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How Einstein Made the Earth Move
« on: March 24, 2019, 02:02:38 AM »
A good video by Jeran and Robert Sungenis. Not many people know that Einstein developed relativity as a way to explain evidence that the earth was not in motion around the sun.



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Re: How Einstein Made the Earth Move
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2019, 05:16:20 PM »
Well that is fascinating stuff Tom but Einstein was not always right with everything he did or predicted and there is plenty of observational evidence available that the Earth orbits the Sun along with the other eight major planets.

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Re: How Einstein Made the Earth Move
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2019, 05:41:38 PM »
Well that is fascinating stuff Tom but Einstein was not always right with everything he did or predicted

I agree with you.

Re: How Einstein Made the Earth Move
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2019, 05:50:29 PM »
Sungenis and Bennett published a classic work, Galileo Was Wrong, a 1000+ page book. In that book, and also in the video, mention is made of the Michelson-Gale experiment (1925).

All of the geocentrists do not understand or fail to acknowledge that they have no argument whatsoever against either MGX or the ring laser gyroscopes experiments, since the RE will claim that the formula used in these experiments is the SAGNAC EFFECT phase difference (exactly as Michelson and Gale did back in 1925). Once this claim is made, there is nothing else the geocentrists (or the FE) can do but accept defeat. Unless the geocentrists (including Sungenis and Bennett) and all of the FE make use of my global/generalized SAGNAC EFFECT formula, the RE will always have the upper hand: no seismic waves or Earth-line arguments is going to help them argue the very clear results measured/registered with the ring laser gyroscopes. The RE claim that these RLGs are measuring the SAGNAC EFFECT, thus they are measuring ROTATION.

Here is the correct global SAGNAC EFFECT formula:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2117351#msg2117351

What Michelson did is to SUBSTITUTE the CORIOLIS EFFECT formula for the SAGNAC EFFECT formula: a light interferometer can register/record BOTH these effects.


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Re: How Einstein Made the Earth Move
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2019, 09:47:36 PM »
For example Tom, Einstein was originally very much against the idea that the Universe is expanding even though his equation predicted it.  He inserted the famous extra term to make his expanding model stand still.  Then Hubble observed through redshift of galaxies that the Universe was indeed expanding and invited Einstein over to the Mt Wilson Obsy to see the evidence for himself.  Einstein called his mistake 'the worst blunder of my career' Thus modern cosmology was born.

Sometimes observation confirms theory to be correct. Other times it confirms theory to be wrong.  To give Einstein credit, at least he quite willing to accept his original belief was wrong.

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Re: How Einstein Made the Earth Move
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2019, 02:06:58 AM »
Sungenis and Bennett published a classic work, Galileo Was Wrong, a 1000+ page book. In that book, and also in the video, mention is made of the Michelson-Gale experiment (1925).

All of the geocentrists do not understand or fail to acknowledge that they have no argument whatsoever against either MGX or the ring laser gyroscopes experiments, since the RE will claim that the formula used in these experiments is the SAGNAC EFFECT phase difference (exactly as Michelson and Gale did back in 1925). Once this claim is made, there is nothing else the geocentrists (or the FE) can do but accept defeat. Unless the geocentrists (including Sungenis and Bennett) and all of the FE make use of my global/generalized SAGNAC EFFECT formula, the RE will always have the upper hand: no seismic waves or Earth-line arguments is going to help them argue the very clear results measured/registered with the ring laser gyroscopes. The RE claim that these RLGs are measuring the SAGNAC EFFECT, thus they are measuring ROTATION.

Here is the correct global SAGNAC EFFECT formula:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2117351#msg2117351

What Michelson did is to SUBSTITUTE the CORIOLIS EFFECT formula for the SAGNAC EFFECT formula: a light interferometer can register/record BOTH these effects.

I applaud your effort in attempting a generalised sagnac formula, but noticed that you are treating it classically. It really requires a relativistic treatment, and then you might be on to something!
The fact.that it's an old equation without good.demonstration of the underlying mechamism behind it makes.it more invalid, not more valid!

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Re: How Einstein Made the Earth Move
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2019, 04:53:50 AM »
There is no such thing as a "relativistic treatment":

https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=13863.msg185999#msg185999 (comparison of the Sagnac effect with the relativistic approach)

In their formidable treatise, Sungenis and Bennett never address the fact that the formula put forth by Michelson was claimed to be the SAGNAC EFFECT phase difference, which immediately ends any debate on geocentrism vs. heliocentrism. If the RE bring forth the HAMMAR experiment as well, they can defy any arguments forwarded by the FE regarding the ether drift.

That is why my formula becomes crucial in these kinds of debates, as the youtube flat earthers found out very fast once they started performing the RLG experiments.

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Re: How Einstein Made the Earth Move
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2019, 01:07:44 AM »
There is no such thing as a "relativistic treatment":

https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=13863.msg185999#msg185999 (comparison of the Sagnac effect with the relativistic approach)

In their formidable treatise, Sungenis and Bennett never address the fact that the formula put forth by Michelson was claimed to be the SAGNAC EFFECT phase difference, which immediately ends any debate on geocentrism vs. heliocentrism. If the RE bring forth the HAMMAR experiment as well, they can defy any arguments forwarded by the FE regarding the ether drift.

That is why my formula becomes crucial in these kinds of debates, as the youtube flat earthers found out very fast once they started performing the RLG experiments.

Well sure there is. The sagnac effect is, by definition, relativistic, and all modern derivations of it use special relativity. Just look it up.
The fact.that it's an old equation without good.demonstration of the underlying mechamism behind it makes.it more invalid, not more valid!

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Re: How Einstein Made the Earth Move
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2019, 01:49:30 AM »
Here is the correct global SAGNAC EFFECT formula:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2117351#msg2117351

What Michelson did is to SUBSTITUTE the CORIOLIS EFFECT formula for the SAGNAC EFFECT formula: a light interferometer can register/record BOTH these effects.
You can't just declare something correct and reference your own work.
Try publishing a paper and getting it peer reviewed, then we can talk.
If you are making your claim without evidence then we can discard it without evidence.