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« Reply #6140 on: September 10, 2020, 07:29:27 AM »
Well Trump was on the record with a reported before the pandemic shut down everything saying he not only knew how large and deadly a problem it was, but expressed his intention to lie about it. Not surprising I suppose. In real life Orwellian moments his press secretary said he wasn’t lying.

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« Reply #6141 on: September 10, 2020, 01:28:13 PM »
This is one of the dumber attacks on Trump. He said that he didn't want to incite panic. He still declared an emergency and enacted travel bans.

Those early reports were also wrong that it was significantly deadlier than the flu.
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« Reply #6142 on: September 10, 2020, 02:15:14 PM »
This is one of the dumber attacks on Trump. He said that he didn't want to incite panic. He still declared an emergency and enacted travel bans.

Those early reports were also wrong that it was significantly deadlier than the flu.

It is significantly deadlier than the flu.  Not on a per case basis, but based on it's ease of transmission.  Even with unprecedented efforts to reduce it's spread, there have been an extremely large number of cases which, despite it's low mortality rate, has seen more deaths than any flu season in the last 20 years at least. 

Regardless of what your opinion is on COVID-19, Trump was told it was deadlier than the flu and then based on this information, proceeded to lie about it.  Many of his lies are quite public and some of them hilariously juvenile.  Remember when he said it wasn't a pandemic and then said he knew it was all along?  I 'member.  Heap it on the pile of other lies.  Our Prime Minister managed to not incite panic and didn't have to resort to lies to do so.  It's about as feeble an excuse as I can imagine and a great example of the kind of post-hoc rationalization Trump often partakes in to justify his behaviour rather than say... acting responsibly.
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« Reply #6143 on: September 10, 2020, 02:29:59 PM »
This is one of the dumber attacks on Trump. He said that he didn't want to incite panic. He still declared an emergency and enacted travel bans.

Those early reports were also wrong that it was significantly deadlier than the flu.

No.  No they aren't.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

62,000 deaths from a single flu season vs 160,000+ deaths in the same time span.

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« Reply #6144 on: September 10, 2020, 04:12:09 PM »
This is one of the dumber attacks on Trump. He said that he didn't want to incite panic. He still declared an emergency and enacted travel bans.

Those early reports were also wrong that it was significantly deadlier than the flu.

No.  No they aren't.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

62,000 deaths from a single flu season vs 160,000+ deaths in the same time span.

Incorrect, and faulty comparison. The CDC admitted that those numbers were skewed.



Link: https://archive.is/U7Zrg
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« Reply #6145 on: September 10, 2020, 04:20:48 PM »
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Regardless of what your opinion is on COVID-19, Trump was told it was deadlier than the flu and then based on this information, proceeded to lie about it.

Not according to Dr. Fauci.



Oh no, your narrative.
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« Reply #6146 on: September 10, 2020, 04:24:37 PM »
The CDC was forced, a few weeks ago, to channel its data through the White house. That makes any "revision" of their data, post this event, instantly suspect.
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« Reply #6147 on: September 10, 2020, 04:29:37 PM »
Dr Hesse appears to be a chiropractor with no stated experience in infectious diseases or immunology.

Why should she be cited as a reliable source, especially since she has misstated what it says in the report?
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« Reply #6148 on: September 10, 2020, 04:37:27 PM »
Dr Hesse appears to be a chiropractor with no stated experience in infectious diseases or immunology.

Why should she be cited as a reliable source, especially since she has misstated what it says in the report?
Because it backs up what Tom believes.
Tom will never concede a point, and if only 9,000 people have died from Covid in the US then where the hell have all the excess deaths come from this year?
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« Reply #6149 on: September 10, 2020, 04:39:04 PM »
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Regardless of what your opinion is on COVID-19, Trump was told it was deadlier than the flu and then based on this information, proceeded to lie about it.

Not according to Dr. Fauci.

Oh no, your narrative.

I read the article, seems you didn’t. Fauci said based on the briefings they shared, he didn’t distort the impact. Now. This may surprise you, but POTUS would be briefed on a lot more information than Dr Fauci. Sorry to burst your bubble.

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« Reply #6150 on: September 10, 2020, 04:46:28 PM »
Dr Hesse appears to be a chiropractor with no stated experience in infectious diseases or immunology.

Why should she be cited as a reliable source, especially since she has misstated what it says in the report?

It didn’t take long to figure out that she was not including deaths with comorbidities.

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« Reply #6151 on: September 10, 2020, 05:24:26 PM »
This is one of the dumber attacks on Trump. He said that he didn't want to incite panic. He still declared an emergency and enacted travel bans.

Those early reports were also wrong that it was significantly deadlier than the flu.

No.  No they aren't.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

62,000 deaths from a single flu season vs 160,000+ deaths in the same time span.

Incorrect, and faulty comparison. The CDC admitted that those numbers were skewed.



Link: https://archive.is/U7Zrg

Not understanding how death certificates are written is your problem, not mine.

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« Reply #6152 on: September 10, 2020, 07:18:25 PM »
It is well acknowledged that the people who die from this are sick and old.

I posted this some months back:

99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says

"As of March 17, 17 people under 50 had died from the disease. All of Italy’s victims under 40 have been males with serious existing medical conditions."

What a coincidence. Everyone under 40 had serious existing medical conditions.

Also from the article:

"The average age of those who’ve died from the virus in Italy is 79.5."

People dying at around the expected age of death. Another coincidence.

None of that has changed, only the date.
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« Reply #6153 on: September 10, 2020, 07:37:41 PM »
Glad to see the death of tens of thousands of elderly people is something to dismiss to you. Think of that next time you want to moralize on your political opponents.

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« Reply #6154 on: September 10, 2020, 08:09:32 PM »
Glad to see Trump just picked up a nomination for Nobel Peace Prize. That's his second nomination. Remind me how many nominations Biden has.
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« Reply #6155 on: September 10, 2020, 08:30:57 PM »
Glad to see Trump just picked up a nomination for Nobel Peace Prize. That's his second nomination. Remind me how many nominations Biden has.

As many as any other VP?

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« Reply #6156 on: September 10, 2020, 08:35:04 PM »
Glad to see Trump just picked up a nomination for Nobel Peace Prize. That's his second nomination. Remind me how many nominations Biden has.

As many as any other VP?

Guess again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore
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« Reply #6157 on: September 10, 2020, 08:49:57 PM »
Glad to see Trump just picked up a nomination for Nobel Peace Prize. That's his second nomination. Remind me how many nominations Biden has.

As many as any other VP?

Guess again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore

Forgot about his work on Climate Change. So Gore has won more than Trump and Biden.

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« Reply #6158 on: September 10, 2020, 08:55:22 PM »
Gore isn't an option.

Trump 2 - 0 Biden
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« Reply #6159 on: September 10, 2020, 09:02:22 PM »
Gore isn't an option.

Trump 2 - 0 Biden

Democrats 4-1 Republicans in actual wins.

It would be funny if they nominated Trump just to see how he would flame them on Twitter if he loses.