Re: Lunar eclipses...
« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2019, 06:42:39 PM »
Going back to my original point.. the FE statement about the shadow object never being seen 'because it orbits the Sun on the day side of the Earth'..  What does that even mean given? Surely such an object would actually have to be in orbit (and geostationary orbit at that) in around the Earth and not the Sun in order to be constantly on the day side. 

If you discard the conventional and logical stance of the lunar eclipse, life quickly gets very confusing and difficult to account for.  Of course the FE side will disagree with that statement.

Re: Lunar eclipses...
« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2019, 10:26:45 PM »
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No need to wait for a solar eclipse to see Shadow Object / Antimoon / Nibiru / whatever. There is an optical instrument called coronagraph that allow to see objects near the Sun:

I guess this is one of the reasons why flat Earth believers are so discrediting towards modern science and astronomy.

As more and more satellites are launched and are showing us more and more about what is, as well as what isn't actually out there so the stack of evidence against FET is getting greater and greater. Their only defence against it is to dismiss it all as fake or some sort of conspiracy against them.  In the meantime the vast majority of scientists and engineers are looking over their shoulder at them and saying 'whatever...'
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Re: Lunar eclipses...
« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2019, 10:38:08 PM »
What makes you think that the Nibiru community aren't using coronagraphs to try and find Nibiru?

https://youtu.be/Si8dEhjKa2w

https://youtu.be/vgg-EYhJQ00

https://youtu.be/llU2UJJqZy4

Many more on YouTube
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Re: Lunar eclipses...
« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2019, 09:09:14 AM »
What makes you think that the Nibiru community aren't using coronagraphs to try and find Nibiru?

So you agree that they have not actually found it, then?
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Re: Lunar eclipses...
« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2019, 09:33:00 AM »
What makes you think that the Nibiru community aren't using coronagraphs to try and find Nibiru?

https://youtu.be/Si8dEhjKa2w

https://youtu.be/vgg-EYhJQ00

https://youtu.be/llU2UJJqZy4

Many more on YouTube

Ok, I admit they use coronagraph and found what should be found: nothing remarkable.
In the first video I see a coronal mass ejection, in the second I see a still image with a red ball, why didn't they show the whole film? Perhaps because that ball is an artifact of the instrument?
The third is a case of pareidolia (nothing real is visible).
Come on man, if there was a big planet near the sun the images would be much clearer and more obvious.

Re: Lunar eclipses...
« Reply #25 on: July 04, 2019, 02:16:06 PM »
It feels like this conversation got onto a tangent, because I'm not sure what Nibiru has to do with FE at all.
There is a claim that there is an object circling the sun in some version of the FE model that is causing lunar eclipses. What evidence, not including the claim itself, is there to support the existence of this object?

Re: Lunar eclipses...
« Reply #26 on: July 04, 2019, 08:55:13 PM »
It seems to me to be a pretty straightforward case this. Lunar eclipses can only occur and do only occur when there is a full Moon. A full Moon occurs when the Earth lies directly between the Sun and the Moon. A shadow always points in the opposite direction to where the source of light is.

So IF the Earth is in orbit around the Sun AND the Moon is in orbit around the Earth at a slightly different inclination to the Earths orbital inclination around the Sun then you would only get lunar eclipses during some months and not others. Also the Earths shadow would always lie opposite the Sun in the sky (the anti-solar point). Hence every day at Sun set the Earths shadow rises. When the Sun rises the Earths shadow sets. This is an exact description of what we see in the sky. Any FE people please say if I'm wrong there.

It is common sense then to suggest that a lunar eclipse is caused when the Moon moves across the Earths (otherwise invisible) shadow.  No need whatsoever for any shadow object as you call it.
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Re: Lunar eclipses...
« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2019, 12:41:22 AM »
It seems to me to be a pretty straightforward case this. Lunar eclipses can only occur and do only occur when there is a full Moon. A full Moon occurs when the Earth lies directly between the Sun and the Moon. A shadow always points in the opposite direction to where the source of light is.

So IF the Earth is in orbit around the Sun AND the Moon is in orbit around the Earth at a slightly different inclination to the Earths orbital inclination around the Sun then you would only get lunar eclipses during some months and not others. Also the Earths shadow would always lie opposite the Sun in the sky (the anti-solar point). Hence every day at Sun set the Earths shadow rises. When the Sun rises the Earths shadow sets. This is an exact description of what we see in the sky. Any FE people please say if I'm wrong there.

It is common sense then to suggest that a lunar eclipse is caused when the Moon moves across the Earths (otherwise invisible) shadow.  No need whatsoever for any shadow object as you call it.

To expand on this, everyone who can see the moon during a lunar eclipse - regardless of their location on Earth (excluding any parts where the moon is not visible) - will see the exact same shadow on the moon.  That would not be possible with a shadow object between the earth and moon.
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Re: Lunar eclipses...
« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2019, 07:46:16 AM »
What makes you think that the Nibiru community aren't using coronagraphs to try and find Nibiru?

https://youtu.be/Si8dEhjKa2w

https://youtu.be/vgg-EYhJQ00

https://youtu.be/llU2UJJqZy4

Many more on YouTube


Tom,

Please be sure to go back and refresh yourself with Pete's article on the Home Page entitled: "It's true, I saw it on the Internet".

Posting videos from YouTube tend to fall in this category and are unbecomming of the Zetetic method of learning and deducing. 

Thanks.

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Re: Lunar eclipses...
« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2019, 07:51:59 AM »
What makes you think that the Nibiru community aren't using coronagraphs to try and find Nibiru?

https://youtu.be/Si8dEhjKa2w

https://youtu.be/vgg-EYhJQ00

https://youtu.be/llU2UJJqZy4

Many more on YouTube


Tom,

Please be sure to go back and refresh yourself with Pete's article on the Home Page entitled: "It's true, I saw it on the Internet".

Posting videos from YouTube tend to fall in this category.

Thanks.

Tom you have an incredible capability for understanding how the Moon rotates in the RE model and, at the same time, to propose youtube videos where some smoke making shapes is a hint of existence of something.
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Re: Lunar eclipses...
« Reply #30 on: July 05, 2019, 06:00:03 PM »
On the subject of YouTube videos there is an uncanny trend among some to give credit to videos that are in support of FET or discredit those which do not.

However we still haven't established how there can be something which orbits the Sun but apparently also always remains on the day side of the Earth.  How can that be possible?