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Another futile attempt at satisfying moon hoaxers
« on: June 24, 2019, 06:52:44 PM »
In an attempt to debunk the moon hoax conspiracy theorists on the eve of the 50th anniversary of Apollo 11, the Science Channel is airing a new investigative series that features a retired astronaut and a former FBI agent are working with an Apollo 11 conspiracy theorist to test various conspiracy claims.  So far they've looked at things like the radiation of the Van Allen belts, the controlability of the lunar module training vehicle, ability to see the lunar landing sites and more.  As each claim is tested and debunked, the resident conspiracy theorist reluctantly concedes that the "official" explanation might be plausible, but doggedly refuses admit that the lunar landings actually happened saying that there are still plenty of claims in need of testing.

Some of the confession cam monologues sound a bit hokey, but there's lots of good investigation going on I wonder if any of the true die hard moon hoaxers will be convinced or if they'll just claim that the show is itself a hoax and their resident conspiracy theorists is just a shill.

Full episodes are available here: https://www.sciencechannel.com/tv-shows/truth-behind-the-moon-landing/
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Re: Another futile attempt at satisfying moon hoaxers
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2019, 07:43:02 PM »
How would disproving some, likely selected, claims that someone found on the internet, or coming up with a "plausable" explanation  for something, do anything to prove that NASA went to the moon? A show about coming up with some explanations for a few internet claims?

If I can explain something, it's proven? Is that how things work?
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Re: Another futile attempt at satisfying moon hoaxers
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2019, 08:41:42 PM »
You can not change a mind who has created its own fact.

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Re: Another futile attempt at satisfying moon hoaxers
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2019, 10:36:07 PM »
How would disproving some, likely selected, claims that someone found on the internet, or coming up with a "plausable" explanation  for something, do anything to prove that NASA went to the moon? A show about coming up with some explanations for a few internet claims?
How about watching some of the episodes first to see which claims are being researched and then deciding if any of the explanations satisfy your doubts?

If I can explain something, it's proven? Is that how things work?
If I can question something, it's disproven?  Is that how things work?
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Re: Another futile attempt at satisfying moon hoaxers
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2019, 12:53:17 PM »
If I can question something, it's disproven?  Is that how things work?
If your questioning brings a contradiction to light, yes. But you knew that already :)
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Re: Another futile attempt at satisfying moon hoaxers
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2019, 01:02:29 PM »
If I can question something, it's disproven?  Is that how things work?
If your questioning brings a contradiction to light, yes. But you knew that already :)

I like this, now can you please the same line of reasoning to Tom's shitty post too?
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Re: Another futile attempt at satisfying moon hoaxers
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2019, 01:23:10 PM »
If I can question something, it's disproven?  Is that how things work?
If your questioning brings a contradiction to light, yes. But you knew that already :)
That is unless the apparent contradiction can be resolved.  But you knew that already ;)
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Re: Another futile attempt at satisfying moon hoaxers
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2019, 01:42:45 PM »
I like this, now can you please the same line of reasoning to Tom's shitty post too?
Of course - go right ahead.

That is unless the apparent contradiction can be resolved.  But you knew that already ;)
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Re: Another futile attempt at satisfying moon hoaxers
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2019, 01:53:28 PM »
How would disproving some, likely selected, claims that someone found on the internet, or coming up with a "plausable" explanation  for something, do anything to prove that NASA went to the moon? A show about coming up with some explanations for a few internet claims?

If I can explain something, it's proven? Is that how things work?
Let's start with the admission that no-one can prove we went to the moon in the same sense that no-one can prove the earth is round.
While we're here, you can't really prove anything outside of maths theorems. Any evidence presented for anything else can be dismissed as fake or lies or whatever.
So we have to assess the reliability of evidence and use balance of probabilities to decide what to believe about everything else.

But a lot of the moon hoax "evidence" presented online is of the form "we never went to the moon, you can tell it's fake because ..."
If you can show that the "..." is wrong then no, it doesn't prove we went to the moan but it does show that particular objection is spurious. It maybe helps make an informed decision about what to believe as it changes the perceived quality of evidence and the balance of probabilities.
If you are making your claim without evidence then we can discard it without evidence.