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Re: Satellites
« Reply #120 on: March 18, 2014, 01:31:49 AM »
My view is the published design information.  That is clear about how GPS works and not disputed by anyone.

Hardly.

GPS uses a known distance from the satellite, the ionisphere would not allow this as it is a variable height.

This does not conflict with atmolayer location calculation. The more towers you are using concurrently, the more accurate a location prediction will be. If anything, this is a point for a flat Earth. When is the last time a GPS let you calculate position using only one satellite? I'll give you a heads-up... it won't.

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« Reply #121 on: March 18, 2014, 02:44:40 AM »
Which towers?  Where are they?  Who made them?  When were they deployed?  Is there any documentation for them whatsoever?

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Re: Satellites
« Reply #122 on: March 18, 2014, 06:36:18 AM »
Thork needs to explain how it would work via skywaves, in detail.

Thork doesn't need to do anything.  Why do you feel like you are entitled?  You feel like everyone just owes you something. 
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Re: Satellites
« Reply #123 on: March 18, 2014, 06:46:01 AM »
My view is the published design information.  That is clear about how GPS works and not disputed by anyone.

Hardly.

GPS uses a known distance from the satellite, the ionisphere would not allow this as it is a variable height.

This does not conflict with atmolayer location calculation. The more towers you are using concurrently, the more accurate a location prediction will be. If anything, this is a point for a flat Earth. When is the last time a GPS let you calculate position using only one satellite? I'll give you a heads-up... it won't.
We know GPS uses satellites and you need a minimum of 4 to calculate a pisition and altitude.

How many towers would an atmolayer system need to cover the entire earth? Would the atmolayer reflect 1.5GHz signals and how do you ensure a precise known transit time?  It would not work.

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Re: Satellites
« Reply #124 on: March 18, 2014, 06:51:33 AM »
How many towers are needed for my phone to tell me where I am?

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« Reply #125 on: March 18, 2014, 07:03:55 AM »
How many towers are needed for my phone to tell me where I am?
Do you not know?  Basic maths.

The location service you have does not work in every country.  Or in the centre of oceans as discussed before.

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Re: Satellites
« Reply #126 on: March 18, 2014, 07:05:48 AM »
I see.  You don't know.  Thanks for nothing. 

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« Reply #127 on: March 18, 2014, 07:08:19 AM »
I see.  You don't know.  Thanks for nothing.
3 for location. 4 for altitude.

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Re: Satellites
« Reply #128 on: March 18, 2014, 07:09:30 AM »
What?  Can you explain how this can only be done with satellites?

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Re: Satellites
« Reply #129 on: March 18, 2014, 07:35:41 AM »
I did not miss any context.
I didn't say you missed it, merely that you skipped it. I accused you of malice, not stupidity.

It would not work.
Substantiate this claim.

Do you not know?  Basic maths.
Show your working and elaborate on the answer (well, once you presented it).
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Re: Satellites
« Reply #130 on: March 18, 2014, 07:45:12 AM »
What?  Can you explain how this can only be done with satellites?
The US wanted an accurate worldwide navigation system, only way to do it.

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« Reply #131 on: March 18, 2014, 07:47:44 AM »
I did not miss any context.
I didn't say you missed it, merely that you skipped it. I accused you of malice, not stupidity.

It would not work.
Substantiate this claim.

Do you not know?  Basic maths.
Show your working and elaborate on the answer (well, once you presented it).
How about you come up with a proposal using the ionosphere and show how it would work. With enough design details for review.

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Re: Satellites
« Reply #132 on: March 18, 2014, 07:51:55 AM »
What?  Can you explain how this can only be done with satellites?
The US wanted an accurate worldwide navigation system, only way to do it.

I would love to have an accurate positioning system  as well.  I see that you are falling on your face now. 

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Re: Satellites
« Reply #133 on: March 18, 2014, 07:54:06 AM »
How about you come up with a proposal using the ionosphere and show how it would work. With enough design details for review.
Why are you so afraid of backing up your claims? C'mon, pick one and write about it in more than one sentence. You can do it, inquisitive. I believe in you. You can finally prove that you're not a complete waste of time to all of us!
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« Reply #134 on: March 18, 2014, 07:55:09 AM »
What?  Can you explain how this can only be done with satellites?
The US wanted an accurate worldwide navigation system, only way to do it.

I would love to have an accurate positioning system  as well.  I see that you are falling on your face now.
What do you mean?  GPS is used by millions of people and systems across the world.

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« Reply #135 on: March 18, 2014, 07:57:32 AM »
How about you come up with a proposal using the ionosphere and show how it would work. With enough design details for review.
Why are you so afraid of backing up your claims? C'mon, pick one and write about it in more than one sentence. You can do it, inquisitive. I believe in you. You can finally prove that you're not a complete waste of time to all of us!
I am not claiming that an ionosphere based system would work, it is for those that do to explain how with more than one picture.

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Re: Satellites
« Reply #136 on: March 18, 2014, 08:55:40 AM »
I am not claiming that an ionosphere based system would work
Irrelevant.
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« Reply #137 on: March 18, 2014, 11:13:53 AM »
I did not miss any context.
I didn't say you missed it, merely that you skipped it. I accused you of malice, not stupidity.


Funny that is what I was accusing you of!

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Re: Satellites
« Reply #138 on: March 18, 2014, 11:20:55 AM »
Funny that is what I was accusing you of!
Yes, good thing I called you out on it. Anyway, please stop derailing this thread. Feel free to continue trying to trip me up via PM if you so desire.
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« Reply #139 on: March 18, 2014, 12:09:37 PM »
Funny that is what I was accusing you of!
Yes, good thing I called you out on it. Anyway, please stop derailing this thread. Feel free to continue trying to trip me up via PM if you so desire.
Meanwhile, we know that satellites provide us with communications, and have done for many years.