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Re: Political Musings
« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2018, 03:56:59 PM »
In your red-square wonderland, the government has already taken your $600 in taxes because "from each according to his ability, comrade." You had the ability to pay $600 and decided not to do that. Pretty key difference between free market corporatism and governments here.

lolol yep this is exactly how that works; local communist government calculates how much it takes to buy one of everything, then sends you a bill for that amount.

Actually it's the opposite problem, the local communist government doesn't really know how an economy works, so they take nearly all of your money and piss it all away or line their own pockets. This is why the middle class didn't actually exist in communist and socialist nations. You had the very, very rich (the government elites) and the extremely poor people who get taxed 90% of their income because they're a good comrade. In that red square, you don't get to have the choice on whether or not to get your phone fixed for $600, because you don't have $600, and you certainly don't have an $800 phone.

The classic example of Gorbachev visiting an American supermarket comes to mind.
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« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2018, 04:55:00 PM »
I'm guessing you mean Yeltsin?
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« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2018, 05:02:22 PM »
I'm guessing you mean Yeltsin?

Woops, yes. For some reason I keep thinking it was Gorbachev himself.

Re: Political Musings
« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2018, 09:15:31 AM »
In your red-square wonderland, the government has already taken your $600 in taxes because "from each according to his ability, comrade." You had the ability to pay $600 and decided not to do that. Pretty key difference between free market corporatism and governments here.

lolol yep this is exactly how that works; local communist government calculates how much it takes to buy one of everything, then sends you a bill for that amount.

Actually it's the opposite problem, the local communist government doesn't really know how an economy works, so they take nearly all of your money and piss it all away or line their own pockets. This is why the middle class didn't actually exist in communist and socialist nations. You had the very, very rich (the government elites) and the extremely poor people who get taxed 90% of their income because they're a good comrade. In that red square, you don't get to have the choice on whether or not to get your phone fixed for $600, because you don't have $600, and you certainly don't have an $800 phone.

The classic example of Gorbachev visiting an American supermarket comes to mind.

I'm not a commie. I don't believe in class distinctions.

Re: Political Musings
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2018, 10:23:16 AM »
Were being ruled over by malicious tyrants currently.

I'll give a good example using Ron Paul and ending the Fed in a few hours when I have time but for now.

I broke my phone screen, the screen costs $10, the guy replacing it will take an hour and is paid approximately $25 an hour.

I was quoted $600 for the phone repair. This is where free market capitalism and libertarianism often leads. With people ripping each other off trying to get ahead.

I don't believe in it.

And like in any free market, you're free to visit their competitors or you're free to buy the necessary materials to do it yourself. In your red-square wonderland, the government has already taken your $600 in taxes because "from each according to his ability, comrade." You had the ability to pay $600 and decided not to do that. Pretty key difference between free market corporatism and governments here. You never get to decide whether or not you want to contribute to an authoritarian government, regardless of how idealistically benevolent you might perceive it as.

Edit: I've split all of this outside of the Political Compass thread.


Ok so first and foremost, before we accuse anyone of not underatanding economics, America is 20 trillion dollars in debt and therefore is owned by international banks and bankers.

The same way that a house with 500k owing on it is owned by the local bank. You've literally sold the sovereignty of your nation for short term economic gain.

We can point our fingers at the Federal Reserve, Fractional Reserve Banking and the International Monetary Fund.

Removing these corrupt institutions would be an act of Authoritarianism, purely. In your """free market""" situation our government isn't powerful enough to protect its people from being owned, via debt, by these international hyenas.

Nearly all of the old Presidents warned us about exactly what has happened to America, it couldn't be farther removed from what the founding fathers want.

I've had a few drinks but am happy to continue this conversation. I actually really enjoy this, justifying my beliefs.

Re: Political Musings
« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2018, 10:27:25 AM »
Fyi I do pay around $600 a week in tax. I wouldn't even mind if they spent it on things that would improve our quality of life.

They seem to spend all our tax dollars on bombs that they promptly drop on the middle east which is and has never been a threat to the west.

Just a threat to a much smaller single nation south of Lebanon, go figure.
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Re: Political Musings
« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2018, 11:44:33 AM »
Seems about right.



I am more authoritarian than libertarian, libertarianism is a meme that relies on everyone holding hands and getting along.

I'm also in favour of government regulations on the free market so I think it placed me fairly.

Red is objectively the worst quadrant.

Yeah well we've seen what happens in an unrestricted free market ...
When?

You (and to be fair, nearly every other persona here...bot or no bot) hashing forms of government is a prime example of an ouroboros.

So philosophically and intellectually dishonest.
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Re: Political Musings
« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2018, 04:19:10 AM »
They seem to spend all our tax dollars on bombs that they promptly drop on the middle east which is and has never been a threat to the west.



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« Reply #29 on: September 26, 2018, 08:04:25 PM »
I stopped going to the gym because of Trump. Now I can't open jars

Re: Political Musings
« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2018, 11:39:23 PM »
Obviously it was an exaggeration that all my tax money goes to war. Just much more than I'm comfortable with.

If "all" our tax money went to war there would be no roads, think about it.

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« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2018, 03:31:08 AM »
Obviously it was an exaggeration that all my tax money goes to war.

I think you just didn't realize how little is actually spent on the military because you love the taste of that left-wing koolaid way too much.
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« Reply #32 on: September 27, 2018, 04:02:34 AM »
Obviously it was an exaggeration that all my tax money goes to war.

I think you just didn't realize how little is actually spent on the military because you love the taste of that left-wing koolaid way too much.

Again, whats a few trillion between friends?

Also this.


Half ironic but I'm not "left" wing, or "right" wing.

I actually support military spending and a strong military. I wish Australia had a stronger military  i don't like these international wars for bankers and oil. I don't like our soilders dying for no reason or benefit to their loved ones.
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Re: Political Musings
« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2018, 05:33:04 AM »
Here's a real one.

Radical centrist. I don't easily fit into boxes.



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