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Unipolar, bipolar, disc, square, infinite plane?
« on: February 03, 2014, 04:08:31 AM »
Ok. Here's where I get lost. FEer's can't seem to unify on WHAT the Earth is. Is it unipolar or bipolar? Is it a disc or square? Is it an infinite plane? What is Antarctica? What is (& is there) the ice wall? What happens to ships @ the edge? Is their a firmament? Can an experienced FE theorist take on these questions & present a unified, coherant worldview? I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm genuinely curious.
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Re: Unipolar, bipolar, disc, square, infinite plane?
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2014, 04:32:40 AM »
Ok. Here's where I get lost. FEer's can't seem to unify on WHAT the Earth is. Is it unipolar or bipolar? Is it a disc or square? Is it an infinite plane? What is Antarctica? What is (& is there) the ice wall? What happens to ships @ the edge? Is their a firmament? Can an experienced FE theorist take on these questions & present a unified, coherant worldview? I'm not trying to ae a dick. I'm genuinely curious.

I'll go first.
  • Unipolar, meaning that the south pole surrounds us.  Magnetic substances align with our north pole, and those magnetic field lines extend out beyond the known earth.  On the bipolar map, compasses and navigation don't make sense, to me.
  • A disc.  Everything in the cosmos moves in circles, navigation on the earth (round or flat) happens in circles.  The earth is a disc, this is certain.
  • It is generally accepted that Antarctica exists.  The disc extends past Antarctica for an unknown expanse.  This territory is dark, cold, inhospitable, may not even support life, and remains unexplored.  It may be infinite.  No edge has ever been seen.
  • Antarctica is the mass of land that has been theorized to be a continent covering the southern polar region on a globe.  On the monopole earth it the mass of land that surrounds the inhabited continents we call the earth.  Its total area is unknown and it remains unexplored.  Necessarily, it holds the oceans in.
  • The Ice Wall is just a fancy name for Antarctica.  Some claim there is a literal wall of ice that sits on the antarctic land mass - I wouldn't be surprised if there are several, in fact.  It's cold. Be that as it may, the Ice Wall as a whole is essentially just Antarctica.
  • As the edge (if it exists) is out of reach of the sun, it is unlikely that a ship would ever sail there, as the oceans would be frozen.
  • There is no evidence for a physical firmament.  Some (like Thork) do like the idea of a firmament but I've never seen anything that would indicate its existence.

There are a lot of unknowns.  Zetetic Astronomy is a science of observation.  Unless I've observed / experienced a phenomenon for myself, I cannot say unequivocally that the phenomenon exists.  This is why our ideas about the expanse of the earth beyond the Antarctic get a little murky. 
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Re: Unipolar, bipolar, disc, square, infinite plane?
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2014, 04:43:26 AM »
Ok. Tintagel, that is interesting. @ least that is a start. Anyone else?

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Re: Unipolar, bipolar, disc, square, infinite plane?
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2014, 09:46:29 AM »
I think the problem is you think of it as a single theory.
It's more like flat earth theories.

They don't all agree.

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Re: Unipolar, bipolar, disc, square, infinite plane?
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2014, 05:21:17 PM »
Ok. Here's where I get lost. FEer's can't seem to unify on WHAT the Earth is. Is it unipolar or bipolar? Is it a disc or square? Is it an infinite plane? What is Antarctica? What is (& is there) the ice wall? What happens to ships @ the edge? Is their a firmament? Can an experienced FE theorist take on these questions & present a unified, coherant worldview? I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm genuinely curious.
Well this is actueley one of the (suprising) strongist wekneses of our societey. There is a generel thoery as stated in the FAQs that the earth is monopole circuler finite and that antartica is an ice wall of wich I disagre with all four. I think FES may have been ment to just showcase one thoery but as it grew many difrient thoerys have arisin do the fact that the FAQs has a handful of pathetic faliceys. I myself beleive that the earth is bipoler, a disc within a sqware, infinite, and that the antartica is a continint. Most of my thoery is based of scientific evidance some of it is based of religous beleifs. We all have our own thoerys basicley mine causing controversey sometimes! If you have any other questions wether it be about the OP or my thoery plese do ask!!
Ok. Here's where I get lost. FEer's can't seem to unify on WHAT the Earth is. Is it unipolar or bipolar? Is it a disc or square? Is it an infinite plane? What is Antarctica? What is (& is there) the ice wall? What happens to ships @ the edge? Is their a firmament? Can an experienced FE theorist take on these questions & present a unified, coherant worldview? I'm not trying to ae a dick. I'm genuinely curious.

I'll go first.
  • Unipolar, meaning that the south pole surrounds us.  Magnetic substances align with our north pole, and those magnetic field lines extend out beyond the known earth.  On the bipolar map, compasses and navigation don't make sense, to me.
  • A disc.  Everything in the cosmos moves in circles, navigation on the earth (round or flat) happens in circles.  The earth is a disc, this is certain.
  • It is generally accepted that Antarctica exists.  The disc extends past Antarctica for an unknown expanse.  This territory is dark, cold, inhospitable, may not even support life, and remains unexplored.  It may be infinite.  No edge has ever been seen.
  • Antarctica is the mass of land that has been theorized to be a continent covering the southern polar region on a globe.  On the monopole earth it the mass of land that surrounds the inhabited continents we call the earth.  Its total area is unknown and it remains unexplored.  Necessarily, it holds the oceans in.
  • The Ice Wall is just a fancy name for Antarctica.  Some claim there is a literal wall of ice that sits on the antarctic land mass - I wouldn't be surprised if there are several, in fact.  It's cold. Be that as it may, the Ice Wall as a whole is essentially just Antarctica.
  • As the edge (if it exists) is out of reach of the sun, it is unlikely that a ship would ever sail there, as the oceans would be frozen.
  • There is no evidence for a physical firmament.  Some (like Thork) do like the idea of a firmament but I've never seen anything that would indicate its existence.

There are a lot of unknowns.  Zetetic Astronomy is a science of observation.  Unless I've observed / experienced a phenomenon for myself, I cannot say unequivocally that the phenomenon exists.  This is why our ideas about the expanse of the earth beyond the Antarctic get a little murky. 
Wow! Couldent have explaned it beter myself Tintagel! Beutiful! :D
Ok. Tintagel, that is interesting. @ least that is a start. Anyone else?
You should definateley listen to what tintagel just posted. Tis a vary thorough and detaled explanation!!!!!!
I think the problem is you think of it as a single theory.
It's more like flat earth theories.

They don't all agree.
Exacley. Evereyones thoerys seem to be difrint one way or another
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Re: Unipolar, bipolar, disc, square, infinite plane?
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2014, 05:50:42 PM »
Ok, EJ. Your idea sounds rather interesting. Now, I have a map of a Bipolar Earth on my computer. & the one weakness I see with it is that you can't circumnavigate the world @ the Equator. But in real life, a plane can. How does your theory account for this? & on another note, what goes on down in AR stays in AR, ok? Up here, lets just talk about FET. Fair enough?

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Re: Unipolar, bipolar, disc, square, infinite plane?
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2014, 07:28:19 PM »
Ok, EJ. Your idea sounds rather interesting. Now, I have a map of a Bipolar Earth on my computer. & the one weakness I see with it is that you can't circumnavigate the world @ the Equator. But in real life, a plane can. How does your theory account for this?
The map isent totaley corec and needs some workin out. But ether way gravitey keeps you in the circuler direction that fools people into thinking the earth is round. But again the map stil needs some workin out and I wish to do so on my own time :) its kinda like how mercater maps are technicley wrong
& on another note, what goes on down in AR stays in AR, ok? Up here, lets just talk about FET. Fair enough?
Agred. Thats exacley what I had in mind and we should stay fathful to it :)
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Re: Unipolar, bipolar, disc, square, infinite plane?
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2014, 07:45:18 PM »
Well, if you can come up w/ a map that solves the problem, I'd love to see it, seriously. Incidentally, what is your theory about how planes circle the Earth @ the equator?

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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2014, 11:01:50 PM »
Well, if you can come up w/ a map that solves the problem, I'd love to see it, seriously. Incidentally, what is your theory about how planes circle the Earth @ the equator?
Again gravitey at the poles cause the planes to travel in a circuler direction and give the ilusion that the earth is round by causing them to travel circuleraley round the equater. Think about how (in my neo tichonien model at lest) the sun and moon orbit above the earth VARY VARY SLITLEY elipticley thus: we travel in a circuler "orbit" when walking on the earth
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Re: Unipolar, bipolar, disc, square, infinite plane?
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2014, 04:09:53 AM »
Ok. Let me ask another question. How do FEers explain the movement of stars? For example, Columbus could tell approximate clock time from the Guards of the North Star. The Little Bear or Little Dipper swings around Polaris once every 24 hours sidereal time. Star movement w/ a round, moving Earth I get, but w/ a flat, stationary one?

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Re: Unipolar, bipolar, disc, square, infinite plane?
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2014, 05:50:12 AM »
If the earth isn't moving, then obviously the stars are.
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« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2014, 07:30:51 PM »
Sorey I took so long I was grounded

Ok. Let me ask another question. How do FEers explain the movement of stars? For example, Columbus could tell approximate clock time from the Guards of the North Star. The Little Bear or Little Dipper swings around Polaris once every 24 hours sidereal time. Star movement w/ a round, moving Earth I get, but w/ a flat, stationary one?
Well round earthism teches that the galaxey has a galatic center wich me agres with. However I do not beleive that some mithicel black hole is in the center I beleive the earth is. Thus all the soler sistims of the galaxey revolve above the earth
If the earth isn't moving, then obviously the stars are.
Yep. Yeah pretey much!!!
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Re: Unipolar, bipolar, disc, square, infinite plane?
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2014, 01:55:19 PM »
How do you explain the measured distances between places fitting in with a flat earth?  eg. Falklands to Australia.

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Re: Unipolar, bipolar, disc, square, infinite plane?
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2014, 03:29:56 PM »
How do you explain the measured distances between places fitting in with a flat earth?  eg. Falklands to Australia.

Measurements could either be accurate or inaccurate.  Do you have any actual numbers to use?  I haven't measured the distance from the Falklands to Australia and I doubt you have.

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« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2014, 08:38:24 PM »
How do you explain the measured distances between places fitting in with a flat earth?  eg. Falklands to Australia.

Measurements could either be accurate or inaccurate.  Do you have any actual numbers to use?  I haven't measured the distance from the Falklands to Australia and I doubt you have.
Distances are available from places such as Google Earth which are accepted as correct as they match reality.  It is possible to travel between those two places without going into the northern hemisphere.

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« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2014, 09:52:02 PM »
You say that the distances are indisputable proof, yet you have never gone there, nor have you measured them.  You have been taught that the distances are facts, and so your closed mind doesn't question that. 

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Re: Unipolar, bipolar, disc, square, infinite plane?
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2014, 09:54:18 PM »
How do you explain the measured distances between places fitting in with a flat earth?  eg. Falklands to Australia.

Measurements could either be accurate or inaccurate.  Do you have any actual numbers to use?  I haven't measured the distance from the Falklands to Australia and I doubt you have.
Distances are available from places such as Google Earth which are accepted as correct as they match reality.  It is possible to travel between those two places without going into the northern hemisphere.

I still don't see any numbers, and before you blindly copy and paste from Google earth or elsewhere on the internet, consider the fallibility of the medium in which you are placing such trust.  Once again, you have no real evidence.

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« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2014, 12:02:32 AM »
You say that the distances are indisputable proof, yet you have never gone there, nor have you measured them.  You have been taught that the distances are facts, and so your closed mind doesn't question that.
A metre has been defined, i have a 1m rule.  I am told it is 1km to the supermarket.  I could measure it with my rule if I wanted to.  My car measures 1k.

Google Earth has a distance tool, has any evidence been produced that it is wrong?

Why this obsession of having to do something to prove it, does Peru exist, have you been there?

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Re: Unipolar, bipolar, disc, square, infinite plane?
« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2014, 02:28:42 AM »
A metre has been defined, i have a 1m rule.  I am told it is 1km to the supermarket.  I could measure it with my rule if I wanted to.
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Re: Unipolar, bipolar, disc, square, infinite plane?
« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2014, 04:23:18 AM »
You say that the distances are indisputable proof, yet you have never gone there, nor have you measured them.  You have been taught that the distances are facts, and so your closed mind doesn't question that.
The distances are facts because the cartographers told me so.  Who are you to tell the cartographer that he's wrong?
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