Questions for Flat Earthers
« on: September 28, 2020, 01:22:01 AM »
Hello! I'm writing a profile over the flat earth movement for my composition class, so to better understand my topic I was hoping I could get some answers from all of you. What lead to believing that the world is flat instead of round? What lead you to have such distrust towards organizations like the government? How has being a flat earther affected your life?

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Offline ÆternisTaciti86

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Re: Questions for Flat Earthers
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2020, 02:47:41 AM »
This should sum it up.......stillshot of footage from 100,000 ft in the atmosphere
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Re: Questions for Flat Earthers
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2020, 04:38:54 AM »
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What lead to believing that the world is flat instead of round?

Personally I don't believe that the world is flat.  If you believe the earth is round, or flat, or dodecahedron you don't have knowledge/fact, you have faith.  Belief has no place in knowledge/fact, least of all scientific.  Far too many people believe when they ought to know. 

Many flat earth researchers consider themselves to be skeptical of a globe, or further - globe deniers.  Generally, both aforementioned groups accept/recognize that we do not have enough verified and verifiable data to determine the shape of the entire world.

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What lead you to have such distrust towards organizations like the government?

Historical and contemporary study of their actions.  The MIC is not your friend, and people should have listened to eisenhower (checkout his farewell address) and jefferson.

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How has being a flat earther affected your life?

It is important to understand that "flat earther" is a derogatory that virtually none self-ascribe to themselves.  Flat earther is intentionally conflated with stupid, primitive, denialist, anti-science, anti-intellectual, regressionist etc.  Flat earth researchers have wildly different approaches, views, and ideas.  There is no such thing as a "flat earther" nor a set of criteria that works to describe them.  The term is not for description, it's for slander.

That said, I'll answer the question that you should have asked : "How have your alternative views on the shape of the world affected your life?"

They have sparked a renewed interest in science, and the scientific method.  Its also put me in a slightly difficult spot, as i wish to have discussions about this "verboten" subject with many others but recognize that most people are simply not ready to critically evaluate their views (on this subject and scores of others).
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Re: Questions for Flat Earthers
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2020, 04:47:31 PM »
I don't know where I stand on the issue. I know I don't believe NASA because there's just too much evidence showing that they are misleading people. Still, I don't know whether the earth is flat or not. I've been trying to work it out for some time. For instance I ask myself how is it that the atmosphere is able to turn at the same time as the earth as if it's glued in place. That doesn't make much sense to me. But then when I ask the question someone will come along and say something like Well, you don't understand how gravity works - which I have no answer for because they're right I don't understand how gravity works lol!

Re: Questions for Flat Earthers
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2020, 05:02:11 AM »
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Still, I don't know whether the earth is flat or not

You and everybody else!  There is only one way to determine the shape of the earth, and the data hasn't even been collected yet (let alone rigorously and repeatedly validated and verified). No one has any idea what the shape of the entire world is - they lack the verified and verifiable data to make such a determination.

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which I have no answer for because they're right I don't understand how gravity works lol!

You're in good company! Absolutely no one does! (except perhaps people that know gravity, beyond a natural law, is fiction)


Re: Questions for Flat Earthers
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2020, 11:50:47 AM »
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Still, I don't know whether the earth is flat or not

You and everybody else!  There is only one way to determine the shape of the earth, and the data hasn't even been collected yet (let alone rigorously and repeatedly validated and verified).


What way is that?
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Re: Questions for Flat Earthers
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2020, 01:21:08 PM »
... I don't believe NASA because there's just too much evidence showing that they are misleading people.

What has NASA got to do with it (where "it" is the shape of the Earth)?
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Re: Questions for Flat Earthers
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2020, 09:09:23 PM »
... I don't believe NASA because there's just too much evidence showing that they are misleading people.

What has NASA got to do with it (where "it" is the shape of the Earth)?

Many people become interested in Flat Earth after realising NASA has been lying to them. That's the connection.

Re: Questions for Flat Earthers
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2020, 11:20:28 PM »
@iceman

Rigorous and repeated measurement of the earth! (not the sky or any other damned thing - there seems to be significant confusion on this simple point)

Re: Questions for Flat Earthers
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2020, 11:54:51 PM »
Yeah ok, but how, specifically?

I mean we can all agree that it's really big, so we can agree that creates practical challenges in measuring it.

I wont claim to be an expert on any of these things, so you can take whatever you want with the studies that test RE vs FE I mention below, but they provide extremely useful information on earth's shape using simple observations and trigonometry.

- measure the angle/length of shadows at solar noon on an equinox. The changing angles will allow you to measure the changing shape of the earth

- measure the angle of the sun at sunrise and sunset on either equinox. It is always due east at sunrise and due west at sunset. These hold for everyone on earth, on any latitude.

-plot out a travel path with three 90-degree turns. When you have a big enough travel path, you can make an equilateral triangle. This would not be possible on a flat surface.

Like I said, I'm no expert on this, but I'm curious what repeatable measurements of the earth you would qualify could assess its shape.
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Re: Questions for Flat Earthers
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2020, 08:43:17 AM »
Rigorous and repeated measurement of the earth!

We've been doing that for centuries: it's called surveying, and more generally topography.

And to be able to fit together everyone's measurements, we came up with the World Geodetic System.
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Re: Questions for Flat Earthers
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2020, 09:41:02 AM »
Measurement first done by Norwood in the 1600s to calculate length of one degree of meridian, and thereby the circumference.

Confirmed by a differing method, in two distinct locations, by the French Geodesic Mission, in the 1700s.

As was said, surveying and topography which followed, up to the present day.
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