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Theory/Model Request
« on: May 05, 2019, 04:21:07 AM »
It is in my opinion of paramount importance that FEers unify together to answer a basic question:

How do you get day and night patterns on a flat earth.

Let me be clear. No FE model exists which can describe day and night on a flat earth. Not even for a single day.

Why am I making this request? Well, Tom demanded equations for orbital trajectories and then pictures that describe in exact detail these orbits.

That is a double standard.

Tom believes in FET, claims FE, yet has no equations and has no picture that works.

This is a huge problem for your movement. You have no model that describes a 24 hour day!

I am not trying to rant here, I am trying to pull you together. I want you to see the imminence of this issue. Please, unify and build this model. It is beyond an embarrassment that this does not exist among those who claim the earth is flat.

I will help you, but you must do it!
The fact.that it's an old equation without good.demonstration of the underlying mechamism behind it makes.it more invalid, not more valid!

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Re: Theory/Model Request
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2019, 01:29:33 PM »
I know it’s bad form to bump myself. My apologies.

Please provide input for solving the terminus issue. Brainstorming is welcome.

RE has a viable mechanism for explaining day and night on Earth. FE has no model for this.

Until this basic problem is addressed, no amount of RE disproof efforts matter.

I invite all FE thinkers and leaders to build a quorum and summit this issue to a resolution.
The fact.that it's an old equation without good.demonstration of the underlying mechamism behind it makes.it more invalid, not more valid!

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Re: Theory/Model Request
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2019, 04:11:39 PM »
Brain Storming is good, it allows both FEs and REs to participate and try to help each other in the issue.

I would go for the idea of the Sun projecting "Repulsive Radiance" (RR™) towards Earth down below.

You can think of "Repulsive Radiance" (RR™) as the same of atomic nuclear force, it attracts electrons that has opposite polarity, but does not expunge the protons tied together, even having the same polarity.  The repulsion itself is proved by the fact that no electron plunges and it is consumed by the nucleus - even being strongly attracted, it is also strongly repulsed.  The scientists also have plenty of calculations and formulas to explain the Sun's flares and winds that can blow matter far away, the case of particles and gases from comets, forming the long trails.

So, "Repulsive Radiance" (RR™) is caused by the extreme energy from the Sun projected towards Earth, it repulses Earth and everything on it downwards, while the Sun itself becomes repealed by the masses below, so it stays up at a distance, like floating.

I could, in time, come up with a physics formula, trying to show Repulsive Radiance (RR™), may be something like that:

RrV = (Rra x m ÷ Ea) x eV x sin(a) ÷

RrV = Radiance Repulsion Vector
Rra = Radiated Radial Area in km²
m = sum of all masses
Ea = Earth Area in km²
eV = electron-volts, energy generated by the Sun
a = angle of radiation vs angle of Earth
d = distance between the Sun and the Earth

Note that I did not include "steradians" in the calculation, due considerations of a non spherical Sun or Earth in this case study.
This (initial) formula could explain why the Sun stay afloat above Flat Earth, as well, why everything is pushed down against the solid solid Earth underneath, considering not only the edge is solid ice, but the bottom of the flat earth is also a very tick ice base.

Of course I don't believe in a single word I post above, but a brain-storm process relies exactly on that, go out of your mind and find possible alternative explanations.  If Einstein was under effect of some acid when he came up with the idea of space and time could deform, become plastic, elastic and dilute itself under presence of mass, I don't know, but there is a chance. If this was the case, hours later Einstein probably thought "wow buddy, that is a great possibility". Most musicians and artists sometimes need a "stimulae" in order to reach nirvana and get out of the box.  For decades, "brain-storm" means exactly that, you need to turn off all your locks and even the logical, psychological and cultural bias and let the brain to process junk, like a dream.  It may looks strange, but I already found path for a complicated Sin(x) calculation 24 bits routine I was doing in assembly language, while dreaming, woke up in a jump, rush to the computer.   It is not rare for me to find answers while showering, try to explain that.

So, may be the above formula could be part of a larger explanation about day & night on FE.  At least now we could explain the "push" of gravity from above and how the Sun floats.  Oh, I forgot.  The Repulsive Radiance is also reflected by the Earth's surface back towards the Sun, and that is what makes it move forward in a circular motion towards the West at angular speed of 15° per hour.  So that also explains the Sun's movement above.  That also, could be the basis for ocean tides.

Now no one could say I am a polarized insensitive RE, not at all, see, no FE even thought about RR™ up to now, and here I am, giving it for free.

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Re: Theory/Model Request
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2019, 04:52:47 PM »
Brain Storming is good, it allows both FEs and REs to participate and try to help each other in the issue.

I would go for the idea of the Sun projecting "Repulsive Radiance" (RR™) towards Earth down below.

You mean the momentum of light. We already know how that works.

The dispersion-relation for photons is
energy = momentum * lightspeed

If the photon is absorbed, that's the momentum we get. If the photon is reflected back, we get twice that momentum.
You just need to know how much energy we are getting from sunlight and we can calculate the momentum.

The Earth receives 174 petawatts (PW) of incoming solar radiation (insolation) at the upper atmosphere.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_energy

174*10^15 watt / 3*10^8 m/s = 58 * 10^7 N spread out over the entire surface of Earth.

Let's assume that the sunlight hits an area of pi*6000*6000 km² = 113,000,000 km²

That means, sunlight is pushing us down with roughly 58*10^7 / 113*10^6 = 5.1 N/km²




Your theory has been disproven.

Re: Theory/Model Request
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2019, 05:08:07 PM »
You can think of "Repulsive Radiance" (RR™) as the same of atomic nuclear force, it attracts electrons that has opposite polarity, but does not expunge the protons tied together, even having the same polarity.
Electrons are held around the nucleus by electromagnetism. Nucleons are held against electromagnetism in the nucleus by a completely different force, the strong nuclear force.

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The repulsion itself is proved by the fact that no electron plunges and it is consumed by the nucleus - even being strongly attracted, it is also strongly repulsed.  The scientists also have plenty of calculations and formulas to explain the Sun's flares and winds that can blow matter far away, the case of particles and gases from comets, forming the long trails.
Electrons can be captured by the nucleus. They usually don't because of centrifugal force.
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Re: Theory/Model Request
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2019, 07:59:30 PM »
174*10^15 watt / 3*10^8 m/s = 58 * 10^7 N spread out over the entire surface of Earth.
Let's assume that the sunlight hits an area of pi*6000*6000 km² = 113,000,000 km²
That means, sunlight is pushing us down with roughly 58*10^7 / 113*10^6 = 5.1 N/km²
Your theory has been disproven.

Oh darn!  I thought I would be famous.  But even with the Sun much closer and focusing all its energy upon a spot area?  May be you can recalculate for millions more Newtons/km² ?

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Re: Theory/Model Request
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2019, 03:26:32 PM »
174*10^15 watt / 3*10^8 m/s = 58 * 10^7 N spread out over the entire surface of Earth.
Let's assume that the sunlight hits an area of pi*6000*6000 km² = 113,000,000 km²
That means, sunlight is pushing us down with roughly 58*10^7 / 113*10^6 = 5.1 N/km²
Your theory has been disproven.

Oh darn!  I thought I would be famous.  But even with the Sun much closer and focusing all its energy upon a spot area?  May be you can recalculate for millions more Newtons/km² ?

Only if we assume that the Sun shines a million times more energy to Earth.

Re: Theory/Model Request
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2019, 08:11:58 AM »
174*10^15 watt / 3*10^8 m/s = 58 * 10^7 N spread out over the entire surface of Earth.
Let's assume that the sunlight hits an area of pi*6000*6000 km² = 113,000,000 km²
That means, sunlight is pushing us down with roughly 58*10^7 / 113*10^6 = 5.1 N/km²
Your theory has been disproven.

Oh darn!  I thought I would be famous.  But even with the Sun much closer and focusing all its energy upon a spot area?  May be you can recalculate for millions more Newtons/km² ?

Only if we assume that the Sun shines a million times more energy to Earth.

Oh so are you assuming that the sun is just a big lamp or what?

Re: Theory/Model Request
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2019, 04:00:25 PM »
Oh so are you assuming that the sun is just a big lamp or what?

Hmmm, I guess it is not a natural fusion floating device generating so much energy in a flimsy 30km diameter thing.  Even Saturn is not big and dense enough to ignite fusion.  If yes, we need to find out how it works so we could create few more on the earth's surface... can you imagine the free energy?   30km is my daily comute distance, pretty small.  It is not fission device, at such distance we would be all cooked by radiation.   

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Re: Theory/Model Request
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2019, 06:56:20 PM »
174*10^15 watt / 3*10^8 m/s = 58 * 10^7 N spread out over the entire surface of Earth.
Let's assume that the sunlight hits an area of pi*6000*6000 km² = 113,000,000 km²
That means, sunlight is pushing us down with roughly 58*10^7 / 113*10^6 = 5.1 N/km²
Your theory has been disproven.

Oh darn!  I thought I would be famous.  But even with the Sun much closer and focusing all its energy upon a spot area?  May be you can recalculate for millions more Newtons/km² ?

I created a thread about solar radiation received by Earth a few years ago.
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