[Tom Bishop]

I'm fine if things break.

Probably because you don't immediately need any of the services which will break.
But fuck poor people and the vulnerable, amirite?
#GOPJesus

Correct. If others must suffer to fix government spending, it is a sacrifice worth making.

[AATW]

You're saying the quiet bit out loud again, dude!

[Lord Dave]

I'm fine if things break.

Probably because you don't immediately need any of the services which will break.
But fuck poor people and the vulnerable, amirite?
#GOPJesus

Correct. If others must suffer to fix government spending, it is a sacrifice worth making.

Just curious... What DO you do for a living?  Because after over 15 years, I can only assume you live off someone else's money.

[Tom Bishop]

You're saying the quiet bit out loud again, dude!

Interesting. A couple posts prior you claimed that you didn't care about how the degradation of services affected others:

I'm not bawwing about anything.
The further degradation of services affects you, not me.

Maybe you should stop constantly LARPing as a justice warrior on the behalf of others. It's disgusting.

[AATW]

You're saying the quiet bit out loud again, dude!

Interesting. A couple posts prior you claimed that that didn't care about how the degradation of services affected others

No, I said I wasn't "bawwing" - not that I really know what that means. I suspect you don't either.
And I pointed out that degradation of services affects you more than me.
I never said I didn't care. I mean, it's probably not the thing I care about most in the world but if it affects vulnerable people then I think that's a bad thing.
It's weird how proud you are of not caring about other people and how much delight you seem to take in hurting the vulnerable.
Now that is disgusting.

[markjo]

Correct. If others must suffer to fix government spending, it is a sacrifice worth making.

How much are you willing to suffer to fix government spending?  How much do you think that Trump or Musk are willing to suffer?  Or are you okay with it as long as it's "others" that do the suffering?  You can bet that none of Trump's billionaire buddies are going to suffer.

[Tom Bishop]

Just curious... What DO you do for a living?

That is for me to know.

I never said I didn't care. I mean, it's probably not the thing I care about most in the world but if it affects vulnerable people then I think that's a bad thing.

Nice. I, also, care very little.

How much are you willing to suffer to fix government spending?  How much do you think that Trump or Musk are willing to suffer?  Or are you okay with it as long as it's "others" that do the suffering?

I am perfectly okay with any amount of hypothetical suffering. I don't see why I should care about this hypothetical suffering in your liberal uber-LARP.

[Lord Dave]

Just curious... What DO you do for a living?

That is for me to know.

I never said I didn't care. I mean, it's probably not the thing I care about most in the world but if it affects vulnerable people then I think that's a bad thing.

Nice. I, also, care very little.

How much are you willing to suffer to fix government spending?  How much do you think that Trump or Musk are willing to suffer?  Or are you okay with it as long as it's "others" that do the suffering?

I am perfectly okay with any amount of hypothetical suffering. I don't see why I should care about this hypothetical suffering in your liberal uber-LARP.

Ok.  So you're ok with your state losing all federal funding, ensuring cuts to every single service (like police), closure of schools, and the significant increase of state taxes?  Which affect you directly?

[Action80]

LD, I thought you and the ilk were ok with defunding the police?

[Lord Dave]

LD, I thought you and the ilk were ok with defunding the police?

I am not.
I am in favor of using police funds for non-violent conflict resolution experts as part of the police force.

[Action80]

I agree with your position.

I am hopeful Trump would support something along those lines also.

We really need to start a process of demilitarizing police forces across the world.

[Lord Dave]

I agree with your position.

I am hopeful Trump would support something along those lines also.

We really need to start a process of demilitarizing police forces across the world.

The world? 

Regardless, that's what "defend the police" stands for.  It's just that "transfer funds from LEO to conflict resolution people so we have less random shootings" isn't catchy.

And even if Trump supported it, it's a state and local municipality thing.  Best he could do is push funding for it.

[Lord Dave]

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/25/nx-s1-5308095/doge-staff-resignations-elon-musk

I guess DOGE isn't doing a good thing, is it?

[honk]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7435pnle0go

Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. Trump is desperate to impress Putin. No, don't even start with talking about how this has anything to do with strategy or the budget (the latter claim is especially unbelievable given how Trump and Republicans have now passed their enormous tax cuts for the rich). This is entirely personal and comes down to nothing more than Trump's fawning crush on Putin. That's literally all it is. Your big strong macho president is Putin's little bitch.

[Tom Bishop]

From that article:

First, the US opposed a European-drafted resolution condemning Moscow's actions and supporting Ukraine's territorial integrity - voting the same way as Russia and countries including North Korea and Belarus at the UN General Assembly (UNGA) in New York.

Then the US drafted and voted for a resolution at the UN Security Council which called for an end to the conflict, but contained no criticism of Russia.

Apparently honk wants the US to condemn and criticize Russia right before leading the peace talks between Russia and Ukraine. 

[Lord Dave]

From that article:

First, the US opposed a European-drafted resolution condemning Moscow's actions and supporting Ukraine's territorial integrity - voting the same way as Russia and countries including North Korea and Belarus at the UN General Assembly (UNGA) in New York.

Then the US drafted and voted for a resolution at the UN Security Council which called for an end to the conflict, but contained no criticism of Russia.

Apparently honk wants the US to condemn and criticize Russia right before leading the peace talks between Russia and Ukraine. 

1. Yes they should.  Sets the tone of "we do not agree with his invasion".
2. Trump is not involving Ukraine in the peace talks so how is he leading it?

Just call it what it is:
Trump is trying to negotiate Ukraine's surrender and subjugation by Russia.

[Tom Bishop]

1. Yes they should.  Sets the tone of "we do not agree with his invasion".
2. Trump is not involving Ukraine in the peace talks so how is he leading it?

Just call it what it is:
Trump is trying to negotiate Ukraine's surrender and subjugation by Russia.

Ukraine already lost. This is negotiating the terms of how much they will lose. A negotiator in such a situation would have to be seriously stupid to come into the room insulting and condemning Russia while trying to cartwheel a good deal for Ukraine.

[Lord Dave]

1. Yes they should.  Sets the tone of "we do not agree with his invasion".
2. Trump is not involving Ukraine in the peace talks so how is he leading it?

Just call it what it is:
Trump is trying to negotiate Ukraine's surrender and subjugation by Russia.

Ukraine already lost. This is negotiating the terms of how much they will lose. A negotiator in such a situation would have to be seriously stupid to come into the room insulting and condemning Russia while trying to cartwheel a good deal for Ukraine.

By what metric are you saying they lost?  Has their capital fallen?  Is their leader captured? 

[Tom Bishop]

By what metric are you saying they lost?  Has their capital fallen?  Is their leader captured?

They lost when it was shown that they couldn't defend themselves without tens of billions in military assistance and foreign aid, and when it became clear that no one would actually get involved directly in the war to help them. The aid can't last forever.

America has been providing the bulk of the money out of any country, and we don't want to pay anymore with this new administration. Ukraine is lucky that there is any effort from Trump and the US to negotiate on their behalf at all. This is a generous parting gift. The mantra of conservative nationalism otherwise says to leave them alone to handle their own affairs and not get America involved in foreign wars.

[Lord Dave]

By what metric are you saying they lost?  Has their capital fallen?  Is their leader captured?

They lost when it was shown that they couldn't defend themselves without tens of billions in military assistance and foreign aid, and when it became clear that no one would actually get involved directly in the war to help them. The aid can't last forever.

America has been providing the bulk of the money out of any country, and we don't want to pay anymore with this new administration. Ukraine is lucky that there is any effort from Trump and the US to negotiate on their behalf at all. This is a generous parting gift. The mantra of conservative nationalism otherwise says to leave them alone to handle their own affairs and not get America involved in foreign wars.

This is a terrible way to say someone lost.
By this definition, America lost the American Revolution as they needed aid from France.
The US and allies lost WW2 because they couldn't stop the Axis powers alone.

And I don't think having the guy pulling out support is a good idea to lead any peace talks as its clear they want you to lose.  They want your country taken.  They want Russia to win.