Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #120 on: August 31, 2020, 10:59:23 PM »
I have to say the killing in Austin is way harder to draw conclusions from.  The guy in the car could have been justified if the man approaching with a rifle had raised it at the last moment in a threatening way (we don't know that he did, and we don't know that he didn't, right?).  Or possibly he was super unjustified and the guy approaching the car with the rifle had it lowered barrel pointing at the ground the whole time. That seems like he should not have been shot.

But there's also lots of "frame of mind" questions - did the man in the car feel threatened for his life? 

From only this article I don't personally feel we can make a solid judgment on whether it was justified.   (Unlike the Kyle R. event which I think now has tons of exculpatory evidence already).

Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #121 on: August 31, 2020, 11:41:58 PM »
Written five days after that NPR article, the Texas Tribune has more info on that Austin shooting:
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/31/daniel-perry-austin-protest-garrett-foster/

Here's one quote from it:
"Broden wrote that “several witnesses” confirmed that Foster pointed his gun toward Perry first."

Foster is the man in the street with a rifle. Perry is the man driving the car who killed Foster. 

Maybe we STILL don't have all the facts, but here's at least one article that creates the plausibility that Perry believed he was protecting his life and acting in self-defense. 

And I think it's telling that Perry has been cooperating with law enforcement. More articles about him:

https://www.fox7austin.com/news/lawyers-of-army-sergeant-who-fatally-shot-garrett-foster-release-new-information-photos

https://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2020-08-07/a-show-of-police-force-after-fosters-killer-is-idd/








 

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Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #122 on: September 01, 2020, 09:22:03 AM »
Written five days after that NPR article, the Texas Tribune has more info on that Austin shooting:
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/31/daniel-perry-austin-protest-garrett-foster/

Here's one quote from it:
"Broden wrote that “several witnesses” confirmed that Foster pointed his gun toward Perry first."

Foster is the man in the street with a rifle. Perry is the man driving the car who killed Foster. 

Maybe we STILL don't have all the facts, but here's at least one article that creates the plausibility that Perry believed he was protecting his life and acting in self-defense. 

And I think it's telling that Perry has been cooperating with law enforcement. More articles about him:

https://www.fox7austin.com/news/lawyers-of-army-sergeant-who-fatally-shot-garrett-foster-release-new-information-photos

https://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2020-08-07/a-show-of-police-force-after-fosters-killer-is-idd/

If that's accurate, then yeah, Foster deserved to die.  I must have been going on old information then.  No question there.

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Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #123 on: September 02, 2020, 05:15:44 PM »
If that's accurate, then yeah, Foster deserved to die.  I must have been going on old information then.  No question there.

I am impressed, it is rare these days for people to admit it when they are misinformed.  That is the problem, the press grabs something and goes for the sensationalism  for ratings amd political agendas.   Yes on both sides, I long ago lost the stomach to listen to Fox, CNN, or MSNBC.  People only care about there own agendas.   The most current one that comes to mind is Don Lemom saying the rioting has to stop as it is hurting Bidon in the poles, not that people are being killed, injured, or losing businesses they worked to build.   I am sure there are as many FOX examples as CNN examples.

The thing we all need to remember is not a single one of the politicians at a national level give a rats ass about us.  And very few at local levels.
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Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #124 on: September 02, 2020, 06:13:48 PM »
I often wondered why there is no news network that just tells the news. No agenda, no opinions, just facts. You would think it would be very advertiser friendly and would win viewers from across the political spectrum. I'm guessing the issues are as follows.

1) As soon as the outlet gets a large enough audience, someone buys it to take advantage of that trusting audience and remove the threat.
2) Finding actual journalists, instead of activists who write, is likely impossible. I guess the people who go into it and actually get a break are those who slot into the liberal hive mind ... or they work for Fox.
3) I'm guessing that people actually like opinion based reporting. That just straight facts is dry and boring or that people like a large dose of conformation bias in their news stories.

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« Reply #125 on: September 02, 2020, 06:18:08 PM »
There is definitely a significant portion of reporters who aren't interested in activist reporting, but are forced to do it for editorial reasons.  "To play the game"

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Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #126 on: September 02, 2020, 06:18:54 PM »
I often wondered why there is no news network that just tells the news. No agenda, no opinions, just facts. You would think it would be very advertiser friendly and would win viewers from across the political spectrum. I'm guessing the issues are as follows.

1) As soon as the outlet gets a large enough audience, someone buys it to take advantage of that trusting audience and remove the threat.
2) Finding actual journalists, instead of activists who write, is likely impossible. I guess the people who go into it and actually get a break are those who slot into the liberal hive mind ... or they work for Fox.
3) I'm guessing that people actually like opinion based reporting. That just straight facts is dry and boring or that people like a large dose of conformation bias in their news stories.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It seems to me that most people I hear talking,  take comfort from watching a station that confirms their beliefs with no challenge.  I can't imagine any other reason people could stomach Chris Hayes, Maddow, Carlson, Hannity etc.
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Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #127 on: September 02, 2020, 06:27:31 PM »
Maddow and Little Brian Stelter make me sick in my own mouth. 🤢

And yes, I got so sick of not having a puking emoji to convey my feelings, I've added one to my text expander.
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Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #128 on: September 02, 2020, 06:34:42 PM »
Maddow and Little Brian Stelter make me sick in my own mouth. 🤢

And yes, I got so sick of not having a puking emoji to convey my feelings, I've added one to my text expander.

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« Reply #129 on: September 02, 2020, 06:39:04 PM »
Maddow and Little Brian Stelter make me sick in my own mouth. 🤢

And yes, I got so sick of not having a puking emoji to convey my feelings, I've added one to my text expander.

Its good to know that all your talk about not being concerned with foreign affairs was just for show.

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Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #130 on: September 02, 2020, 07:05:38 PM »
It seems to me that most people I hear talking,  take comfort from watching a station that confirms their beliefs with no challenge.  I can't imagine any other reason people could stomach Chris Hayes, Maddow, Carlson, Hannity etc.

I don't like watching anyone who's just yelling at me all red faced and angry.

I can piss myself off by reading the news just fine, I don't need help.

No wonder people who listen to Rush or Hanity or Tucker or Maddow all day are upset.

The world would be a better place without all of them.

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Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #131 on: September 02, 2020, 07:07:47 PM »
I like Tucker. He's probably my favourite out of all of them. He's almost reasonable.
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Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #132 on: September 02, 2020, 07:32:55 PM »
Maddow and Little Brian Stelter make me sick in my own mouth. 🤢

And yes, I got so sick of not having a puking emoji to convey my feelings, I've added one to my text expander.

Its good to know that all your talk about not being concerned with foreign affairs was just for show.

What does that have to do with all the liars in the MSM?
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Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #133 on: September 02, 2020, 07:38:42 PM »
Maddow and Little Brian Stelter make me sick in my own mouth. 🤢

And yes, I got so sick of not having a puking emoji to convey my feelings, I've added one to my text expander.

Its good to know that all your talk about not being concerned with foreign affairs was just for show.

What does that have to do with all the liars in the MSM?

Thork contributes to shitty tribalism as much as the news does. He has one set of standards for people he condemns and another for those he condones.

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Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #134 on: September 02, 2020, 07:44:12 PM »
I often wondered why there is no news network that just tells the news. No agenda, no opinions, just facts. You would think it would be very advertiser friendly and would win viewers from across the political spectrum. I'm guessing the issues are as follows.

1) As soon as the outlet gets a large enough audience, someone buys it to take advantage of that trusting audience and remove the threat.
2) Finding actual journalists, instead of activists who write, is likely impossible. I guess the people who go into it and actually get a break are those who slot into the liberal hive mind ... or they work for Fox.
3) I'm guessing that people actually like opinion based reporting. That just straight facts is dry and boring or that people like a large dose of conformation bias in their news stories.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Umm... NPR.
The AP.  The AP especially are exactly what you want.  Its literally just the facts.  0 Bias.  Its very very boring journalism that most major news agencies copy off of and add in their own flair.

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Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #135 on: September 02, 2020, 07:49:40 PM »
I often wondered why there is no news network that just tells the news. No agenda, no opinions, just facts. You would think it would be very advertiser friendly and would win viewers from across the political spectrum. I'm guessing the issues are as follows.

1) As soon as the outlet gets a large enough audience, someone buys it to take advantage of that trusting audience and remove the threat.
2) Finding actual journalists, instead of activists who write, is likely impossible. I guess the people who go into it and actually get a break are those who slot into the liberal hive mind ... or they work for Fox.
3) I'm guessing that people actually like opinion based reporting. That just straight facts is dry and boring or that people like a large dose of conformation bias in their news stories.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Umm... NPR.
The AP.  The AP especially are exactly what you want.  Its literally just the facts.  0 Bias.  Its very very boring journalism that most major news agencies copy off of and add in their own flair.

The scary thing is Fox News watchers think NPR is some kind of evil liberal socialist hive of scum and villainy. Republicans constantly try and defund it.

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Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #136 on: September 02, 2020, 08:09:03 PM »
I often wondered why there is no news network that just tells the news. No agenda, no opinions, just facts. You would think it would be very advertiser friendly and would win viewers from across the political spectrum. I'm guessing the issues are as follows.

1) As soon as the outlet gets a large enough audience, someone buys it to take advantage of that trusting audience and remove the threat.
2) Finding actual journalists, instead of activists who write, is likely impossible. I guess the people who go into it and actually get a break are those who slot into the liberal hive mind ... or they work for Fox.
3) I'm guessing that people actually like opinion based reporting. That just straight facts is dry and boring or that people like a large dose of conformation bias in their news stories.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Umm... NPR.
The AP.  The AP especially are exactly what you want.  Its literally just the facts.  0 Bias.  Its very very boring journalism that most major news agencies copy off of and add in their own flair.

The scary thing is Fox News watchers think NPR is some kind of evil liberal socialist hive of scum and villainy. Republicans constantly try and defund it.

Don't you know?  Fox is fair and balanced.  So anything to the left of Fox must be evil.

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Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #137 on: September 02, 2020, 08:17:07 PM »
Defunding the NPR is funny since about 90% of their funds come from non-government sources.