[markjo]

https://united24media.com/war-in-ukraine/a-timeline-of-russias-nuclear-threats-against-the-west-947

Here's a big scary list of all the times Russia has brought up using weapons that don't exist and then, unsurprisingly, not using them.

Here is a big scary list of all the times Russia tested weapons that don't exist and then, unsurprisingly, tested them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapons_tests_of_the_Soviet_Union

[Rushy]

https://united24media.com/war-in-ukraine/a-timeline-of-russias-nuclear-threats-against-the-west-947

Here's a big scary list of all the times Russia has brought up using weapons that don't exist and then, unsurprisingly, not using them.

Here is a big scary list of all the times Russia tested weapons that don't exist and then, unsurprisingly, tested them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapons_tests_of_the_Soviet_Union

Ah, yes, of course. The government of the Soviet Union. Well renowned for their trustworthiness and guile. How could I possibly claim they made something up? It's impossible.

[markjo]

https://united24media.com/war-in-ukraine/a-timeline-of-russias-nuclear-threats-against-the-west-947

Here's a big scary list of all the times Russia has brought up using weapons that don't exist and then, unsurprisingly, not using them.

Here is a big scary list of all the times Russia tested weapons that don't exist and then, unsurprisingly, tested them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapons_tests_of_the_Soviet_Union

Ah, yes, of course. The government of the Soviet Union. Well renowned for their trustworthiness and guile. How could I possibly claim they made something up? It's impossible.

Well, it was the Cold War.  They were obligated to keep up with all of the US tests of weapons that don't exist, weren't they?

[Rushy]

Well, it was the Cold War.  They were obligated to keep up with all of the US tests of weapons that don't exist, weren't they?

Correct. The Cold War was primarily an information (read: propaganda) war. It turns out that propaganda alone cannot run an economy, so the Soviet Union collapsed.

Nuclear weapons are propaganda to keep up the current geopolitical regime.

[Tom Bishop]

Considering the honesty of the governments and vast incentive and resources to do this, this claim of possessing nuclear weapons can pretty much be boiled down to 'somebody said something'.

[AATW]

They must feel like right idiots, suffering all the effects of the bombs which don't exist.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4ng2873jro

[Rushy]

They must feel like right idiots, suffering all the effects of the bombs which don't exist.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4ng2873jro

If you read the article you'd notice a whole lot of no evidence for any of these people's claims. One goes as far as to say he flew through nuclear weapon clouds, yet no medical evidence proves that is the case. Mysteriously, the records proving their claims all vanished into thin air! How odd!

It's almost like the government didn't want physical records with a paper trail that would prove their propaganda to be blatantly false.

[Yonnipun]

Does everybody know that bank in Hiro was opened 2 days after the explosion. The trams were running 3 days after. Old pictures show that electric poles and trees were standing still just after the explosion. Nothing got vaporized there. Roads on the ground were intact. No crater. No bald spot.
83000 people turned to live Hiro just after the bombing. In February 1946 the population in Hiro was already 169000. In 1955 already 500000 people lived in Hiro. In 1964 the population rised over 1 million people.
You see Hiro and Naga got populated very quickly.

Did you also know that the Chernobyl power station continued to produce electricity till 2000 and was only closed because of external pressure. It shows that the concerns about the dangers of radioactivity are greatly overhyped.

Galen Winsor was a nuclear specialist and engineer and has made videos of licking uranium dust. He also swam in cooling water of the reactor and even drink the water from it. Just to show to the regulators that the radioactivity fear is overhyped. He and his team barehandedly built the nuclear arsenal of US before the regulators got into the business.

Gun type bomb that was used in Hiro was never tested. Wiki says: " it was assumed almost certainly to work".

Implosion type bomb supposedly compressed plutonium metal to double density with conventional explosives. Do you belive that a metal could be compressed to double density? Metal is solid and would not compress like a gas.

Also, the velocity of gases and debris from conventional explosives is around 4km/s to 10 km/s. The 6 kg of plutonium inside the bomb was inside 120 kg and 7cm thick uranium shell which itself was inside 120 kg duraluminium shell. The conventional explosives supposedly needed to schock vaporize those shells to reach to the plutonium and to the beryllium pellet inside the plutonium .

Now consider that the apollo tin can space capsule entered the atmosphere at 11 km/s and was violently braked down in 5 minutes and did not ever overheat or got compressed to double density. It did not vaporized although spent 5 minutes in violent atmospheric drag. This kind of braking is equivalent to 250 tons of rocket fuel burned in the rocket engine to brake the capsule down from 11 km/s.

Why should we belive that 120 kg 7 cm thick uranium shell covered with 120 kg duraluminium shell hollow kettlebell with 6 kg plutonium inside would even vaporize with conventional explosives giving expanding  gas velocities around 8 km/s. I myself do not belive it would vaporize. 

The explosion would simply mirror from the duraluminium and uranium shell and move towards empty atmosphere.

Also, does anybody remember  Jumbo. The 200 ton metallic nuclear condom to prevent rare element plutonium to spread all over the place if the test bomb would only fizzle. It was built , it was dragged to place and eventually they did not use it because as explained" we had enough plutonium eventually and we do not want to spread another 200 tons of radiactive materials into the atmosphere".

In reality they chickened out because the one foot thick walled Jumbo would not simply vaporize. So they dragged it away and built a platform for it to suspend it in the air. After the explosion it simply fell down but otherwise it was completely intact. No scratch, no nothing. They even wanted to destroy it with conventional explosives but only managed to blow off side caps, nothing more. Remember , modern tank weigh also 50 , 70 tons. If Jumbo got no scratces then modern tanks would also be fine. No vaporization , nothing.


So, in overall, nukes are hoax. Beautiful scam to milk taxpayers money endlessly.

Cold war was also hoax. Russia was  starving and US sent goverment subsidized grain there to help out.

[TenGolf]

Fun fact: on 2 Nov 2023, Russia revoked its CTBT ratification.

The threat is real - and has been for over a year.

[Rushy]

Fun fact: on 2 Nov 2023, Russia revoked its CTBT ratification.

The threat is real - and has been for over a year.

Yes, Russia's nuclear bombs are very scary and very real. That's why every time Putin says "if you do x we will nuke you" and then we do x, we have gotten nuked. We just keep getting nuked over and over again. It's horrible. Sometimes I wake up and my front yard has been nuked several times in a row. I hope we all surrender to Putin soon so he stops nuking us.

[AATW]

Fun fact: on 2 Nov 2023, Russia revoked its CTBT ratification.

The threat is real - and has been for over a year.

Yes, Russia's nuclear bombs are very scary and very real. That's why every time Putin says "if you do x we will nuke you" and then we do x, we have gotten nuked. We just keep getting nuked over and over again. It's horrible. Sometimes I wake up and my front yard has been nuked several times in a row. I hope we all surrender to Putin soon so he stops nuking us.

It's just possible that Putin hasn't nuked us because he knows that we would retaliate.
The only time they've been used in warfare was when the country which used them was the only one who had them.

[TenGolf]

Fun fact: on 2 Nov 2023, Russia revoked its CTBT ratification.

The threat is real - and has been for over a year.

Yes, Russia's nuclear bombs are very scary and very real. That's why every time Putin says "if you do x we will nuke you" and then we do x, we have gotten nuked. We just keep getting nuked over and over again. It's horrible. Sometimes I wake up and my front yard has been nuked several times in a row. I hope we all surrender to Putin soon so he stops nuking us.

Yeah, my house is a wasteland.

[Yonnipun]

Fun fact: on 2 Nov 2023, Russia revoked its CTBT ratification.

The threat is real - and has been for over a year.

You are afraid of a piece of paper.

Nukes do not exist. Nuclear reaction is not explosive.

[dmpro]

BS.  My uncle's friend's son said he saw the mushroom cloud of a nuclear test once.
This is rock solid evidence that is irrifutable.

I understand you're making a claim about someone observing a nuclear test mushroom cloud, but I should point out that this type of secondhand or thirdhand account (from your uncle's friend's son) wouldn't generally be considered "rock solid" or "irrefutable" evidence from an evidentiary standpoint.

While it's entirely possible that someone could have observed a nuclear test mushroom cloud - many nuclear tests were conducted above ground until the Limited Test Ban Treaty of 1963, and some countries continued atmospheric testing after that - scientifically speaking, personal anecdotes, especially when relayed through multiple people, are considered one of the weaker forms of evidence.

For claims about historical events like nuclear tests, more reliable evidence would include official documentation, photographs, radiation measurements, seismic recordings, multiple consistent firsthand accounts, and other forms of physical or well-documented evidence.

If you're interested in verified information about nuclear testing, there are comprehensive historical records available from various government archives and scientific institutions.

[Kakashi]

Considering all of the recent fearmongering regarding Putin using nuclear weapons, I felt it necessary to remind everyone here that nuclear weapons simply do not exist.

They're not real.

They're made up.

It's a meme.

Seriously, they are nothing other than WWII propaganda that the Allies made up to scare Japan into surrendering and to keep Russia from continuing the war. Then Russia started to claim it also totally had nukes and yet no one ever used them. Suspiciously, no one anywhere ever uses them! Wow! It must be because humanity is so strong willed and moral and definitely not because they don't exist.

Considering all of the recent fearmongering regarding Putin using nuclear weapons, I felt it necessary to remind everyone here that nuclear weapons simply do not exist.

They're not real.

They're made up.

It's a meme.

Seriously, they are nothing other than WWII propaganda that the Allies made up to scare Japan into surrendering and to keep Russia from continuing the war. Then Russia started to claim it also totally had nukes and yet no one ever used them. Suspiciously, no one anywhere ever uses them! Wow! It must be because humanity is so strong willed and moral and definitely not because they don't exist.

[AATW]

Suspiciously, no one anywhere ever uses them! Wow! It must be because humanity is so strong willed and moral

No, it's because of the consequences of using them.
The only time they've been used in the context of a war is when no-one else had them.
And lol @ the idea that Japan surrendered because of "propaganda" and not because two of their cities had been absolutely flattened in a way not possible with conventional weapons.

[CaptainAmerica]

Suspiciously, no one anywhere ever uses them! Wow! It must be because humanity is so strong willed and moral

No, it's because of the consequences of using them.
The only time they've been used in the context of a war is when no-one else had them.
And lol @ the idea that Japan surrendered because of "propaganda" and not because two of their cities had been absolutely flattened in a way not possible with conventional weapons.

Regarding the terrible effects of these weapons and the circumstances surrounding their usage, you raise a crucial point. Unquestionably, the devastation brought about by the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a major factor in Japan's capitulation. At the time, conventional weaponry could not have caused the level of destruction. The immediate and horrifying effects of the bombings are difficult to overlook as the primary element in Japan's choice, even though propaganda may have had a role in influencing opinions.

Do you think that the reluctance to use such weapons around the world since then is only related to the repercussions, or do you think that other variables, such as mutual deterrence, also play a part?

[markjo]

Suspiciously, no one anywhere ever uses them!

Nonsense.  Over 2000 atomic and nuclear bombs have been used in test explosions over the years by at least 8 countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapons_tests#Tests_by_country

[AATW]

Do you think that the reluctance to use such weapons around the world since then is only related to the repercussions, or do you think that other variables, such as mutual deterrence, also play a part?

I'd suggest those are more-or-less the same thing. Anyone who dropped a nuke would immediately be the "bad guy" and if it was on a country which either had nuclear capabilities or is ally with one it would almost certainly lead to a retaliation and then it could all escalate into MAD. I don't think anyone is quite mad enough to press the button. And in real life of course there isn't a button - there are checks and balances. Maybe not in North Korea but I don't think even Putin literally has a button on his desk marked "Nuke the West" which he could press on a whim.