[İntikam]

I opened this issue for i hope one of the Chinian pilots see or heard this issue and tries the way that passing from Shangai.

This is a working shows some cities on China and Australia. As we see that the shortest route passing from Shangai when going from Beijing to Melbourne.



But pilots usually driving a way going from Hong Kong that's not requered. So they are usually flying 250 kms more like this pilot.

https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/CCA165/history/20160507/1705Z/ZBAA/YMML

[Venus]

I opened this issue for i hope one of the Chinian pilots see or heard this issue and tries the way that passing from Shangai.

This is a working shows some cities on China and Australia. As we see that the shortest route passing from Shangai when going from Beijing to Melbourne.

But pilots usually driving a way going from Hong Kong that's not requered. So they are usually flying 250 kms more like this pilot.

https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/CCA165/history/20160507/1705Z/ZBAA/YMML

Intikam you seem to be obsessed with flights and flight times and flight distances ...
We have already explained to you why the return trip can be longer or shorter in terms of time taken - because of jet streams !!
Now having done quite a bit of international travel myself I can say that there are a multitude of reasons that the initial flight path may be changed (which may impact the flight time) ... some common ones are
1. to avoid severe air turbulence (if you have ever flown through really bad turbulence you realise why they have a sick bag for each passenger)
2. to avoid other air traffic (especially through busy flight path areas - this is probably why Melbourne to Beijing does not fly over Shanghai because there would be so much air traffic in the skies near Shanghai)
3. to avoid storms (flying through an electrical storm when gaining altitude or coming down is scary plus!! I flew from Las Vegas to Oklahoma City in a tiny plane through a terrible storm and totally freaked out until we landed safely)
4. to avoid volcanic ash (totally stuffs up a planes engines)
5. to take advantage of prevailing winds (especially good tail winds)
There are probably many other reasons.

I have been on flights where we have had to circle for over an hour because of congestion at the airport. I was on a plane once which was just about to touch down in Dallas and suddenly the pilot pulled up and we took off again because the runway where we were landing had not been cleared of another plane which had landed just in front of us (very scary!!!) We circled for what seemed like forever as we then had to wait for 3 other planes which were already literally queued up to land while we completed a great big circle.
Once many many years ago on a Melbourne to Sydney flight we detoured over Wagga Wagga because of electrical storms near Canberra (and Melbourne to Sydney is such a short trip - 500km - that planes don't even reach normal cruising altitudes)

Also to fly an extra 250 km takes an extra 15-17 minutes - on a 10 or 11 hour flight this is irrelevant - spend some time at an airport and you will see arriving 15 minutes earlier or 15 minutes later than expected is common and no big deal! This can be due to good tail winds or having to slightly divert for turbulence or whatever. The last time I came back from Bali we arrived 10 minutes early ... on a 5 hour flight...just got great tail winds :-) Unfortunately it then took us about 2 hours to get through customs ...such is life lol

Hope this helps :-)

But none of this proves any flat earth model anyway !! No more than the fact that yesterday my daughter and I both left a friend's house (about 10 km away) at the same time but she beat me home by about 5 minutes - she had a good run with the traffic lights, I didn't, and we went slightly different ways and I got detoured because of roadworks ... planes are subject to the same thing, traffic, weather, detours for one reason or another ... that's flying...!!

[rabinoz]

I opened this issue for i hope one of the Chinian pilots see or heard this issue and tries the way that passing from Shangai.

This is a working shows some cities on China and Australia. As we see that the shortest route passing from Shangai when going from Beijing to Melbourne.



But pilots usually driving a way going from Hong Kong that's not requered. So they are usually flying 250 kms more like this pilot.

https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/CCA165/history/20160507/1705Z/ZBAA/YMML

Why ask us? Ask the airline involved. Neither TFES nor any of its members set aircraft routes, but it is not a flat earth or globe problem!

You don't guesses, but if you look at the route they might be avoiding overflying the Philippines.

[İntikam]

I opened this issue for i hope one of the Chinian pilots see or heard this issue and tries the way that passing from Shangai.

This is a working shows some cities on China and Australia. As we see that the shortest route passing from Shangai when going from Beijing to Melbourne.



But pilots usually driving a way going from Hong Kong that's not requered. So they are usually flying 250 kms more like this pilot.

https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/CCA165/history/20160507/1705Z/ZBAA/YMML

Why ask us? Ask the airline involved. Neither TFES nor any of its members set aircraft routes, but it is not a flat earth or globe problem!

You don't guesses, but if you look at the route they might be avoiding overflying the Philippines.

I already don't ask it you. I'm opening the matters to general readings. I hope a pilot read this and explain why. Depending to my map or depending to google map the way from Beijing to Melbourne passing from Shangai. But pilots going from Hong Kong and making the route longer.

Yes this is not my problem or not your problem but it is making hard to create my map, because it does increases the range of error. This stuation is making my working spends more time. And when i explain the map then i'm thinking that some rounders will say "vovovov stop man, this route is not short like this." I want everybody see how is the route actually short and how is the pilots going on wrong way.

There is same problem between Los Angeles and Chile. America is a new continent compared to others. Therefor America map is usually wrong. So most of the pilots going on wrong route. Some of them is lost on the way. Therefor airlines going from Los Angeles to Chile by transfering 1 city like Dallas, Sao Paolo, Panama, Peru , etc that nothing of them actually needed. But pilots don't know the true route.

One of our mission is to teach the pilots the true way!

[andruszkow]

One of our mission is to teach the pilots the true way!

I'm sorry man, but this made me laugh a bit IRL. What exactly is it you want to teach them? What are YOUR credentials, since you convinced yourself that you're wiser than everyone here, including pilots?

[Venus]

There is same problem between Los Angeles and Chile. America is a new continent compared to others. Therefor America map is usually wrong. So most of the pilots going on wrong route. Some of them is lost on the way. Therefor airlines going from Los Angeles to Chile by transfering 1 city like Dallas, Sao Paolo, Panama, Peru , etc that nothing of them actually needed. But pilots don't know the true route.

One of our mission is to teach the pilots the true way!

Intikam  - As to your Los Angeles to Chile problem of why does it stop in Dallas?

Dallas is a hub... a massive international airport perfectly positioned for international flights from USA to and from the southern hemisphere. So if you live in the western part of USA you can catch a flight from your city to either LA or Dallas, and people from all over the eastern part of USA fly to Dallas to pick up the flight to Chile.
So if you live in New York or Kansas City you fly to Dallas and then on to Chile. It would hardly make sense for someone from New York or Kansas City or Florida to have to fly to Los Angeles if they are destined for Chile.
But if you lived in Seattle you could either fly to Los Angeles or to Dallas, either way you will end up on the same plane as the people from New York and Kansas when you leave Dallas for Chile.

OK so if you were an airline would you run a flight from every city in every state in USA to Chile?? Would those flights be full or have just a few people on them???... wouldn't it make more business sense to send ONE big plane full of passengers to Chile each day rather than 20, 30, 40 or 50 planes from different cities all over USA !! Wouldn't it make sense to use a large international airport in the southern state of Texas as a hub for international flight to the southern hemisphere?? Fill one large plane with 500 people headed for Chile, rather than 25 planes with 20 people each !!
Not only that but I bet there are many people on the LA to Dallas leg who don't want to go to Chile but just want to go to Dallas !! These people get off and are replaced with those who want to go to Chile .
Economics of airlines companies ...

And the flight from Melbourne to Beijing stops in Hong Kong for the same reason as above... not everyone wants to go to Beijing, some get off at Hong Kong because that's where they are going, other flights fly via Kuala Lumpar or Chengdu ... most international flights have 1 or 2 stops ... airlines cannot run non stop flights from every city in the world to every other city in the world !!

You should stop being so suspicious about why planes don't always fly in a perfectly straight line directly and non stop to the final destination!!!

And the American map is only wrong on your flat earth map, or the Mercator Projection ie maps which try to represent a 3 dimensional spherical earth on a 2 dimensional flat map will always introduce distortion  ... on the globe it is perfect ... no distortion. America would have been pretty much mapped out 100 years ago !!

But once again ... this proves nothing in terms of the flat earth !!

[İntikam]

One of our mission is to teach the pilots the true way!

I'm sorry man, but this made me laugh a bit IRL. What exactly is it you want to teach them? What are YOUR credentials, since you convinced yourself that you're wiser than everyone here, including pilots?

Yeah, most of them driving to wrong way. Specially Yankees. I'll prove that next a few days. I'm preparing to do that. You'll see.