[TheTruthIsOnHere]

There are literally billions of proofs that we went to and landed on the Moon.

You don't believe it. Fine with me. But if you insist in berating the facts it is up to you prove your case, not me to reprove mine.

Please provide sources for the BILLIONS of proofs that man has landed on the moon.

Lol... really though... I hate throwing this phrase around, because it is so over used, but if there ever was a clear cut case of "confirmation bias" this would totally be it.

Proof Apollo was real
Bing
77,700,000 RESULTS

Nope. You said it was all faked, it is up to you prove it.

Seems about 93,000,000 short of a billion, obviously math isn't your thing.

And who the hell uses bing? Lol

Hey Blewmoon, I wasn't talking to you so please refrain from speaking to me unless spoken to.

Oh, for your information, people a lot smarter than me have also debunked the apollo program.

Remove the tree from your own eye before attempting to tell me about the splinter in mine. Your math was off by 814,000,000.

Google  Proof Apollo moon landings


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So Bing has more information.

Math not my thing? I am retired now, but I was a Civilian DoD Accounting Tech and Lead Auditor Depart of the Army DFAS-IN.

I also write Speculative Fiction (AKA Science Fiction) and knowledge of math and science is a must. I at least have to know where to find the information and various calculators.

My "billions" was literary license. Sue me.

One more note on math; there is no math explaining aether, UA, FE night and day, sunrise/sunset, FE and round planets the phases of theMoon... The list is too long to post.

In your opinion people have debunked the Apollo Moon landings. Most of them are believers in oddball conspiracies. They are the Alex Jones and Richard C Hoaglands of the world. They make claims about educational expertise, but when asked to prove it, change the subject or or go silent. And Google or Bing indicate their claims are bogus, as there are no citations posted that back up those claims.

Ask yourself this; IF NASA faked it, would they not KNOW people would be looking for evidence?  And given that they would, would not NASA not have gone to extraordinary means NOT to make these "mistakes"?

Every single claim that the NASA faked it has been conclusively shown to be false.

It was a typo I meant 933,000,000...

Ah I get it, you're an old dude, that explains Bing, that, along with your science fiction hobby, also explain your desperate adherence to the conundrum that many people saw man land on the moon on the radio.

You are distorting truth to fit your point of view. You say there is no proof of a hoax being perpetrated, but ask yourself this question: If it was proven beyond a reasonable doubt would the conspiracy theory exist?

Then you go right along and try to discredit anyone that disagrees with you by lumping them in with Alex Jones viewers, how original: You might as well have pulled out the standard tin foil hat accusation.

Here's the thing, a theory is a theory if it has some evidence to back it up. Otherwise it would be a hypothesis.

One major gaping glaringly obvious problem: They "lost" the telemetry tapes. The event was arguably the most important achievement the human race has ever accomplished. Yet they somehow lost the tapes that were supposed to record the entire mission. Don't worry, their apologists certainly did their best to hand wave it away.

I won't even get into the well documented discrepancies of the photographic "evidence," because you've obviously "ostrich in the sand"ed yourself from that.

Then there is the hour and a half the Astronauts spent flying through the toxic Van Allen Radiation Belts in an aluminum foil vessel. Of course, NASA says that they went through it the shortest route, and the only true explanation offered as to why their employees weren't cooked to a crisp or poisoned by the radiation is "uhhh, just cuz they weren't."

Then there is the most obvious reason to stage such an event: The Cold War and Winning the Space Race. Every conspiracy needs a motive and getting the upper hand amidst a deadly, apocalyptic nuclear standoff seems to be a whopper of one.

But it's ok, this tin foil hat is actually quite cozy, I'm sure having your head in the sand protects you from the mind control rays the guvment is zapping us with just as well.

[BlueMoon]

It was a typo I meant 933,000,000...

Ah I get it, you're an old dude, that explains Bing, that, along with your science fiction hobby, also explain your desperate adherence to the conundrum that many people saw man land on the moon on the radio.

You are distorting truth to fit your point of view. You say there is no proof of a hoax being perpetrated, but ask yourself this question: If it was proven beyond a reasonable doubt would the conspiracy theory exist?

Then you go right along and try to discredit anyone that disagrees with you by lumping them in with Alex Jones viewers, how original: You might as well have pulled out the standard tin foil hat accusation.

Here's the thing, a theory is a theory if it has some evidence to back it up. Otherwise it would be a hypothesis.

One major gaping glaringly obvious problem: They "lost" the telemetry tapes. The event was arguably the most important achievement the human race has ever accomplished. Yet they somehow lost the tapes that were supposed to record the entire mission. Don't worry, their apologists certainly did their best to hand wave it away.

I won't even get into the well documented discrepancies of the photographic "evidence," because you've obviously "ostrich in the sand"ed yourself from that.

Then there is the hour and a half the Astronauts spent flying through the toxic Van Allen Radiation Belts in an aluminum foil vessel. Of course, NASA says that they went through it the shortest route, and the only true explanation offered as to why their employees weren't cooked to a crisp or poisoned by the radiation is "uhhh, just cuz they weren't."

Then there is the most obvious reason to stage such an event: The Cold War and Winning the Space Race. Every conspiracy needs a motive and getting the upper hand amidst a deadly, apocalyptic nuclear standoff seems to be a whopper of one.

But it's ok, this tin foil hat is actually quite cozy, I'm sure having your head in the sand protects you from the mind control rays the guvment is zapping us with just as well.

 
You didn't even read the PDF you linked to, did you?  It's telling the truth.  And it's not like that's the only record in existence that we went to the moon (not even close!)
We don't ignore the "discrepancies" you discover; we just find better explanations. 

I suggest looking here, here, and here for why they weren't and couldn't have been involved in a hoax. 

The trans-lunar trajectories were inclined, alleviating the vast majority of harmful radiation. 

So, without accusing anyone of handwaving or sticking their heads in the sand, review all of those sources I linked and honestly look to see if you have any evidence left supporting your hypothesis. 

[TheTruthIsOnHere]

You didn't even read the PDF you linked to, did you?  It's telling the truth.  And it's not like that's the only record in existence that we went to the moon (not even close!)
We don't ignore the "discrepancies" you discover; we just find better explanations. 

I bet you think this report is telling the truth as well.

And if you do, you're a lot dumber than you think you are.

[Round fact]

There are literally billions of proofs that we went to and landed on the Moon.

You don't believe it. Fine with me. But if you insist in berating the facts it is up to you prove your case, not me to reprove mine.

Please provide sources for the BILLIONS of proofs that man has landed on the moon.

Lol... really though... I hate throwing this phrase around, because it is so over used, but if there ever was a clear cut case of "confirmation bias" this would totally be it.

Proof Apollo was real
Bing
77,700,000 RESULTS

Nope. You said it was all faked, it is up to you prove it.

Seems about 93,000,000 short of a billion, obviously math isn't your thing.

And who the hell uses bing? Lol

Hey Blewmoon, I wasn't talking to you so please refrain from speaking to me unless spoken to.

Oh, for your information, people a lot smarter than me have also debunked the apollo program.

Remove the tree from your own eye before attempting to tell me about the splinter in mine. Your math was off by 814,000,000.

Google  Proof Apollo moon landings


AllNewsVideosImagesShoppingMoreSearch tools
About 74,700 results (0.46 seconds)

So Bing has more information.

Math not my thing? I am retired now, but I was a Civilian DoD Accounting Tech and Lead Auditor Depart of the Army DFAS-IN.

I also write Speculative Fiction (AKA Science Fiction) and knowledge of math and science is a must. I at least have to know where to find the information and various calculators.

My "billions" was literary license. Sue me.

One more note on math; there is no math explaining aether, UA, FE night and day, sunrise/sunset, FE and round planets the phases of theMoon... The list is too long to post.

In your opinion people have debunked the Apollo Moon landings. Most of them are believers in oddball conspiracies. They are the Alex Jones and Richard C Hoaglands of the world. They make claims about educational expertise, but when asked to prove it, change the subject or or go silent. And Google or Bing indicate their claims are bogus, as there are no citations posted that back up those claims.

Ask yourself this; IF NASA faked it, would they not KNOW people would be looking for evidence?  And given that they would, would not NASA not have gone to extraordinary means NOT to make these "mistakes"?

Every single claim that the NASA faked it has been conclusively shown to be false.

It was a typo I meant 933,000,000...

Ah I get it, you're an old dude, that explains Bing, that, along with your science fiction hobby, also explain your desperate adherence to the conundrum that many people saw man land on the moon on the radio.

You are distorting truth to fit your point of view. You say there is no proof of a hoax being perpetrated, but ask yourself this question: If it was proven beyond a reasonable doubt would the conspiracy theory exist?

Then you go right along and try to discredit anyone that disagrees with you by lumping them in with Alex Jones viewers, how original: You might as well have pulled out the standard tin foil hat accusation.

Here's the thing, a theory is a theory if it has some evidence to back it up. Otherwise it would be a hypothesis.

One major gaping glaringly obvious problem: They "lost" the telemetry tapes. The event was arguably the most important achievement the human race has ever accomplished. Yet they somehow lost the tapes that were supposed to record the entire mission. Don't worry, their apologists certainly did their best to hand wave it away.

I won't even get into the well documented discrepancies of the photographic "evidence," because you've obviously "ostrich in the sand"ed yourself from that.

Then there is the hour and a half the Astronauts spent flying through the toxic Van Allen Radiation Belts in an aluminum foil vessel. Of course, NASA says that they went through it the shortest route, and the only true explanation offered as to why their employees weren't cooked to a crisp or poisoned by the radiation is "uhhh, just cuz they weren't."

Then there is the most obvious reason to stage such an event: The Cold War and Winning the Space Race. Every conspiracy needs a motive and getting the upper hand amidst a deadly, apocalyptic nuclear standoff seems to be a whopper of one.

But it's ok, this tin foil hat is actually quite cozy, I'm sure having your head in the sand protects you from the mind control rays the guvment is zapping us with just as well.

Ah I get it, you're an old dude, that explains Bing, that, along with your science fiction hobby, also explain your desperate adherence to the conundrum that many people saw man land on the moon on the radio.

I was 15 years, 5 months and one week old when Apollo 11 landed on the Moon and I vividly remember sitting next to a special radio that has a screen that actually has, gasp, wonder of wonders, MOVING pictures on it form live events in other places.  TV is it called and has been around a long long time. Even more shocking it was a Color TV. Will wonders never cease?

An estimated 600 million people watched the Apollo 11 landing live on television, a world record until 750 million people watched the wedding of the Prince of Wales and Lady Diana Spencer in 1981. (Source: Guinness World Records)

Speculative Fiction is more than a hobby for me as a write it as well, and do it well enough for spending money over and above my retirement.

You are distorting truth to fit your point of view. You say there is no proof of a hoax being perpetrated, but ask yourself this question: If it was proven beyond a reasonable doubt would the conspiracy theory exist?

Of course there would be naysayers.  Look at the web sites dedicated to the conspiracy of Flat Earth. The Observations, experimentation, and math prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the Earth is NOT flat, but here we are.

“distorting truth” When 99.9999999% of the informed and educated population agrees the Moon Landings were real, it means the problem with truth lays with 0.00000001%.

Then you go right along and try to discredit anyone that disagrees with you by lumping them in with Alex Jones viewers, how original: You might as well have pulled out the standard tin foil hat accusation.

Alex Jones is the modern day King of Conspiracies. Though I am unaware if he believes in FE  or if it is one of the outlandish theories he espouses.   

Here's the thing, a theory is a theory if it has some evidence to back it up. Otherwise it would be a hypothesis.

One major gaping glaringly obvious problem: They "lost" the telemetry tapes. The event was arguably the most important achievement the human race has ever accomplished. Yet they somehow lost the tapes that were supposed to record the entire mission. Don't worry, their apologists certainly did their best to hand wave it away.

I won't even get into the well documented discrepancies of the photographic "evidence," because you've obviously "ostrich in the san”ed yourself from that.

They lost the original video tapes NOT the telemetry. One is data the other images. The original films taken on the surface, of course, survive to this day.

If you’re really convinced it was a hoax, then hire a lawyer and file a civil law suit against NASA for fraud.

Then there is the hour and a half the Astronauts spent flying through the toxic Van Allen Radiation Belts in an aluminum foil vessel. Of course, NASA says that they went through it the shortest route, and the only true explanation offered as to why their employees weren't cooked to a crisp or poisoned by the radiation is "uhhh, just cuz they weren't."

You failed middle school science, didn’t you?

The Van Allen Belts are alpha particles which are low energy;

They are a highly ionizing form of particle radiation, and (when resulting from radioactive alpha decay) have low penetration depth. They are able to be stopped by a few centimeters of air, or by the skin. However, so-called long range alpha particles from ternary fission are three times as energetic, and penetrate three times as far.

To dissipate built up heat within the Stack (Service Module, Command Module and the Lunar Lander), was rotated along the axis of the Stack at a right angle to the sun. NASA called it the “Rotisserie Mode.” The shade side of the stack was cold (more than -320f) so as it rotated the heat that was gained in the sun was dissipated on the cold side. Simple thermo dynamics, once learns in Middle School.

Then there is the most obvious reason to stage such an event: The Cold War and Winning the Space Race. Every conspiracy needs a motive and getting the upper hand amidst a deadly, apocalyptic nuclear standoff seems to be a whopper of one.

All Russia or China had to do to win was prove the Earth was Flat and make the US out as liars. Funny how that didn’t happen.

[Rounder]

All Russia or China had to do to win was prove the Earth was Flat and make the US out as liars. Funny how that didn’t happen.

This, a thousand times THIS!!  Communism is general, and the Soviets in particular, were all about the supposed superiority of their philosophy/economy/science/everything when compared to anybody else's.  And yet we are to believe they passed up the chance to expose the Big Lie?  That they agreed to actively participate in the world-wide Conspiracy to fake space flight, and indeed were the first to successfully fake a satellite?  They colluded with the hated capitalists at the height of the Cold War to maintain the Western world's Round Earth philosophy as a whole?  WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT??  Why would they not come out with all this supposed evidence and proof?  Can you even imagine the public relations coup that would have been, to show that every economic system before Communism had been holding the world hostage to a false view, and now here come Stalin and Mao to save us!  That would really have been a huge win for Communism, why would they pass that up?

Oh, right: it's because there is no such evidence, because IT ISN'T TRUE, that's why.

[Round fact]

All Russia or China had to do to win was prove the Earth was Flat and make the US out as liars. Funny how that didn’t happen.

This, a thousand times THIS!!  Communism is general, and the Soviets in particular, were all about the supposed superiority of their philosophy/economy/science/everything when compared to anybody else's.  And yet we are to believe they passed up the chance to expose the Big Lie?  That they agreed to actively participate in the world-wide Conspiracy to fake space flight, and indeed were the first to successfully fake a satellite?  They colluded with the hated capitalists at the height of the Cold War to maintain the Western world's Round Earth philosophy as a whole?  WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT??  Why would they not come out with all this supposed evidence and proof?  Can you even imagine the public relations coup that would have been, to show that every economic system before Communism had been holding the world hostage to a false view, and now here come Stalin and Mao to save us!  That would really have been a huge win for Communism, why would they pass that up?

Oh, right: it's because there is no such evidence, because IT ISN'T TRUE, that's why.

Thank you. Love your response, you said it so much better than I did.

[TheTruthIsOnHere]

All Russia or China had to do to win was prove the Earth was Flat and make the US out as liars. Funny how that didn’t happen.

This, a thousand times THIS!!  Communism is general, and the Soviets in particular, were all about the supposed superiority of their philosophy/economy/science/everything when compared to anybody else's.  And yet we are to believe they passed up the chance to expose the Big Lie?  That they agreed to actively participate in the world-wide Conspiracy to fake space flight, and indeed were the first to successfully fake a satellite?  They colluded with the hated capitalists at the height of the Cold War to maintain the Western world's Round Earth philosophy as a whole?  WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT??  Why would they not come out with all this supposed evidence and proof?  Can you even imagine the public relations coup that would have been, to show that every economic system before Communism had been holding the world hostage to a false view, and now here come Stalin and Mao to save us!  That would really have been a huge win for Communism, why would they pass that up?

Oh, right: it's because there is no such evidence, because IT ISN'T TRUE, that's why.

Nobody has ever tried to prove the Earth was round or flat. That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about the validity of Space flight and Space missions.

In short, you could possible chalk it up as a tangled web of deception. Something our governments, communist or capitalist, socialist, fascist, etc etc, all are known for. Everyone has a CIA equivalent. Everyone has questionable programs that operate above the laws of their country, and above international law. When knowledge equals power you can guarantee there is a vested interest in retaining as much of that as they can. We don't have an informed and educated populace. I'm not sure what country you're living in. They want us smart enough to press the buttons to keep this charade chugging along, but not smart enough to question the injustices perpetuated against us.

As far as 99.9999999999% percent of this informed, educated group you think trust the moon landing. Here's an article that can wake you up about how enlightened and intelligent we are as a nation. 20% of Republicans think Obama is the anti-christ. 7% think the moon landing was a hoax. There is absolutely no way to substantiate your hyperbolic statistics. I suggest aligning more with actual statistic and sources instead of using terms like billions and 99.9^{repeating infinitely} % if you expect to appear to have any shred of objectivity. This dream world of informed and educated people doesn't exist, and if you attempt to define it you cannot avoid bias in determining what constitutes informed and educated. 

One more fun thing about Space Programs. You may believe them to all be in competition with one another, and would jump at the chance to debunk each other, but that's not true. They are all apart of the same agenda.

Space Program Logos

Bing results as well for those using Windows XP

Examine those logos for similarities. You'll find that, for even the nations that are apparently enemies or rivals, they share the vector/chevron symbology. You can call it coincidence if you will, but I'm not going to buy it.

The reason they're not "pulling each others cards" or actively trying to debunk each other is because one pull on a loose thread could pull this whole sweater apart quite easily.

Anyway, that is how I feel about that. Take it as you will, as it is, or don't take it at all; makes no difference to me.

[Round fact]

All Russia or China had to do to win was prove the Earth was Flat and make the US out as liars. Funny how that didn’t happen.

This, a thousand times THIS!!  Communism is general, and the Soviets in particular, were all about the supposed superiority of their philosophy/economy/science/everything when compared to anybody else's.  And yet we are to believe they passed up the chance to expose the Big Lie?  That they agreed to actively participate in the world-wide Conspiracy to fake space flight, and indeed were the first to successfully fake a satellite?  They colluded with the hated capitalists at the height of the Cold War to maintain the Western world's Round Earth philosophy as a whole?  WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT??  Why would they not come out with all this supposed evidence and proof?  Can you even imagine the public relations coup that would have been, to show that every economic system before Communism had been holding the world hostage to a false view, and now here come Stalin and Mao to save us!  That would really have been a huge win for Communism, why would they pass that up?

Oh, right: it's because there is no such evidence, because IT ISN'T TRUE, that's why.

Nobody has ever tried to prove the Earth was round or flat. That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about the validity of Space flight and Space missions.

In short, you could possible chalk it up as a tangled web of deception. Something our governments, communist or capitalist, socialist, fascist, etc etc, all are known for. Everyone has a CIA equivalent. Everyone has questionable programs that operate above the laws of their country, and above international law. When knowledge equals power you can guarantee there is a vested interest in retaining as much of that as they can. We don't have an informed and educated populace. I'm not sure what country you're living in. They want us smart enough to press the buttons to keep this charade chugging along, but not smart enough to question the injustices perpetuated against us.

As far as 99.9999999999% percent of this informed, educated group you think trust the moon landing. Here's an article that can wake you up about how enlightened and intelligent we are as a nation. 20% of Republicans think Obama is the anti-christ. 7% think the moon landing was a hoax. There is absolutely no way to substantiate your hyperbolic statistics. I suggest aligning more with actual statistic and sources instead of using terms like billions and 99.9^{repeating infinitely} % if you expect to appear to have any shred of objectivity. This dream world of informed and educated people doesn't exist, and if you attempt to define it you cannot avoid bias in determining what constitutes informed and educated. 

One more fun thing about Space Programs. You may believe them to all be in competition with one another, and would jump at the chance to debunk each other, but that's not true. They are all apart of the same agenda.

Space Program Logos

Bing results as well for those using Windows XP

Examine those logos for similarities. You'll find that, for even the nations that are apparently enemies or rivals, they share the vector/chevron symbology. You can call it coincidence if you will, but I'm not going to buy it.

The reason they're not "pulling each others cards" or actively trying to debunk each other is because one pull on a loose thread could pull this whole sweater apart quite easily.

Anyway, that is how I feel about that. Take it as you will, as it is, or don't take it at all; makes no difference to me.

What part of Informed and educated did you not understand?

Windows XP? Oh, I remember Windows from work. I use OS X El Capitan

Logos. Wow, seriously, who'd a thunk Space Program Logos would have stars and rockets and planets on them. My God Libraries all have books and Churches have, Oh the horror of it, Bibles.

You need to believe, I understand that. It makes you feel better about yourself to believe in what most of the world knows is a fantasy. If God came down to you and showed you the Earth form 22k miles up, you would still believe the FE. If He took you to the Moon and showed you the Landing sites and equipment left there and all the foot prints you still believe it was all fake. If Branson gave you a free ride on his ship into orbit, you would still not accept what you saw and did. And THAT I will never understand.

[TheTruthIsOnHere]

Round fact, you are clearly pushing whatever narrative you've preconceived, not actually listening to or digesting anything I say, otherwise you would notice I never mentioned anything about the earth being flat.

What part of educated and informed being subjective don't you understand?

I get it, you have to believe that you have benevolent trustworthy owners. I don't won't to think otherwise, and I wish it was so. But the evidence suggests that we are not ruled by people with the average persons best interests in mind. Throughout history there has never been this hypothetical moral leadership. Money and power ultimately corrupts. This is an inconvenient fact. Whether you wish to go on your merry way and pretend that your existence is anything but inconsequential and expendable to the powers that be, than have fun with that. I wish I could be a happy idiot too. And no it's not my prerogative to inform or educate you about anything so dont ask for any specific evidence as to why I dont share your optimism.

[Rounder]

Examine those logos for similarities. You'll find that, for even the nations that are apparently enemies or rivals, they share the vector/chevron symbology. You can call it coincidence if you will, but I'm not going to buy it.

Organizations involved in similar pursuits have logos echoing similar themes?  That's nothing new, and does not suggest collusion.  Militaries throughout history and the world over have had similar iconography, and nobody would say that they were merely "apparently enemies" when they were actively involved in killing each other as fast as possible. 

But the evidence suggests that we are not ruled by people with the average persons best interests in mind. Throughout history there has never been this hypothetical moral leadership. Money and power ultimately corrupts. This is an inconvenient fact.

I'll agree with this statement.  At the same time, those same governments have proven fairly inept at keeping deep dark secrets for long.  Watergate comes to mind: a secret known to a much, much smaller cadre of people than the number of people it would require to successfully fake almost sixty years worth of space flight, and a small team of journalists pried it out.

[BlueMoon]

I bet you think this report is telling the truth as well.

And if you do, you're a lot dumber than you think you are.

I'm definitely not reading that.  This is about the moon landings, not terrorist attacks. 

Nobody has ever tried to prove the Earth was round or flat. That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about the validity of Space flight and Space missions.

In short, you could possible chalk it up as a tangled web of deception. Something our governments, communist or capitalist, socialist, fascist, etc etc, all are known for. Everyone has a CIA equivalent. Everyone has questionable programs that operate above the laws of their country, and above international law. When knowledge equals power you can guarantee there is a vested interest in retaining as much of that as they can. We don't have an informed and educated populace. I'm not sure what country you're living in. They want us smart enough to press the buttons to keep this charade chugging along, but not smart enough to question the injustices perpetuated against us.

As far as 99.9999999999% percent of this informed, educated group you think trust the moon landing. Here's an article that can wake you up about how enlightened and intelligent we are as a nation. 20% of Republicans think Obama is the anti-christ. 7% think the moon landing was a hoax. There is absolutely no way to substantiate your hyperbolic statistics. I suggest aligning more with actual statistic and sources instead of using terms like billions and 99.9^{repeating infinitely} % if you expect to appear to have any shred of objectivity. This dream world of informed and educated people doesn't exist, and if you attempt to define it you cannot avoid bias in determining what constitutes informed and educated. 

One more fun thing about Space Programs. You may believe them to all be in competition with one another, and would jump at the chance to debunk each other, but that's not true. They are all apart of the same agenda.

Space Program Logos

Bing results as well for those using Windows XP

Examine those logos for similarities. You'll find that, for even the nations that are apparently enemies or rivals, they share the vector/chevron symbology. You can call it coincidence if you will, but I'm not going to buy it.

The reason they're not "pulling each others cards" or actively trying to debunk each other is because one pull on a loose thread could pull this whole sweater apart quite easily.

Anyway, that is how I feel about that. Take it as you will, as it is, or don't take it at all; makes no difference to me.

Wow.  You actually pulled the logo card.  That's -2 respect points, AND you've activated my trap card!  If you ever did your own research, you would find that NASA's chevron is a wing shape representing aeronautics, the first A in NASA.  In other logos, they have similar chevrons because they represent progress or upward motion. 


The Republican party is a joke.  I'm not sure why you brought them in on this, but a party so quick to support Trump and refer to Obama as the Antichrist is not one I'd consider to be on the rational side of things. 
It's not much of a surprise that so many people believe the moon landing was a hoax, but you never can tell with polls like that.  It might have asked "do you think it's possible that the moon landings could have been faked?"  And, of course, the less intelligent people who think of NASA as little more than a few videos and lots of money will say yes because it might be possible, even if they don't think they were fake.  Unfortunately, ideas can spread without the help of facts.  As long as hoaxers can get people to distrust NASA, even a little, they'll never bother to do unbiased research and find the truth. 

Round fact, you are clearly pushing whatever narrative you've preconceived, not actually listening to or digesting anything I say, otherwise you would notice I never mentioned anything about the earth being flat.

What part of educated and informed being subjective don't you understand?

I get it, you have to believe that you have benevolent trustworthy owners. I don't want to think otherwise, and I wish it was so. But the evidence suggests that we are not ruled by people with the average persons best interests in mind. Throughout history there has never been this hypothetical moral leadership. Money and power ultimately corrupts. This is an inconvenient fact. Whether you wish to go on your merry way and pretend that your existence is anything but inconsequential and expendable to the powers that be, then have fun with that. I wish I could be a happy idiot too. And no it's not my prerogative to inform or educate you about anything so don't ask for any specific evidence as to why I don't share your optimism.

See, we as Round Earthers no longer feel ambiguity as to the shape of the earth.  This is not bias; rather it is correctness.  We know how satellites work, how tides work, how NASA works, how astronomy works, and how engineering works, etc.  The hard part is getting people like you to see that professionals aren't idiots, and that your explanations only make sense if you avoid thinking about them. 

[geckothegeek]

I bet you think this report is telling the truth as well.

And if you do, you're a lot dumber than you think you are.

I'm definitely not reading that.  This is about the moon landings, not terrorist attacks. 

Nobody has ever tried to prove the Earth was round or flat. That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about the validity of Space flight and Space missions.

In short, you could possible chalk it up as a tangled web of deception. Something our governments, communist or capitalist, socialist, fascist, etc etc, all are known for. Everyone has a CIA equivalent. Everyone has questionable programs that operate above the laws of their country, and above international law. When knowledge equals power you can guarantee there is a vested interest in retaining as much of that as they can. We don't have an informed and educated populace. I'm not sure what country you're living in. They want us smart enough to press the buttons to keep this charade chugging along, but not smart enough to question the injustices perpetuated against us.

As far as 99.9999999999% percent of this informed, educated group you think trust the moon landing. Here's an article that can wake you up about how enlightened and intelligent we are as a nation. 20% of Republicans think Obama is the anti-christ. 7% think the moon landing was a hoax. There is absolutely no way to substantiate your hyperbolic statistics. I suggest aligning more with actual statistic and sources instead of using terms like billions and 99.9^{repeating infinitely} % if you expect to appear to have any shred of objectivity. This dream world of informed and educated people doesn't exist, and if you attempt to define it you cannot avoid bias in determining what constitutes informed and educated. 

One more fun thing about Space Programs. You may believe them to all be in competition with one another, and would jump at the chance to debunk each other, but that's not true. They are all apart of the same agenda.

Space Program Logos

Bing results as well for those using Windows XP

Examine those logos for similarities. You'll find that, for even the nations that are apparently enemies or rivals, they share the vector/chevron symbology. You can call it coincidence if you will, but I'm not going to buy it.

The reason they're not "pulling each others cards" or actively trying to debunk each other is because one pull on a loose thread could pull this whole sweater apart quite easily.

Anyway, that is how I feel about that. Take it as you will, as it is, or don't take it at all; makes no difference to me.

Wow.  You actually pulled the logo card.  That's -2 respect points, AND you've activated my trap card!  If you ever did your own research, you would find that NASA's chevron is a wing shape representing aeronautics, the first A in NASA.  In other logos, they have similar chevrons because they represent progress or upward motion. 


The Republican party is a joke.  I'm not sure why you brought them in on this, but a party so quick to support Trump and refer to Obama as the Antichrist is not one I'd consider to be on the rational side of things. 
It's not much of a surprise that so many people believe the moon landing was a hoax, but you never can tell with polls like that.  It might have asked "do you think it's possible that the moon landings could have been faked?"  And, of course, the less intelligent people who think of NASA as little more than a few videos and lots of money will say yes because it might be possible, even if they don't think they were fake.  Unfortunately, ideas can spread without the help of facts.  As long as hoaxers can get people to distrust NASA, even a little, they'll never bother to do unbiased research and find the truth. 

Round fact, you are clearly pushing whatever narrative you've preconceived, not actually listening to or digesting anything I say, otherwise you would notice I never mentioned anything about the earth being flat.

What part of educated and informed being subjective don't you understand?

I get it, you have to believe that you have benevolent trustworthy owners. I don't want to think otherwise, and I wish it was so. But the evidence suggests that we are not ruled by people with the average persons best interests in mind. Throughout history there has never been this hypothetical moral leadership. Money and power ultimately corrupts. This is an inconvenient fact. Whether you wish to go on your merry way and pretend that your existence is anything but inconsequential and expendable to the powers that be, then have fun with that. I wish I could be a happy idiot too. And no it's not my prerogative to inform or educate you about anything so don't ask for any specific evidence as to why I don't share your optimism.

See, we as Round Earthers no longer feel ambiguity as to the shape of the earth.  This is not bias; rather it is correctness.  We know how satellites work, how tides work, how NASA works, how astronomy works, and how engineering works, etc.  The hard part is getting people like you to see that professionals aren't idiots, and that your explanations only make sense if you avoid thinking about them.

I will make no claims as to being a genius (as I have seen some flat earthers claim they are ) But just  an average person who happened to work in technical fields and had a few other hobbies..
But from what I have read from flat earthers I would say  I am more qualified to write on a few subjects such as radio or photography. Maybe some others but these were just subjects of my work or hobbies. And I never stopped studying or learning. I'm retired now , but I had to to keep my job. As pointed out, scientists, engineers, technicians and even some hobbyists are not idiots.

[Round fact]

Round fact, you are clearly pushing whatever narrative you've preconceived, not actually listening to or digesting anything I say, otherwise you would notice I never mentioned anything about the earth being flat.

What part of educated and informed being subjective don't you understand?

I get it, you have to believe that you have benevolent trustworthy owners. I don't won't to think otherwise, and I wish it was so. But the evidence suggests that we are not ruled by people with the average persons best interests in mind. Throughout history there has never been this hypothetical moral leadership. Money and power ultimately corrupts. This is an inconvenient fact. Whether you wish to go on your merry way and pretend that your existence is anything but inconsequential and expendable to the powers that be, than have fun with that. I wish I could be a happy idiot too. And no it's not my prerogative to inform or educate you about anything so dont ask for any specific evidence as to why I dont share your optimism.

You are not interested in facts, honesty or open mindedness.

You have parroted the same old tired "It has been debunked" without ever presenting any general evidence or specifics. Your so far, lame attempts to prove your position, rely on lost video tapes, you call telemetry, and no complete live videos from launch to orbit.

If that is your "evidence" then Charles Lindbergh never flew NYC to Paris non-stop as his log book was stolen when he and the plane were mobbed on his landing at Paris. The evidence of his flight is gone.

Columbus never made it to the New World as his log was faked to keep his crews in line.

Using your criteria most of history never took place because there is no complete documentation of most events.  If a tree falls in the woods and you are not there to see and hear it, by your criteria, it never happened.

Where is YOUR evidence that the Moon Landings were faked?

Photos? Sure go there. My great grandfather was a professional photographer, his daughter, my grandmother was great with a camera, my brother and I took classes in high school and my brother had his own darkroom in the house. Oh and one of the people I served with in Air Force was a Sat Photo expert, and would love to take a shot at the "photo hoax." So yeah please go there. PLEASE. Locked and Loaded for Bear.

I have already debunked the Van Allen Belt Myth as have others here. And I have also debunked the myth that the crews would have been cooked.

So far your evidence hasn't held up to science. BTW the same science that makes computers possible. The same science that has extended your life expediency. The same science that makes your car work while you listen to CDs MP-3, Sat radio and gets you to your destination via GPS. But yeah its all fake 

[TheTruthIsOnHere]

Believe whatever the fuck you want dude. I don't have to prove anything to you, the prodigy descendent of a long line of amateur photographers. Everything I could tell you you can easily find yourself. It's not my job to educate or inform. I don't have to pander to you because your decision is already made.

I love this whole "reverse dissonance" yall like to swear I have. I obviously learned all the same bullshit and saw the same videos and photos as most of you guys growing up. If anything, I should've railed against the conspiracies as well. But because my mind was open, I did the research to draw my own conclusions, by which --excluding this insignificant pack of circle jerking fanboys here-- I am not alone.

There is absolutely nothing I could say or do to whipe that smug shit eating grins off any of your stupid fucking faces. Live in your fantasy world and I'll live in mine.

[Round fact]

Believe whatever the fuck you want dude. I don't have to prove anything to you, the prodigy descendent of a long line of amateur photographers. Everything I could tell you you can easily find yourself. It's not my job to educate or inform. I don't have to pander to you because your decision is already made.

I love this whole "reverse dissonance" yall like to swear I have. I obviously learned all the same bullshit and saw the same videos and photos as most of you guys growing up. If anything, I should've railed against the conspiracies as well. But because my mind was open, I did the research to draw my own conclusions, by which --excluding this insignificant pack of circle jerking fanboys here-- I am not alone.

There is absolutely nothing I could say or do to whipe that smug shit eating grins off any of your stupid fucking faces. Live in your fantasy world and I'll live in mine.

You stated it is a hoax, which puts the burden on you to prove it.

BTW, nice F bombs, an indication you have noting to importance to add and have run out of argument.  Oh and please google the words professional and amateur. You seem to not know the meaning or use of either word.

[TheTruthIsOnHere]

Believe whatever the fuck you want dude. I don't have to prove anything to you, the prodigy descendent of a long line of amateur photographers. Everything I could tell you you can easily find yourself. It's not my job to educate or inform. I don't have to pander to you because your decision is already made.

I love this whole "reverse dissonance" yall like to swear I have. I obviously learned all the same bullshit and saw the same videos and photos as most of you guys growing up. If anything, I should've railed against the conspiracies as well. But because my mind was open, I did the research to draw my own conclusions, by which --excluding this insignificant pack of circle jerking fanboys here-- I am not alone.

There is absolutely nothing I could say or do to whipe that smug shit eating grins off any of your stupid fucking faces. Live in your fantasy world and I'll live in mine.

You stated it is a hoax, which puts the burden on you to prove it.

BTW, nice F bombs, an indication you have noting to importance to add and have run out of argument.  Oh and please google the words professional and amateur. You seem to not know the meaning or use of either word.

There is no burden of proof. The original claim, in my and many other's opinion, is unsubstantiated. Excuse my language, I thought we were all grown men here, if it hurt your ears then do what you've been doing, stick your fingers in them and say "LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"

I'm not out of argument, I'm out of reasons to continue speaking to this group of professional NASA apologists. Or is it amateur? I'm not sure, I know you're not getting paid for it, but you mother fuckers act like this is your job. Anyway, no hard feelings, peace be with you, or whatever. But you can go troll someone else.

[andruszkow]

Believe whatever the fuck you want dude. I don't have to prove anything to you, the prodigy descendent of a long line of amateur photographers. Everything I could tell you you can easily find yourself. It's not my job to educate or inform. I don't have to pander to you because your decision is already made.

I love this whole "reverse dissonance" yall like to swear I have. I obviously learned all the same bullshit and saw the same videos and photos as most of you guys growing up. If anything, I should've railed against the conspiracies as well. But because my mind was open, I did the research to draw my own conclusions, by which --excluding this insignificant pack of circle jerking fanboys here-- I am not alone.

There is absolutely nothing I could say or do to whipe that smug shit eating grins off any of your stupid fucking faces. Live in your fantasy world and I'll live in mine.

You stated it is a hoax, which puts the burden on you to prove it.

BTW, nice F bombs, an indication you have noting to importance to add and have run out of argument.  Oh and please google the words professional and amateur. You seem to not know the meaning or use of either word.

There is no burden of proof. The original claim, in my and many other's opinion, is unsubstantiated. Excuse my language, I thought we were all grown men here, if it hurt your ears then do what you've been doing, stick your fingers in them and say "LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"

I'm not out of argument, I'm out of reasons to continue speaking to this group of professional NASA apologists. Or is it amateur? I'm not sure, I know you're not getting paid for it, but you mother fuckers act like this is your job. Anyway, no hard feelings, peace be with you, or whatever. But you can go troll someone else.

Hide, someone pissed off the creationist.

Looks to me more like you've been muted by things you or your religion just can't explain. Anger seems to be the most appropriate response for sure.

[Round fact]

Believe whatever the fuck you want dude. I don't have to prove anything to you, the prodigy descendent of a long line of amateur photographers. Everything I could tell you you can easily find yourself. It's not my job to educate or inform. I don't have to pander to you because your decision is already made.

I love this whole "reverse dissonance" yall like to swear I have. I obviously learned all the same bullshit and saw the same videos and photos as most of you guys growing up. If anything, I should've railed against the conspiracies as well. But because my mind was open, I did the research to draw my own conclusions, by which --excluding this insignificant pack of circle jerking fanboys here-- I am not alone.

There is absolutely nothing I could say or do to whipe that smug shit eating grins off any of your stupid fucking faces. Live in your fantasy world and I'll live in mine.

You stated it is a hoax, which puts the burden on you to prove it.

BTW, nice F bombs, an indication you have noting to importance to add and have run out of argument.  Oh and please google the words professional and amateur. You seem to not know the meaning or use of either word.

There is no burden of proof. The original claim, in my and many other's opinion, is unsubstantiated. Excuse my language, I thought we were all grown men here, if it hurt your ears then do what you've been doing, stick your fingers in them and say "LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"

I'm not out of argument, I'm out of reasons to continue speaking to this group of professional NASA apologists. Or is it amateur? I'm not sure, I know you're not getting paid for it, but you mother fuckers act like this is your job. Anyway, no hard feelings, peace be with you, or whatever. But you can go troll someone else.

I can cuss the wallpaper off a wall in three languages and in two dialects of two of the languages.

But what I have found in my 62 years is that in a debate/discussion the person that resorts to F-bombs is just firing blind and hopes something sticks. Much like the political left throws out the Race Card, hoping the Right will back down from a position they cannot defend. It is funny in any. But sad mostly.

On flip side FET has given my a great idea for a new Sci-fi book, though working out the details is a headache and then some.

And I understand why you cannot defend your position that NASA faked the Moon landings. Its like attempting to prove Middle Earth is real.

[TheTruthIsOnHere]

Can't and won't are two different things. You're supposedly a writer you should be able to interpret the language I've used. Can I have a link to some of your published work. If you don't mind? I want to see how brilliant of a mind I'm supposed to be pandering to. Would love to see what science fiction written by a Donald Trump supporter looks like.

[Round fact]

Can't and won't are two different things. You're supposedly a writer you should be able to interpret the language I've used. Can I have a link to some of your published work. If you don't mind? I want to see how brilliant of a mind I'm supposed to be pandering to. Would love to see what science fiction written by a Donald Trump supporter looks like.

You're not good at making accurate assumptions. Trump gets my vote ONLY if it is him or any dim, I mean Dem. I abhor Serial Lairs and Socialists.  I gave 30 years to my country in support to our Constitutional Republic and will be damned if I'd vote for ANY leftist. I hope it is Ted Cruz.

Don't want to appear I am here to promote my books, so I sent you the link on Messages.