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« Reply #12380 on: March 02, 2025, 12:55:26 PM »
I read the whole article. You denied there was such a thing as a Jewish Nazi, when it is quite evident there were many.

Nobody is appeasing anybody.

You and the ilk just want war, and most people who live in the United States do not.

Fair enough, but that was out of fear or national loyalty, as you pointed out.

Zelensky has neither to the Nazi Party.  It was also before knowledge of the genocide was wide spread.

So again... Why is he a Jewish nazi?

Also, when did he invade Russia?

And yes, appeasement: cease fire so we can agree to let Russia keep the land they currently have and regroup their forces for another big push.
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« Reply #12381 on: March 02, 2025, 02:13:40 PM »
Zelensky doesn't want peace. That is a fact.
It’s the opposite of a fact.
Obviously he wants peace. For a what possible reason would he want the war to continue?
But he doesn’t want peace at any cost. One way of achieving peace would be to surrender. That isn’t acceptable to him or the Ukrainian people, and it’s bizarre that Trump thinks this whole situation is somehow Zelensky’s fault.
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« Reply #12382 on: March 02, 2025, 02:44:07 PM »
Russia could surrender and pull out.  Instant peace.  Why don't they do that?
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« Reply #12383 on: March 02, 2025, 02:52:16 PM »
Russia could surrender and pull out.  Instant peace.  Why don't they do that?
Putin is a little busy right now being fellated by Trump.
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« Reply #12384 on: March 02, 2025, 02:57:43 PM »
Russia invaded because the US Democrats were seeking economic and military control over Ukrainian resources. This started with the overthrow of the legitimate government in the Ukraine back in 2014.

Trump is not seeking military control in Ukraine, simply economic controls over select minerals located in Ukraine.

It is Zelensky's fault because he could have signed the economic agreement weeks ago.

The ilk here want to support Zelensky, despite no free elections in the Ukraine, and that is exactly why he is a Nazi.

Let that sink in.
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« Reply #12385 on: March 02, 2025, 06:05:10 PM »
The ilk here want to support Zelensky, despite no free elections in the Ukraine, and that is exactly why he is a Nazi.
When is the last time that Russia had free elections?  What does that make Putin?
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« Reply #12386 on: March 02, 2025, 07:12:25 PM »
Russia invaded because the US Democrats were seeking economic and military control over Ukrainian resources. This started with the overthrow of the legitimate government in the Ukraine back in 2014.

Trump is not seeking military control in Ukraine, simply economic controls over select minerals located in Ukraine.

It is Zelensky's fault because he could have signed the economic agreement weeks ago.

The ilk here want to support Zelensky, despite no free elections in the Ukraine, and that is exactly why he is a Nazi.

Let that sink in.

Democrats wanted military control.  And so Russia launched a preemptive strike.  And Biden, being the shewed people they are, decided the best solution is to drag out the war instead of sending in troops, until Trump came in who will happily end the war under the condition that Ukraine give up mineral rights to the US while also allowing Russia to keep some of its taken territory.

Yeah...sounds totally legit.
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« Reply #12387 on: March 02, 2025, 08:48:44 PM »
The ilk here want to support Zelensky, despite no free elections in the Ukraine, and that is exactly why he is a Nazi.
Action69 is dishonestly misrepresenting something shock exclusive.
The UK generally have elections every 4 or 5 years.
We had one in 1910 and then not till 1918
Similarly we had one in 1935 and then not again till 1945.

Just have a think and see if you can remember what happened in those periods (hint - 1914-1918 and 1939-1945) which might have made holding elections impractical.

63% of people support Zelensky
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/47601

That's a damn sight higher than Trump's...
 
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« Reply #12388 on: March 02, 2025, 08:55:44 PM »
The ilk here want to support Zelensky, despite no free elections in the Ukraine, and that is exactly why he is a Nazi.
Action69 is dishonestly misrepresenting something shock exclusive.
The UK generally have elections every 4 or 5 years.
We had one in 1910 and then not till 1918
Similarly we had one in 1935 and then not again till 1945.

Just have a think and see if you can remember what happened in those periods (hint - 1914-1918 and 1939-1945) which might have made holding elections impractical.

63% of people support Zelensky
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/47601

That's a damn sight higher than Trump's...

The Ukrainian government was busy handing out weapons to the civilian population to defend their lives and homes against the murderous orc army invading their country. They had to delay their elections.

If the Russians want peace, all they have to do is leave Ukraine, all of Ukraine.
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« Reply #12389 on: March 03, 2025, 06:42:25 AM »
Last time I checked, Putin isn't the one speaking about democracy as if it is something that he stood for anyway...but the last election was held in March of 2024.

And Zelensky has lost his popularity in his own country. That is what matters.

Starmer is selling the UK out over some short, Jewish, Nazi, comedian.
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« Reply #12390 on: March 03, 2025, 07:58:46 AM »
the last election was held in March of 2024.
The last “election”.
You aren’t seriously arguing that Russia’s elections are free and fair are you?

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And Zelensky has lost his popularity in his own country. That is what matters.
Can you evidence that?
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« Reply #12391 on: March 03, 2025, 08:55:06 AM »
The only evidence I see that Russian elections are not free or fair, come from the ilk, i.e., warmongering, regime-changing, lying, globester, asshats, who got us in this position in the first place.



You people in the UK cannot even pray in your own streets. I suggest you try to fix the state of affairs in your own country, rather than worry about some clown, Jewish, Nazi.
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« Reply #12392 on: March 03, 2025, 09:33:33 AM »
......... some short, Jewish, Nazi, comedian.


Could you be a little more specific about exactly which of these qualities do you have a problem with in a Statesman?

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« Reply #12393 on: March 03, 2025, 09:35:40 AM »
Some more of why Jewish, Nazi's shouldn't be allowed to run shit.

"Churches are not to be touched!' Pope Francis said after Ukraine approved a law banning churches tied to Russia.

Sure sounds like a proponent for freedom

"Zelenskiy says parties such as Viktor Medvedchuk’s Opposition Platform for Life are ‘aimed at division or collusion"

No wonder Starmer loves this guy!

"President Zelenskyy has consolidated all TV platforms in Ukraine into one state broadcast and restricted political rivals. Political opposition fears such civil liberty constraints could continue."

Guys like AATW want to provide UKRAINIAN MEDIA as sources for the popularity of the dictator Zelensky! LMMFAO!!!! You can't make this shit up!!!

Next thing you know, he'll be trying to tell us all the earth is a globe!!! Just watch...
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« Reply #12394 on: March 03, 2025, 03:19:49 PM »
The only evidence I see that Russian elections are not free or fair, come from the ilk, i.e., warmongering, regime-changing, lying, globester, asshats, who got us in this position in the first place.

Ok, how about a little zetetic research. Start an account on Russia's VK and post the words 'Putin sucks and we shouldn't have invaded Ukraine.' You can experience Russia's freedom first hand.
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« Reply #12395 on: March 03, 2025, 06:15:26 PM »
None of you have provided a  justification or reason for why Trump must continue sending hundreds of billions of American tax dollars to Ukraine while Europe continues to give beans. You seem to want me to give because I can, and that I should care more about this war than the many other wars between nations over the last decade where I didn't give. Therefore, without a compelling reason for funding, funding should stop.

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« Reply #12396 on: March 03, 2025, 06:19:58 PM »
None of you have provided a compelling justification or reason for why Trump must continue sending hundreds of billions of American tax dollars to Ukraine while Europe continues to give beans. Therefore, without a compelling reason to do so, he shouldn't.
He said he'd be tough on Russia.  Which I assume not backing down in Ukraine.
Hundreds of Billions?  Biden has sent, to date, $65.9 Billion.  Less than 100.
Ukraine has vast mineral rights that would be offered up a good deal to whoever helps save Ukraine but if Russia wins, they get it all.
Trump is showing himself to be on the side of dictators.  If he wishes to change that, he needs to help.
Finally: Russia may decide to come after America eventually.  If they win against Ukraine, the other former Soviet Union countries are soon to follow and that will make Russia more powerful.
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« Reply #12397 on: March 03, 2025, 06:48:07 PM »
why Trump must continue sending hundreds of billions of American tax dollars to Ukraine while Europe continues to give beans
Look, I know inflation has been going crazy in the US, but your beans don't yet cost three hundred billion a pop. Eggs, however...
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« Reply #12398 on: March 03, 2025, 06:50:08 PM »
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He said he'd be tough on Russia.  Which I assume not backing down in Ukraine.

Being "tough on Russia" implies that we are defending American interests. With the uncovered involvement of democrat financial interests in that country, ie. the Hunter Biden ordeal, it is hard to argue that Ukraine is in the interest of the average American.

What are these American interests with Ukraine that justify invoking war with Russia, exactly? Biden was giving Ukraine money that has killed many Russians and gave Ukraine missiles to launch into Russia. It is very difficult to see why  Ukraine's problems should be America's problems.

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Hundreds of Billions?  Biden has sent, to date, $65.9 Billion.  Less than 100.

First line:

https://www.ukraineoversight.gov/Funding/ - "Congress appropriated $174.2 billion through the five Ukraine supplemental appropriation acts"

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Ukraine has vast mineral rights that would be offered up a good deal to whoever helps save Ukraine but if Russia wins, they get it all.

Minerals only came up to justify how America is going to be paid back for all of its support. We did not get involved with Ukraine's war for this "good deal".
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« Reply #12399 on: March 03, 2025, 07:47:43 PM »
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He said he'd be tough on Russia.  Which I assume not backing down in Ukraine.

Being "tough on Russia" implies that we are defending American interests. With the uncovered involvement of democrat financial interests in that country, ie. the Hunter Biden ordeal, it is hard to argue that Ukraine is in the interest of the average American.

What are these American interests with Ukraine that justify invoking war with Russia, exactly? Biden was giving Ukraine money that has killed many Russians and gave Ukraine missiles to launch into Russia. It is very difficult to see why this should continue.
I mean... if its all about money, then we should just let China and Russia take over all of Europe.  Why not?  Its not like having one of our enemies control vast amounts of food and energy is going to cause issues for America in the future.  We should also stop supporting Israel as they have no benefit to American interests.


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Hundreds of Billions?  Biden has sent, to date, $65.9 Billion.  Less than 100.

First line:

https://www.ukraineoversight.gov/Funding/ - "Congress appropriated $174.2 billion through the five Ukraine supplemental appropriation acts"
And if you look at table 3:
https://media.defense.gov/2025/Feb/14/2003647338/-1/-1/0/OAR_Q1_DEC2024_FINAL_508_2.PDF#page=29

You'll notice that we've given $83,430.46
The rest is appropriated but not distributed.  Still under the "Hundreds of billions" you claim.

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Ukraine has vast mineral rights that would be offered up a good deal to whoever helps save Ukraine but if Russia wins, they get it all.

Minerals only came up to justify how America is going to be paid back for all of its support. We did not get involved with Ukraine's war for this "good deal".
Ahhh... so America is no longer a fighter for freedom but a fighter for profit.  Good to know.
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