[Rama Set]

We have both of those things.

Not as much as many other cities. I can guarantee Detroit and Chicago has much more diverse gang culture than Toronto.

Sure. But it's not like the USA is so radically different from other countries that they can't learn from their successes.

[Rushy]

We have both of those things.

Not as much as many other cities. I can guarantee Detroit and Chicago has much more diverse gang culture than Toronto.

Sure. But it's not like the USA is so radically different from other countries that they can't learn from their successes.

Toronto isn't the most diverse city of the cultures that it consists of aren't clashing. I say it's Chicago.

[Rama Set]

What kind of neurotic criteria is that?  It's only diverse if there is conflict?  Bro, watch moar Trek.

[TheTruthIsOnHere]

We have both of those things.

Not as much as many other cities. I can guarantee Detroit and Chicago has much more diverse gang culture than Toronto.

Sure. But it's not like the USA is so radically different from other countries that they can't learn from their successes.

We can't learn from other's success, or even from our own mistakes. We are so trapped in a polarized political system doused in political correctness we can't even admit when there is a problem for fear of offending people.

I want to know, since when did offending someone become worse than allowing terrorists to move freely and kill people.

[Rama Set]

We have both of those things.

Not as much as many other cities. I can guarantee Detroit and Chicago has much more diverse gang culture than Toronto.

Sure. But it's not like the USA is so radically different from other countries that they can't learn from their successes.

We can't learn from other's success, or even from our own mistakes. We are so trapped in a polarized political system doused in political correctness we can't even admit when there is a problem for fear of offending people.

I want to know, since when did offending someone become worse than allowing terrorists to move freely and kill people.

I don't know.  It's crazy.  Don't offend the gun lobbyists and don't offend the radical elements of society!  Lets just call for thoughts and prayers!

[Rushy]

What kind of neurotic criteria is that?  It's only diverse if there is conflict?  Bro, watch moar Trek.

A show about a group of people invading other worlds and forcing them to abide by our cultural ideals?

Ethnocentrism ayy lmao

Every Star Trek captain knows the prime directive word for word but they're all exceptionally good at ignoring it. Truly a show that teaches people only good intentions count.

[Rama Set]

What kind of neurotic criteria is that?  It's only diverse if there is conflict?  Bro, watch moar Trek.

A show about a group of people invading other worlds and forcing them to abide by our cultural ideals?

Ethnocentrism ayy lmao

Every Star Trek captain knows the prime directive word for word but they're all exceptionally good at ignoring it. Truly a show that teaches people only good intentions count.

Don't diss Captain Picard or I will unleash hell on you.

[model 29]

Where was the good guy with a gun the NRA always promises us?

It was probably a designated 'gun-free' zone.

Does Florida have those?

I would assume any place where you can buy and drink alcohol prohibits guns.

A lot of places other than bars and clubs.  Movie theaters, stores, restaurants, outdoor/nature areas, etc, if the owner/management is so inclined to do so.  A few years ago someone was killed in the Olympic mountains here in WA along a popular hiking trail by a mountain goat.  The goat stood over him while he bled out and nobody could get close to save him because they had nothing to use against the goat.  If I recall correctly, carrying a firearm in national parks was prohibited at that time.  That did change around that general time-frame though, so I could be wrong. 

Anyway, if one chooses to head into a world of predators unarmed, go for it.  They shouldn't expect me to do the same though.

[Jura-Glenlivet]

A sad indictment of Americans, anywhere else in the world where problem solving doesn't automatically rely on pulling a gun, the guy would have probably been saved. It's not a predator it's a fucking goat!

[Lord Dave]

A sad indictment of Americans, anywhere else in the world where problem solving doesn't automatically rely on pulling a gun, the guy would have probably been saved. It's not a predator it's a fucking goat!

If it was mating season, it might have been deadly to approach.  Though its possible to lure them away but at great risk.

Mountain goats kill.

[Rushy]

A sad indictment of Americans, anywhere else in the world where problem solving doesn't automatically rely on pulling a gun, the guy would have probably been saved. It's not a predator it's a fucking goat!

You're so far removed from the natural order of things that you can't properly imagine a situation involving a hostile wild goat goring someone. A mountain goat could end you.

[Jura-Glenlivet]

The point is, Model 29 uses this horrific tale to then state “if one chooses to head into a world of predators unarmed, go for it.”, now put me right here if I’m wrong but this happened back in 2010, it is the only recorded instance of said “predator(?)” killing anyone, and the park rangers chased it off by throwing rocks (then shot it later).

A few more points here, it shows the amount of exaggeration, both in the perceived dangers of the outdoors, and the outright paranoid American response to any sort of apparent threat. The fact that around about a 1,000 US/Canadian hunters manage to shoot either themselves or others, every year, resulting in about 100 deaths, will not register in your minds as even a problem. One mad goat and up go the sale of guns, and out goes the cry of “the bastards won’t let me carry my assault rifle at all times, we will be massacred by goats”.

Un-fucking-believable country of deluded Chicken Lickens. 

[Lord Dave]

throwing rocks?

Well... fuck, that makes everyone who stood around pussies.  They have no business being outdoors, armed with a gun or not, if the goat was removable by throwing the most basic weapon humans have ever used: A rock.

[Rushy]

Assault rifles are already illegal in the US and have been for about four decades.

What people clamor about now are "assault weapons." A term invented by anti-gun politicians to tell people about the big scary military guns. Both pro- and anti-gun sides use fear as a persuasion tool. The difference is that one is a basic right, so the argument to remove it is null.

[Jura-Glenlivet]

Assault rifles are already illegal in the US and have been for about four decades.

What people clamor about now are "assault weapons." A term invented by anti-gun politicians to tell people about the big scary military guns. Both pro- and anti-gun sides use fear as a persuasion tool. The difference is that one is a basic right, so the argument to remove it is null.

Assault rifles or weapons whatever, semantics is the best you can do? It’s a big gun nobody needs, especially against the massed hordes of homicidal goats, not when you can use rocks.

[Jura-Glenlivet]

throwing rocks?

Well... fuck, that makes everyone who stood around pussies.  They have no business being outdoors, armed with a gun or not, if the goat was removable by throwing the most basic weapon humans have ever used: A rock.

Like I said; It's a fucking goat.

[Lord Dave]

You know, it's become obvious to me that America has gone down hill.  This generation is crying about guns and needing guns but you know what?  That's pussy talk.  "Oh help me, I'm weak and powerless without a gun".  That's the kind of talk sissy liberals have.  Real men don't need guns to protect their family.  Real men grab the bad guy's gun and beat the shit out of them.  Just look at that fellow who had his singer sister die last week?  He beat the shit out of the guy, not pull a gun on him.

And that there christian college shooter?  Got jumped by god fearing boys.  No guns allowed, just the glory of god and the force of a tackle.

Man up America.

[TheTruthIsOnHere]

You know, it's become obvious to me that America has gone down hill.  This generation is crying about guns and needing guns but you know what?  That's pussy talk.  "Oh help me, I'm weak and powerless without a gun".  That's the kind of talk sissy liberals have.  Real men don't need guns to protect their family.  Real men grab the bad guy's gun and beat the shit out of them.  Just look at that fellow who had his singer sister die last week?  He beat the shit out of the guy, not pull a gun on him.

And that there christian college shooter?  Got jumped by god fearing boys.  No guns allowed, just the glory of god and the force of a tackle.

Man up America.

I'm just going to assume this is satire or something.

If not I'll see how you feel when armed intruders break into your house and rape your family in front of you before they kill you all. All because you wanted to be "manly."

It's about being responsible for your own protection, not relying on police who have no real obligation to protect you.

[Lord Dave]

You know, it's become obvious to me that America has gone down hill.  This generation is crying about guns and needing guns but you know what?  That's pussy talk.  "Oh help me, I'm weak and powerless without a gun".  That's the kind of talk sissy liberals have.  Real men don't need guns to protect their family.  Real men grab the bad guy's gun and beat the shit out of them.  Just look at that fellow who had his singer sister die last week?  He beat the shit out of the guy, not pull a gun on him.

And that there christian college shooter?  Got jumped by god fearing boys.  No guns allowed, just the glory of god and the force of a tackle.

Man up America.

I'm just going to assume this is satire or something.

If not I'll see how you feel when armed intruders break into your house and rape your family in front of you before they kill you all. All because you wanted to be "manly."

It's about being responsible for your own protection, not relying on police who have no real obligation to protect you.

It was but even so, how is a gun going to help if they have a gun too?  I'll be surprised and probably not holding my gun.  All I'll do is give them another gun.

[TheTruthIsOnHere]

You know, it's become obvious to me that America has gone down hill.  This generation is crying about guns and needing guns but you know what?  That's pussy talk.  "Oh help me, I'm weak and powerless without a gun".  That's the kind of talk sissy liberals have.  Real men don't need guns to protect their family.  Real men grab the bad guy's gun and beat the shit out of them.  Just look at that fellow who had his singer sister die last week?  He beat the shit out of the guy, not pull a gun on him.

And that there christian college shooter?  Got jumped by god fearing boys.  No guns allowed, just the glory of god and the force of a tackle.

Man up America.

I'm just going to assume this is satire or something.

If not I'll see how you feel when armed intruders break into your house and rape your family in front of you before they kill you all. All because you wanted to be "manly."

It's about being responsible for your own protection, not relying on police who have no real obligation to protect you.

It was but even so, how is a gun going to help if they have a gun too?  I'll be surprised and probably not holding my gun.  All I'll do is give them another gun.

Well the truth is, most criminals/people don't actually want to get shot. They came in for easy cash, not a life threatening injury. You keep your gun accessible enough in your room at least you have a chance to protect your family. If the best you got is dialing 911 and going through their 5 minutes of questioning before waiting the supposed 6-11 minutes for police to respond (who wont come busting in btw, because they too don't want to get shot) then you're putting your health and safety into another person's hand instead of being responsible for you own.

I'd rather take my chances. Most likely scenario is once they know you're armed they are going to high tail it the fuck out of there. Now if we live in a society that makes it a criminal offense to own a weapon for personal protection, then the criminals who are not at all deterred by laws, obviously, know that they have their pick of homes to invade and lives to threaten. You might as well hang a "gun free zone" sign in front of your house and see how that helps.