Where is eye level in this photo?
« on: December 26, 2018, 12:24:37 PM »
Here's a picture of some mountains in Washington and Oregon taken from the summit of South Sister at ~10,360 feet:


Source: https://www.flickr.com/photos/rhane/372202821/in/photostream/

Forgetting about the complete and total incompatibility of the apparent heights of the mountains with the flat earth model for a moment, please answer this simple question:

If the earth is flat, where is eye level?
If you've proven yourself immune to logic and incapable of reasonable debate, please understand that I won't be paying you much heed (this means you, Baby Thork, Sandokhan, Tom Bishop, and Totallackey).

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Re: Where is eye level in this photo?
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2018, 02:06:16 PM »
Here's a picture of some mountains in Washington and Oregon taken from the summit of South Sister at ~10,360 feet:


Source: https://www.flickr.com/photos/rhane/372202821/in/photostream/

Forgetting about the complete and total incompatibility of the apparent heights of the mountains with the flat earth model for a moment, please answer this simple question:

If the earth is flat, where is eye level?
Eye level must be close to the summit of Mt Jefferson (10,497) given that the photo was taken at a similar height. All distant points of that height will also be at eye level, if the earth is flat.

So what's the problem?


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Re: Where is eye level in this photo?
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2018, 05:01:07 PM »
If the earth is flat, where is eye level?
I thought I could do it using Mt Jefferson and the Middle Sister as a gauge, but produces a conflict with the more distant peaks of Mts Adam, Hood and Ranier.

But if I use one of those distant peaks, eye level is too low for the nearer peaks. 

 ???

Re: Where is eye level in this photo?
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2018, 05:25:15 PM »
All I know is, if the earth is flat, eye level is quite a ways below Mount Rainier, and quite a bit higher than Olallie Butte.
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Re: Where is eye level in this photo?
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2019, 11:12:39 PM »
Here's a picture of some mountains in Washington and Oregon taken from the summit of South Sister at ~10,360 feet:


Source: https://www.flickr.com/photos/rhane/372202821/in/photostream/

Forgetting about the complete and total incompatibility of the apparent heights of the mountains with the flat earth model for a moment, please answer this simple question:

If the earth is flat, where is eye level?

This is quite the conundrum.

If the shot was really taken around 10,360 feet, then (if flat) the level line would have to be somewhere above the North Sister 10,090' summit but below 14,411' Mt Rainier.  Perspective won't allow something at an elevation of 14,411' to fall below eye level or something at 10,090' to go above eye level. They will both converge to eye level, but how could they flip-flop, with the higher, more distant peak going below eye level and the lower, near peak going above eye level?

Can't.
« Last Edit: January 03, 2019, 08:38:37 AM by Bobby Shafto »

Re: Where is eye level in this photo?
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2019, 05:20:36 AM »
I suppose that explains why no flat earther, either here or on YouTube, has taken on the challenge and engaged with the question.
If you've proven yourself immune to logic and incapable of reasonable debate, please understand that I won't be paying you much heed (this means you, Baby Thork, Sandokhan, Tom Bishop, and Totallackey).

Re: Where is eye level in this photo?
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2019, 10:47:33 AM »
Eye level must be close to the summit of Mt Jefferson (10,497) given that the photo was taken at a similar height. All distant points of that height will also be at eye level, if the earth is flat.

So what's the problem?
The problem is that if something is above your eye height then you look up at it, it remains above "eye level".
And if something is below your eye height then you look down at it, it remains below "eye level".
This is true no matter how far away the objects are, this can be easily confirmed by observations and explained by simple geometry.

So taking a few of the mountains and doing a very, very rough diagram of how they should look on a flat earth:



These 4 peaks should be very roughly in a straight line. Actually you'd be looking slightly up along the line of mountains but given the distances involved the angle would be very shallow.
But that isn't what we observe in that photo.
Adams is clearly lower than Hood and Hood is clearly lower than Jefferson despite Adams being taller than Hood and Hood being taller than Jefferson.
On a flat earth this is not what we should see.

I'm struggling to explain it.
If you are making your claim without evidence then we can discard it without evidence.

Re: Where is eye level in this photo?
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2019, 12:59:23 PM »
Because the Earth is not flat...

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Re: Where is eye level in this photo?
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2019, 02:39:13 PM »



That's aligned but not level.

Never mind. My reading mistake.
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Re: Where is eye level in this photo?
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2019, 02:49:46 PM »




That's aligned but not level.
Not clear what point you're making here? The dotted line - light of sight - isn't level, it's sloping slightly upwards because the mountains get progressively taller so you'd be able to see Adams over Hood and Hood over Jefferson. On a flat earth.
But that isn't what the photo shows.
If you are making your claim without evidence then we can discard it without evidence.

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Re: Where is eye level in this photo?
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2019, 03:33:38 PM »
I misread what you wrote. Sorry. I retract.