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If theres a second round of violent protests, whose fault is it?

Donald J Trump
2 (66.7%)
Fkin AntiFa
0 (0%)
A bunch of dumb rednecks
0 (0%)
The grand ol' Party
1 (33.3%)
Fuck tha Police
0 (0%)

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Re: Capitol hill, jan 6: protest, attempted coup, or something in between?
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2021, 09:14:12 PM »
Let's not forget that virtually every computer in the Capitol has to be assumed compromised, every room thoroughly scanned for bugs, etc. It's not as exciting for TV to talk about, but this whole thing was a perfect distraction for malicious actors; very likely the whole point of the "protest".
I think that's giving them a bit too much credit.
It was a coup in the same way that your 6 year old is definitely leaving home and you find them at the nearest intersection because they're not allowed to cross the road on their own. They're mostly a load of kids running around causing mischief. Adult kids, but still.
Some of them probably had pretentions of something more sinister but it doesn't feel like there was any real plan or co-ordination behind it.
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Re: Capitol hill, jan 6: protest, attempted coup, or something in between?
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2021, 09:38:47 PM »
I think that's giving them a bit too much credit.
Let me try to rephrase, since I don't think we actually disagree:

The mastermind behind the whole situation unleashed a bunch of useful idiots on the Capitol, and while that was going down, a small handful of people who aren't completely mindless could have easily walked in among the crowd and done a lot of good covert work. Since the date and location were planned, and floor plans were exchanged well in advance of the event (they weren't even really hiding it), it speaks to reason that SOME of them were organised.
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Re: Capitol hill, jan 6: protest, attempted coup, or something in between?
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2021, 09:58:08 PM »
I think that's giving them a bit too much credit.
Let me try to rephrase, since I don't think we actually disagree:

The mastermind behind the whole situation unleashed a bunch of useful idiots on the Capitol, and while that was going down, a small handful of people who aren't completely mindless could have easily walked in among the crowd and done a lot of good covert work. Since the date and location were planned, and floor plans were exchanged well in advance of the event (they weren't even really hiding it), it speaks to reason that SOME of them were organised.

Iran, China, Russia... all of those would have been idiots to NOT have someone stationed at the protests just to keep an eye on them.  And this would have been one helll of an opportunity to get into highly sensitive data.  Even if it wasn't planned, it was still something any spy would have jumped on.
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Re: Capitol hill, jan 6: protest, attempted coup, or something in between?
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2021, 10:07:07 PM »
I think that's giving them a bit too much credit.
Let me try to rephrase, since I don't think we actually disagree:

The mastermind behind the whole situation unleashed a bunch of useful idiots on the Capitol, and while that was going down, a small handful of people who aren't completely mindless could have easily walked in among the crowd and done a lot of good covert work. Since the date and location were planned, and floor plans were exchanged well in advance of the event (they weren't even really hiding it), it speaks to reason that SOME of them were organised.
Interesting. Certainly plausible.
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Re: Capitol hill, jan 6: protest, attempted coup, or something in between?
« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2021, 10:07:57 PM »
Yeah, Pete's right. Basically all the IT and security staff are now working overtime doing asset management and assessment stuff. Everything is assumed compromised, and basically everything needs to be inspected for potential monitoring and recording devices. Everything down to removing and inspecting outlet covers, light switches, ceiling fans, toilet paper roll holders...

Its exceedingly unlikely that foreign agents didnt try to take advantage of the mob of useful idiots having their day in the sun last week

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Re: Capitol hill, jan 6: protest, attempted coup, or something in between?
« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2021, 02:58:21 AM »
Doesn't sound like trespassing if they were welcomed into the building.

https://www.businessinsider.com/capitol-police-officers-suspended-after-pro-trump-riots-2021-1?international=true&r=US&IR=T



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Re: Capitol hill, jan 6: protest, attempted coup, or something in between?
« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2021, 03:09:44 AM »
Doesn't sound like trespassing if they were welcomed into the building.

https://www.businessinsider.com/capitol-police-officers-suspended-after-pro-trump-riots-2021-1?international=true&r=US&IR=T



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Re: Capitol hill, jan 6: protest, attempted coup, or something in between?
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2021, 08:30:24 PM »
Trouble is, as Tom shows on here daily, they are mostly sadly deluded and inept.

I’m sure Tom still had a nice day out though.


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Re: Capitol hill, jan 6: protest, attempted coup, or something in between?
« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2021, 08:44:09 PM »
It’s a fair cop, guv.
Although the second one was obviously a joke.
But fine, I’ll behave.
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Re: Capitol hill, jan 6: protest, attempted coup, or something in between?
« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2021, 08:53:45 PM »
It doesnt sound like the USCP is going to be doing a lot of 'welcoming' for the next round of visitors to the capitol... No ones worried about the 'optics' of having national guard at the capitol for round 2, but police planners think having a strong presence will be enough to deter 'protestors' from violence like last time. I'm not so sure...

The next wave of 'prostestors' are promising to be armed and are putting together Rules of engagement so that participants know when to shoot...


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Re: Capitol hill, jan 6: protest, attempted coup, or something in between?
« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2021, 09:35:31 PM »

We had 3 things at work. 

1. A bunch of rednecks wandering around high fiving (hardly a coup)
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2. Some idiots that are going to do hard time for breaking in

It was certainly more than breaking and entering.  Some were armed, there was violence attached to their unlawful trespass, and they used the violence to disprupt the operation of government, which is sedition.

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3. The press that raved about Coups and insurrections.   

There is definitely some hyperbole from the left.  There is certainly some of the right who are trying to make this seem like no big deal, which is also wrong.


The problem is what it's always been, the mad dogs. Other than motive there is not a lot of difference between the marchers in BLM and the rednecks walking around the capitol grounds taking pics. What set it all apart were the mad dogs that showed up for BLM and for this clusterfuck.

For once someone actually shot one of the mad dogs.
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Re: Capitol hill, jan 6: protest, attempted coup, or something in between?
« Reply #32 on: January 18, 2021, 03:25:30 AM »
Round 2 starts this week...?

http://imgur.com/gallery/KdV49RS
Boogaloo boys in Michigan and ohio capitols

Not seeing any details on accuracy or timing of the photos in the linked post which was taken from a couple reddit users' posts...

Edit: just a handful of armed boogaloo today compared to number of press and defense personnel at the capitols.
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