matter what and makes poor arguments for internet liberal points.

[Lord Dave]

If one intimidated cop opened a door for an entering protester (which I think is untrue) would that stop the event being a riot, an insurrection, an attempt by a mob to overthrow the Constitution?

If a cop is intimidated for his life, he has a weapon to use. The discharge of a weapon did, in fact, turn back the crowd.

The Capitol Police are there to protect the Capitol and allowing a mob into the premise to get at the VIPs is seriously unacceptable. I sincerely doubt that honk or Lord Dave believe what they claim, or would think that it's okay for perimeter police to let a mob into the Harris White House to get at President Kamala Harris. This is an obvious Liberal LARP, in which one attempts to argue the leftist justification position no matter what and makes poor arguments for internet liberal points.

Only SS had guns, I believe.

And I don't think they let the mob in, but they were powerless to stop said mob.  100:1 odds never go over well.

[honk]

If a cop is intimidated for his life, he has a weapon to use. The discharge of a weapon did, in fact, turn back the crowd.

The Capitol Police are there to protect the Capitol and allowing a mob into the premise to get at the VIPs is seriously unacceptable. I sincerely doubt that honk or Lord Dave believe what they claim, or would think that it's okay for perimeter police to let a mob into the Harris White House to get at President Kamala Harris. This is an obvious Liberal LARP, in which one attempts to argue the leftist justification position no matter what and makes poor arguments for internet liberal points.

The members of Congress had been evacuated from the Capitol fairly quickly, so at a certain point the police probably figured that it was better to let the protesters in and allow them to damage the building rather than put their own lives at risk by starting a fight that they had no chance of winning. I don't know what you're talking about by claiming that discharging a weapon was what deterred the crowd. There was no one specific thing that stopped the protest. Like I said, the events of the day lasted several hours, long past the shooting of Ashli Babbitt, and the protest wasn't brought to a full end until reinforcements with riot gear who were actually equipped to physically deal with large numbers of unruly people cleared the last of the protesters out. From the perspective of the cops originally on the scene, taking out their guns and shooting the protesters could have very easily gotten themselves killed, and if it hadn't, might have led to them being vilified and/or prosecuted as murderers. I also don't know what your musing about Kamala Harris being the president has to do with any of this.

[Lord Dave]

https://www.npr.org/2025/03/14/g-s1-54054/arlington-national-cemetery-dei-website

Apparnetly Trump REALLY hates non-white male military history.

[markjo]

It looks like it really does pay to support Trump.

[Action80]

Only SS had guns, I believe.

A Secret Service agent shot Ashley Babbitt?

[Lord Dave]

Only SS had guns, I believe.

A Secret Service agent shot Ashley Babbitt?

Apparently not.  Thought they did but it was capitol police.

[Action80]

So Capitol Police were armed (THEY ALWAYS ARE!) and could have simply deterred the "violent insurrectionists," by uttering 4 simple words: "STOP OR I"LL SHOOT!!!"

Remember all that whining you and the others performed in the "Are the American Police Out of Control," thread?

Stop fucking trolling the subject, LD.

[Tom Bishop]

Only SS had guns, I believe.

Source? This government Capitol Police January 6 Use of Force Report doesn't say that they didn't have guns. It says that many claimed that they were hesitant to use force for fear of disciplinary action.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/capitol-police-january-6-use-of-force-report/

Government report finds officers were "hesitant" to use force on Jan. 6 for fear of disciplinary action

...'Roughly a quarter of those surveyed were "discouraged or hesitant to use force because of a fear of disciplinary actions." Several respondents noted they did not feel empowered to make decisions on use of force without approval by supervisors and conceded that "optics were affecting security decisions."

"I saw too many instances where officers were questioning whether they could use force because they were afraid of getting in trouble," noted one officer in the survey. "If ever there was a time when force is appropriate, a mob violently forcing their way into the Capitol would be it."'

As remarked by an officer above, this is a terrible excuse.

The members of Congress had been evacuated from the Capitol fairly quickly, so at a certain point the police probably figured that it was better to let the protesters in and allow them to damage the building rather than put their own lives in risk by starting a fight that they had no chance of winning.

The VIPs were not secured. I don't know why you are making things up. There is video of top democrat leader Chuck Schumer running through the halls of Congress, narrowly missing the mob.

https://www.lohud.com/in-depth/news/2022/01/04/january-6-capitol-protest-congress-members-recall-escape/6493506001/

'Moments later, Schumer was running alongside his security detail through the bowels of the Capitol, narrowly missing the angry mob of insurrectionists nearby, as video released Feb. 11 during the second impeachment trial of Trump showed.

"I was within 20 feet of these insurrection(ists), I’m not allowed to curse, but ‘sons of guns,'" Schumer described now a year later. "Had one of them had a gun, had two of them blocked off the door, who knows what would have happened."'

I don't know what you're talking about by claiming that discharging a weapon was what deterred the crowd. There was no one specific thing that stopped the protest. Like I said, the events of the day lasted several hours, long past the shooting of Ashli Babbitt, and the protest wasn't brought to a full end until reinforcements with riot gear who were actually equipped to physically deal with large numbers of unruly people cleared the last of the protesters out.

After the Asley Babbit shooting the massive crowd of people in that wing turned back and left. There is well publicized video of this, taken from people within the crowd, which I am certain you are aware of. Stop LARPing. If there were people still in other distant wings after that, it is irrelevant to this demonstration that firearms worked to deter the crowd.

[Lord Dave]

So Capitol Police were armed (THEY ALWAYS ARE!) and could have simply deterred the "violent insurrectionists," by uttering 4 simple words: "STOP OR I"LL SHOOT!!!"

Remember all that whining you and the others performed in the "Are the American Police Out of Control," thread?

Stop fucking trolling the subject, LD.

Then why didn't Asley Babbit stop?  Obviously uttering 4 words didn't help. 

But I was under the impression that secret Service was protecting the VIPs and that capitol police only had batons, which is why so many got assaulted.

But now I agree with you: they should have used them and killed as many MAGA traitors as possible.  None of them would have stopped at the mere verbal warning.  They needed to be shot.  As many as possible.  They were all a threat and should have been put down like the dogs they are.  Can't pardon the dead back to life.

That is what you're saying, right?  That Capitol police should have used deadly force as soon as possible?

[Action80]

That's the thing in this case, like I've been saying.

The four words were never uttered in the case of Ashley Babbitt.

The other thing you are forgetting (perhaps not, you probably just have no real clue) is that the US Capitol is a traditional public forum, and the citizens of the United States have a constitutional right to air their grievances in such a forum.

There will come a day when I will be the one airing my grievances.

Paraphrasing LD: "let BLM and Antifa do whatever the fuck they want, can't shoot them", but people with a legitimate grievance (the election in 2020 was a total joke, regardless of the amount of nonsense propaganda you want to push) need to be summarily shot!"

Stick your bullshit back in your sock.