Nietzsche
« on: September 29, 2018, 12:58:22 PM »
Has anyone here read Friedrich Nietzsche? I have a BA in Philosophy, and an MA in History, but I am only now reading Nietzsche. I am reading "Thus Spake Zarathustra", wherein he introduces his idea of the Übermensch, variously translated as "Over-man", "Beyond-man", "Superman", etc.

I am trying to understand Nietzsche's concept of the Übermensch. I personally get the impression that he is speaking almost of a new sub-species of man. Because he talks about the highest goal of a woman being to produce Supermen, ie, to give birth to them, it sounds like Nietzsche intends his Superman to be more man than men. Almost a Homo sapiens superioris v. the Homo sapiens sapiens.

So what do people think of the idea?  Although he coupled his idea of Übermensch with a rejection of Christianity, a view with which I do not agree (I am a Lutheran Christian), I find the basic idea of the Superman agreeable. Always striving for the best, perhaps even Positive Eugenics (wherein the young, beautiful, and healthy are encouraged to reproduce and have many children, and others, whilst not forbidden to do so, are discouraged from it), strikes me as wise. Those who meet high standards should be encouraged to reproduce, and should be incentivised by the State. The more children, the more help from the State. Those who do NOT meet the standards should not be forbidden to reproduce, but should by no means be incentivised.

Through Positive Eugenics, the human race could decrease the number of mental and physical detectives in the population, whilst caring for those that DO exist. In so doing, within a few generations, Superman would be a reality. Stronger, smarter, healthier, more beautiful people would exist.

Of course, things like smoking and other abusive practices would have to be forbidden to those advancing the race, and maybe to all people. The State would have to play a large role in any Positive Eugenics program. But the development of Übermensch could occur. Thoughts?

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Re: Nietzsche
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2018, 02:52:36 PM »
Has anyone here read Friedrich Nietzsche? I have a BA in Philosophy, and an MA in History, but I am only now reading Nietzsche.

>the absolute state of modern education

Exactly how did both your BA in Philosophy and MA in History avoid teaching you about one of the single most influential modern philosophers? His influence on German culture and the two world wars alone could fill several books, and yet he didn't even get an honorable mention once in two entire degrees? I think you should ask for your money back.
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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2018, 03:38:34 PM »
Has anyone here read Friedrich Nietzsche? I have a BA in Philosophy, and an MA in History, but I am only now reading Nietzsche.

>the absolute state of modern education

Exactly how did both your BA in Philosophy and MA in History avoid teaching you about one of the single most influential modern philosophers? His influence on German culture and the two world wars alone could fill several books, and yet he didn't even get an honorable mention once in two entire degrees? I think you should ask for your money back.
Easy. I did not study much in the way of Modern Philosophy. I pretty much specialised in the ancients and Scholastics. Of course I studied ABOUT Nietzsche in history, but I did not read him directly. I knew about his ideas. I just never read HIM.

And I did read some modern philosophy. But never him.

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« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2018, 02:07:30 AM »
Has anyone here read Friedrich Nietzsche? I have a BA in Philosophy, and an MA in History, but I am only now reading Nietzsche.

>the absolute state of modern education

This.

I've read a few of his books out of curiosity. Seems like a fedora tipping incel by todays standards.

"The antichrist" is cringe tier. No one told him he was gonna cut himself on the edge.

Read plato's republic, much better.

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« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2018, 02:11:14 AM »
Ubermensch is a german word which means over man, maybe translates better to above human. It was merely his germanic pride coming through.

I don't think eugenics is as bad as Gene and DNA experimentation. China is doing it (both) because they dont have enough "fellow chinese people" telling them they aren't allowed to.

Through Positive Eugenics, the human race could decrease the number of mental and physical detectives in the population, whilst caring for those that DO exist. In so doing, within a few generations, Superman would be a reality. Stronger, smarter, healthier, more beautiful people would exist.

You know I made this case on another site and was banned for it. I think you have a strong point.
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« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2018, 02:44:10 AM »
Ubermensch is a german word which means over man, maybe translates better to above human. It was merely his germanic pride coming through.
I would disagree with that. He actually was NOT anti-Semitic, for example, and on a few occasions indicated that he was descended fom Polish noblemen, and that the best things in Germany were in fact Polish. It was his sister, who was in charge of his estate after his death, who directed the interpretation of his ideas toward German nationalism.

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I don't think eugenics is as bad as Gene and DNA experimentation. China is doing it (both) because they dont have enough "fellow chinese people" telling them they aren't allowed to.

Through Positive Eugenics, the human race could decrease the number of mental and physical detectives in the population, whilst caring for those that DO exist. In so doing, within a few generations, Superman would be a reality. Stronger, smarter, healthier, more beautiful people would exist.

You know I made this case on another site and was banned for it. I think you have a strong point.
I cannot say that I disagree, although, in our modern-day left-wing environment, which encourages the development of all that is worst in humanity, it is unpopular to say so.

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« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2018, 04:22:39 AM »
Ubermensch is a german word which means over man, maybe translates better to above human. It was merely his germanic pride coming through.
I would disagree with that. He actually was NOT anti-Semitic.

Every day, the level of brainwashing I see surprises me. I hope one day I will no longer be surprised by it.

In our modern-day left-wing environment, which encourages the development of all that is worst in humanity, it is unpopular to say so.

Why would an ideology promote self destruction?

Think about it.
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« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2018, 08:47:53 AM »
Ubermensch is a german word which means over man, maybe translates better to above human. It was merely his germanic pride coming through.
I would disagree with that. He actually was NOT anti-Semitic.

Every day, the level of brainwashing I see surprises me. I hope one day I will no longer be surprised by it.

In our modern-day left-wing environment, which encourages the development of all that is worst in humanity, it is unpopular to say so.

Why would an ideology promote self destruction?

Think about it.
I don't have to think about it, really. The White race is the smallest of the races, which was NOT the case 100 years ago. And Jews own the money supply. The Federal Reserve is a private corporation owned by Jewish interests. They own the money in your pocket. They encourage the mixing of the White race with other races, but won't mix themselves. Nietzsche himself was not anti-Semitic, but perhaps he should have been, at least to the extent of saving the White race. Perhaps we ALL should be.

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« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2018, 04:59:31 AM »
I don't have to think about it, really. The White race is the smallest of the races, which was NOT the case 100 years ago. And Jews own the money supply. The Federal Reserve is a private corporation owned by Jewish interests. They own the money in your pocket. They encourage the mixing of the White race with other races, but won't mix themselves. Nietzsche himself was not anti-Semitic, but perhaps he should have been, at least to the extent of saving the White race. Perhaps we ALL should be.

My man.

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« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2018, 05:02:56 AM »
Here check this out. They don't like us much at all. Apparently Tucker Carlson gave it some air time, which is pretty cool.


I think that's inciting violence and calling for genocide is sort of beyond "free speech" but meh.

What can you do.

Imagine if a European said that about Jews? It would be a much different situation indeed.

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« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2018, 09:41:03 AM »
Here check this out. They don't like us much at all. Apparently Tucker Carlson gave it some air time, which is pretty cool.


I think that's inciting violence and calling for genocide is sort of beyond "free speech" but meh.

What can you do.

Imagine if a European said that about Jews? It would be a much different situation indeed.
Yes, I am inclined to agree. I am not quite sure how to deal with it. I actually somewhat respect Orthodox, Traditional Jews for being proud of who they are. It is the liberal Jew for whom I have no time or patience. I personally think the Orthodox Jew should be sent to Israel. He does NOT own the money in your pocket. And Israel should continue to receive US support. The kind of Jew like the above should be stepped on and crushed. And the White race should absolutely stop mixing with others. My wife is about 48% German, 48% Norwegian, and 4% French. She looks like a German Goddess, and that is exactly how it should be. Blonde, blue-eyed women with creamy white skin advancing the cause of our noble race.

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« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2018, 01:21:15 PM »
Ethnocentric relations can only serve corporatism by leaving gaps for them to fill in society by managing relations between ethnicities. Corporations are unabashedly global and have more agility in their dealings than countries and can always find a way to push their profit-driven agenda. This is a bigger enemy than muladoTM children.
You don't get races of anything ... accept people.

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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2018, 01:27:21 PM »
Ethnocentric relations can only serve corporatism by leaving gaps for them to fill in society by managing relations between ethnicities. Corporations are unabashedly global and have more agility in their dealings than countries and can always find a way to push their profit-driven agenda. This is a bigger enemy than muladoTM children.
With respect, I disagree. Destruction of our White race is our most dangerous threat.

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« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2018, 01:28:27 PM »
Ethnocentric relations can only serve corporatism by leaving gaps for them to fill in society by managing relations between ethnicities. Corporations are unabashedly global and have more agility in their dealings than countries and can always find a way to push their profit-driven agenda. This is a bigger enemy than muladoTM children.
With respect, I disagree. Destruction of our White race is our most dangerous threat.

What happens is your “white race”, whatever that is, gets mixed with “other races”?
You don't get races of anything ... accept people.

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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2018, 03:48:57 AM »
Ethnocentric relations can only serve corporatism by leaving gaps for them to fill in society by managing relations between ethnicities. Corporations are unabashedly global and have more agility in their dealings than countries and can always find a way to push their profit-driven agenda. This is a bigger enemy than muladoTM children.
With respect, I disagree. Destruction of our White race is our most dangerous threat.

What happens is your “white race”, whatever that is, gets mixed with “other races”?

It's not inherently evil to care about your people. As much as europeans are told that it is.

What is a foundation myth?
What purpose does it serve?
What is the western foundation myth?

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« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2018, 04:33:47 AM »
Ethnocentric relations can only serve corporatism by leaving gaps for them to fill in society by managing relations between ethnicities. Corporations are unabashedly global and have more agility in their dealings than countries and can always find a way to push their profit-driven agenda. This is a bigger enemy than muladoTM children.
With respect, I disagree. Destruction of our White race is our most dangerous threat.

What happens is your “white race”, whatever that is, gets mixed with “other races”?

It's not inherently evil to care about your people. As much as europeans are told that it is.

Never said it was.

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What is a foundation myth?
What purpose does it serve?
What is the western foundation myth?

There are multiple even among various Northern Europeans groups. 

Can you answer my actual question you quoted?  What negative effect will come to pass if races mix?
You don't get races of anything ... accept people.

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« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2018, 04:44:33 AM »
Can you answer my actual question you quoted?  What negative effect will come to pass if races mix?

I didn't think you asked a question,
Loss of identity.

If you consider the colonization of Australia genocide then, well, genocide.

The jewish people seek to preserve their race by making it illegal for a goyim to marry a jew. I don't support that at all.

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Re: Nietzsche
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2018, 06:02:20 AM »
Why is a "loss of identity" through races willingly mixing a bad thing? We don't need to preserve everything.
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« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2018, 08:36:48 AM »
Why is a "loss of identity" through races willingly mixing a bad thing? We don't need to preserve everything.

Aboriginal activists claim that the loss of their identity through colonization equates to genocide. They live in one of the most successful countries in the world with full citizenship but through race mixing and whitewashing such as the attempted assimilation of the stolen generation, most peope are comfortable calling it a genocide.

It's a difficult subject but europeans did effectively steal their culture and impose on them a new one.

This is currently happening in Germany.

Another ill effect, or positive effect is a change in a populations IQ, Germany for examples average IQ has dropped by four points in the last years.

Is this because Germans are giving birth to children with lower IQs than their parents? Or are they importing a lower IQ population?

https://www.iqtestforfree.net/average-IQ-by-country.html
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Country/Region    IQ (2003)    IQ (2010)
Germany            102                    98

Compared to a homogeneous population of east asians.

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Hong Kong    107     109
Japan            105      106
This is what we should expect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect

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« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2018, 10:09:52 AM »
Why is a "loss of identity" through races willingly mixing a bad thing? We don't need to preserve everything.
Race mixing and miscegenation are bad because they result in genocide for the White race. A Negro marries White. They have a baby. That baby almost always looks and acts more Negro than White. Count one for the Negro, 0 for the White race.

Notice that on a list of national IQs, the nations WITH THE LOWEST IQS are all in Black Africa and Haiti. The highest are East Asian countries (racially homogenous, I might add), and Scandinavia, also racially homogenous, except for pockets of "bad blood" where African and Middle Eastern immigrants live that bring the overall national IQ down a few points.

These are cold, hard, brutal facts. I do not want to be considered uncharitable or unfriendly for bringing up the truth, but let us be honest with ourselves. Race mixing and miscegenation are an evil that must be eradicated, for the preservation of the White race.