[lppt]

Hi there guys. Im making a flat map and i would like to leave this here so you guys can see it and tell me what do you think of it. I will update it in the next days and then it will be really close to the real thing. Sorry if this isnt the right place.

[geckothegeek]

Are you serious ?
What are you trying to pr)ove ?
What you have is simply a variation on a copy of the well known North Polar Azimuthal Equidistant Projection of the globe.
Gleason's map is simply another copy.

[Pete Svarrior]

What you have is simply a variation on a copy of the well known North Polar Azimuthal Equidistant Projection of the globe.

You've got your chronology wrong, but thanks for trying.

[Rounder]

tell me what do you think of it.

Performing two east-west distance calculatins at a single latitude is not enough to back up the claim that "everything works".  Do the same thing across the US, and across Greenland, and across Europe.  You will find that you have sacrificed Northern Hemisphere accuracy to obtain Southern Hemisphere distances that are close.

[rabinoz]

tell me what do you think of it.

Performing two east-west distance calculations at a single latitude is not enough to back up the claim that "everything works".  Do the same thing across the US, and across Greenland, and across Europe.  You will find that you have sacrificed Northern Hemisphere accuracy to obtain Southern Hemisphere distances that are close.

Then try the north-south size of Australia, say from Cape York to Wilson's Promontory.

[geckothegeek]

What you have is simply a variation on a copy of the well known North Polar Azimuthal Equidistant Projection of the globe.

You've got your chronology wrong, but thanks for trying.

What do you mean by "You've got your chronology wrong ?  "?

[geckothegeek]

Hi there guys. Im making a flat map and i would like to leave this here so you guys can see it and tell me what do you think of it. I will update it in the next days and then it will be really close to the real thing. Sorry if this isnt the right place.

Do you have an update yet ?
I'm open to see if you can come up with something original that " will be really close to the real thing" .

[Pete Svarrior]

What do you mean by "You've got your chronology wrong ?  "?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chronology

[geckothegeek]

What do you mean by "You've got your chronology wrong ?  "?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chronology

I know what chronolgy is, but what does that have to do  with  this subject ?

[TotesNotReptilian]

What do you mean by "You've got your chronology wrong ?  "?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chronology

I know what chronolgy is, but what does that have to do  with  this subject ?

Good grief. He is saying that the North Polar Azimuthal Equidistant Projection is a copy of, or came before after, the Gleason map, not the other way around.

Edit: after, not before

[geckothegeek]

Hi there guys. Im making a flat map and i would like to leave this here so you guys can see it and tell me what do you think of it. I will update it in the next days and then it will be really close to the real thing. Sorry if this isnt the right place.

He must not have been too close to the real thing . Haven't seen any further details for a while ?

[geckothegeek]

What do you mean by "You've got your chronology wrong ?  "?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chronology

I know what chronolgy is, but what does that have to do  with  this subject ?

Good grief. He is saying that the North Polar Azimuthal Equidistant Projection is a copy of, or came before, the Gleason map, not the other way around.

Maybe I worded it backwards, have to check if  I made an error. What I meant was that Gleason's Map was simply a cabon copy of the  AEP, which dates back to 11 A.D.
Gleason's Map dates from somewhere in the 19th century.

[TotesNotReptilian]

Good grief. He is saying that the North Polar Azimuthal Equidistant Projection is a copy of, or came before, the Gleason map, not the other way around.

Maybe I worded it backwards, have to check if  I made an error. What I meant was that Gleason's Map was simply a cabon copy of the  AEP, which dates back to 11 A.D.
Gleason's Map dates from somewhere in the 19th century.

Ugh. I accidentally worded it backwards. I meant after, not before.

[geckothegeek]

Ippt just copied the AEP.

Gleason's Map is labeled " New Standard Map Of The World 'As It Is' and a note "Projection of J.S. Christopher, Modern College, Blackheath, England"
It is rather curious :
There is nothing "New" about it. Just a copy of the AEP. Unless of course he did fill in all the countries.
It is not a "Standard Map Of The World" unless you consider it is a "standard" copy of the AEP.
It is not a true map of the world "As It Is" as far as shapes and distances are concerned.
It is a projection - of the AEP
I haven't found anything on " J.S. Christopher "
He cites " Modern College, Blackheath, England". There is a Morden College in Blackheath but it has nothing to do with maps - it seems to be a retiirement home.
Did Gleason make up all of this to try to present his map as new, showing the true shape of the world and something of his own invention ?

[TotesNotReptilian]

There is nothing "New" about it. Just a copy of the AEP. Unless of course he did fill in all the countries.

Nothing you listed indicated it is a copy of another AEP. We know it is (or very similar to) an AEP. The question is whether it was the first AEP. I have no idea.

[geckothegeek]

There is nothing "New" about it. Just a copy of the AEP. Unless of course he did fill in all the countries.

Nothing you listed indicated it is a copy of another AEP. We know it is (or very similar to) an AEP. The question is whether it was the first AEP. I have no idea.

See "List Of Map Projections".
The  first  AEP is listed as dating to 1000 A.D.

[Pete Svarrior]

The  first  AEP is listed as dating to 1000 A.D.

And we knew the Earth is flat thousands of years before Christ.

[rabinoz]

The  first  AEP is listed as dating to 1000 A.D.

And we knew the Earth is flat thousands of years before Christ.

Just possibly "the Earth is flat thousands of years before Christ", but in many areas our knowledge has increased since then.


Your "map" might not be "too bad" in the Northern Hemisphere but in the Southern Hemisphere the east-west distances are grossly in error.

I for one KNOW that Australia is NOT the shape shown on the UN (or AEP) map. We don't have an accurate copy of that map to measure distances, but the shapes of the Southern Hemisphere continents seem the same as on "Gleason's Map", so for the present, I will demonstrate what I mean on that. If there is an alternate map I would be glad to use that.

To see what I mean about the E-W distances being grossly stretched on the Gleason's Map just look at these two maps of Australia.  The one on the left is from Gleason's and the one on the right on Google Earth.  I used the Google Earth as a quick way to get the shape right, but the measurement shown are from my Garmin Navigator map. I have checked this numerous times, both with map (surveyed) distances between towns and the car's odometer, which I know  is not more than 1% out (not all cars are that close - maybe Landcruisers are not that bad!).

Australia Size on Ice Wall Map

Australia on Gleason's Map

Australia on Google Earth

Measurement		Ice Wall		Gleason's		Garmin Nav
West-East 30° Lat		8,700 km		8,700 km		3,700 km
Cape Yk-Wils Prom		3,300 km		3,200 km		3,200 km

As you can see the on both the "Ice Wall Map" and the "Gleason's Map" the shape of Australia is grossly distorted, with the East-West distance on the "Ice Wall Map" and "Gleason Map" being 8,700 km compared to a more accurate distance of 3,700 km. The distances on the "Ice Wall Map" and  "Gleason's Map" are estimated by comparing the lengths with the Equator to North Pole taken as 10,000 km.
The North-South distances agree very well, but E-W distances are grossly in error - All the distances have been rounded to the nearest 100 km.

I know the column labelled "Garmin" is correct as I have driven over much of that area (yes all the way from west to east, though not ON the 30° Lat). I have personally checked the maps, the car oddo and the "Garmin" (GPS) and all are in good agreement.

In any case, the errors are so great that there is not the slightest chance of its being caused simply by "measuring error".

You are deluding yourself if you think that the "Ice Wall Map" is anything like the shape of the Real Earth and the FE does not seem to have any better maps!

If you try to challenge this I will have to come back with all the quite impossible (on the Flat Earth map) air routes we have down here!

[Rounder]

And we knew the Earth is flat thousands of years before Christ.

We "knew" a lot of things that have since been shown to be false.  How long something has been "known" is insufficient to judge the validity of that "knowledge"