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Electromagnetic Acceleration
« on: June 12, 2020, 12:40:32 PM »
What ACTUALLY causes light to curve in such a drastic way??
Although there are factors to take into account, like refraction and such, light does not bend as much as it is shown: https://wiki.tfes.org/images/b/bf/Electromagnetic_Accelerator.gif

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Re: Electromagnetic Acceleration
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2020, 02:47:32 PM »
What ACTUALLY causes light to curve in such a drastic way??
Although there are factors to take into account, like refraction and such, light does not bend as much as it is shown: https://wiki.tfes.org/images/b/bf/Electromagnetic_Accelerator.gif

Agreed, if such a bend was happening we would see the Sun like an oval, not a disk, at sunset or sunrise.
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Re: Electromagnetic Acceleration
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2020, 03:36:50 PM »
What ACTUALLY causes light to curve in such a drastic way??
Although there are factors to take into account, like refraction and such, light does not bend as much as it is shown: https://wiki.tfes.org/images/b/bf/Electromagnetic_Accelerator.gif

How do know how much light bends?

What ACTUALLY causes light to curve in such a drastic way??
Although there are factors to take into account, like refraction and such, light does not bend as much as it is shown: https://wiki.tfes.org/images/b/bf/Electromagnetic_Accelerator.gif

Agreed, if such a bend was happening we would see the Sun like an oval, not a disk, at sunset or sunrise.

That's what see at sunrise and sunset . Do some research .

Re: Electromagnetic Acceleration
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2020, 05:57:23 PM »
After some thought it's even worst, on a flat horizon we should see the shape of very distant mountains, those mountains whose sight, on FE, is hidden behind a "fog", now would come up again as a shadow. So an oval with the shadow of distant mountains.

Agreed, if such a bend was happening we would see the Sun like an oval, not a disk, at sunset or sunrise.

That's what see at sunrise and sunset . Do some research .

Prove me wrong with a pic?
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Re: Electromagnetic Acceleration
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2020, 04:20:27 PM »
To jump in on this, there are a few questions that came up from reading the wiki page on EA.

The article states that the equation provided for curvature only works when y (vertical distance of Ray's path) is much greater than x ( horizontal distance of Ray's path). If the sun is 3000 km up, how is this equation valid at sunset/sunrise, when the sun is at a horizontal distance of >6,000 km based on the models of night and day depicted on FE maps?

The other question relates to the inclusion of the Bishop constant, which relates to the magnitude of acceleration of a horizontal light ray induced by dark energy. How exactly does dark energy fit within a flat earth worldview when it was only discovered recently, though astronomical investigations, which are dismissed as pseudoscience in various articles within the wiki, and by the words of numerous FE proponents in various fora on this site.
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Re: Electromagnetic Acceleration
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2020, 05:18:11 PM »
How exactly does dark energy fit within a flat earth worldview when it was only discovered recently, though astronomical investigations
The term "dark energy" as used by FE'ers predates the recent RE appropriation of the term. You'll just have to contend with the fact that the same term can mean multiple things.

If the sun is 3000 km up, how is this equation valid at sunset/sunrise
It isn't. As clearly stated in the Wiki, the formula presented is a limit of another expression as x approaches infinity. At sunrise, x is not infinity, as you seem to agree - thus answering your own question.

We provided the formula because people kept demanding that we do, and because it can be used to produce rough visual aids. If you try using it for applications it wasn't intended for, you're unlikely to be happy with the results.
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Re: Electromagnetic Acceleration
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2020, 06:32:20 PM »
Hi Pete, fair point on the DE response - I'll do some more digging around the wiki (but might also suggest that could be clarified on the EA page for future readers)

I'm still confused as to the statement of limitation of the equation to scenarios when y>>x. I'm asking specifically as EA is argued to provide the answer to why clouds are lit from the underside during sunrise and sunset, but the equation isnt valid for those times, where exactly does that leave things?

I should make it clear that I'm not trying to disprove the equation by any means, just understand how it is used to explain this commonly observed phenomenon.
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Re: Electromagnetic Acceleration
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2020, 12:12:04 AM »
where exactly does that leave things?
It leaves us with a series of observations which have not yet been fully understood, and are thus not completely mathematically quantified. Nonetheless, the presence of the phenomenon is evident, even if further work is necessary.
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