Water on Mars
« on: July 25, 2018, 07:35:15 PM »
The NASA fools are at it again.  time for our every 3 month "great discovery" to be released.  this time its the claim that Mars has a lake a mile under its surface.  what a joke, they could at least try and mix it up.  the constant PR drip, drip, drip timing by them is getting to be a bit obvious.  after every release they get publicity and keep enough interest going to maintain bringing in the $$$$....then the attention goes away for a while and oh look!  another discovery!  cant wait for the next great "discovery"
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Re: Water on Mars
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2018, 08:35:22 PM »
They need to drum up support for another "mars" mission.
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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2018, 08:46:40 PM »
They need to drum up support for another "mars" mission.

yep, and they are making it a bit too obvious at this point.  gotta keep feeding that machine ($$$)

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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2018, 10:27:30 PM »
Elon Musk will be all over it.

He's still trying to wash the stench off his last publicity stunt gone wrong. Turning up to a genuine emergency with some useless submarine that doesn't work, and then calling a hero that rescued the kids a paedophile when he called Musk out on his obvious attention seeking.

So he'll be telling everyone that Space X will be flying men to Mars, knowing NASA won't call him out on this equally obvious rouse. My guessing is that the astronauts picked will be the first 'openly gay' man in space, an African American and a disabled woman for maximum media coverage and general worship from the mainstream media. Musk will be described as brave and courageous for standing up to bigotry and given lots more 'investment' from the Federal Reserve as it counterfeits money and shovels it into Tesla stock. Meanwhile the 3 actors hired will do a bit of green screen work and then go on endless morning chat shows to talk about the prejudices they have overcome and how people need to follow their dreams to be just like them. You heard it here first, folks.
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Re: Water on Mars
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2018, 12:35:59 PM »
Elon Musk will be all over it.

He's still trying to wash the stench off his last publicity stunt gone wrong. Turning up to a genuine emergency with some useless submarine that doesn't work, and then calling a hero that rescued the kids a paedophile when he called Musk out on his obvious attention seeking.

So he'll be telling everyone that Space X will be flying men to Mars, knowing NASA won't call him out on this equally obvious rouse. My guessing is that the astronauts picked will be the first 'openly gay' man in space, an African American and a disabled woman for maximum media coverage and general worship from the mainstream media. Musk will be described as brave and courageous for standing up to bigotry and given lots more 'investment' from the Federal Reserve as it counterfeits money and shovels it into Tesla stock. Meanwhile the 3 actors hired will do a bit of green screen work and then go on endless morning chat shows to talk about the prejudices they have overcome and how people need to follow their dreams to be just like them. You heard it here first, folks.

all correct, but i wont give you too much credit...what you described basically follows the script thus far.  almost like it written by a hollywood movie...hmmm  :)
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Re: Water on Mars
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2018, 01:49:30 PM »
The real question is, why?

Why are elites constantly sending rovers, probes, and now looking into sending people to Mars? What are they looking for, have they found it yet? When they do find it, what are they going to do with it?

Perhaps they're searching for whatever superweapon destroyed Mars and they wish to bring it here as an insurance policy. Just in case their peasant underlings ever accidentally think for themselves and try to overturn the status quo.

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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2018, 01:53:02 PM »
Why climb Everest?
Why go to Antarctica?

Humans have an innate desire to explore and learn. Space exploration, which we're just taking baby steps in, is an extension of that.
If you are making your claim without evidence then we can discard it without evidence.

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Re: Water on Mars
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2018, 02:34:43 PM »
The NASA fools are at it again.  time for our every 3 month "great discovery" to be released.  this time its the claim that Mars has a lake a mile under its surface. 
First of all, it wasn't NASA that made the announcement.  It was a group of Italian scientists from Roma Tre University.  Secondly, they said they found evidence of a possible lake.  They did not make a definitive claim that the lake existed.  Thirdly, the lake (if it really does exist) was found a mile under the polar ice cap.  Similar lakes have been found deep under the antarctic ice, so there is precedent for such discoveries on earth.

They need to drum up support for another "mars" mission.
Since it takes so long to prepare such missions, they'll most likely use satellites already in orbit to further investigate.
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Re: Water on Mars
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2018, 02:43:59 PM »
Why climb Everest?
Why go to Antarctica?

Humans have an innate desire to explore and learn. Space exploration, which we're just taking baby steps in, is an extension of that.

I see no reason to indulge people on their vices simply because they're an innate desire. If a baby has an innate desire to drink bleach, I'm going to refuse it the opportunity to do so, because it is ignorant of the consequences. Likewise, if people want to go to Mars "just because" then they should rightfully be refused the opportunity to do so, because it represents no utilitarian purpose beyond wasting our ever dwindling supply of natural resources on fruitless quests of pride and material fulfillment.

Perhaps these organizations should be more interested in correcting the current course of our own world instead of fixating on other lifeless rocks just to satiate their curiosity.
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Re: Water on Mars
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2018, 02:48:29 PM »
Why climb Everest?
Why go to Antarctica?

Humans have an innate desire to explore and learn. Space exploration, which we're just taking baby steps in, is an extension of that.

I see no reason to indulge people on their vices simply because they're an innate desire.
Since when is the desire to explore and learn considered a vice?
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« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2018, 02:57:04 PM »
Perhaps these organizations should be more interested in correcting the current course of our own world instead of fixating on other lifeless rocks just to satiate their curiosity.
There is something to be said for that for sure.

However, if humans did not try to satiate their curiosity we'd still be in the stone age.  So there is something to be said for that too. 
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Re: Water on Mars
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2018, 04:33:22 PM »
Since when is the desire to explore and learn considered a vice?

When you're wasting resources to "explore" a place that you already know is a barren wasteland, then it is in fact a vice, especially when your exploration efforts cost billions of dollars in an era where we are already hopelessly in debt.

There is something to be said for that for sure.

However, if humans did not try to satiate their curiosity we'd still be in the stone age.  So there is something to be said for that too. 

Our technological development has been a case of necessity, not curiosity. Sure, you can claim that "by making it necessary to go to Mars, we can spur technological development" but then we need to remember that all of those things would be built right here on Earth, making going to Mars moot.


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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2018, 05:33:44 PM »
Our technological development has been a case of necessity, not curiosity. Sure, you can claim that "by making it necessary to go to Mars, we can spur technological development" but then we need to remember that all of those things would be built right here on Earth, making going to Mars moot.
Necessity is the mother of invention.  It will be the inventors living on Mars (or the Moon) who learn to develop closed system habitats that fully recycle human waste for reuse.  We can't  develop that on Earth.  There is no need.  It is way too easy to just throw our waste away so we always will.  But once the Mars community develops it there, it will be very helpful in abolishing poverty here on Earth.
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Re: Water on Mars
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2018, 06:19:01 PM »
Since when is the desire to explore and learn considered a vice?

When you're wasting resources to "explore" a place that you already know is a barren wasteland, then it is in fact a vice, especially when your exploration efforts cost billions of dollars in an era where we are already hopelessly in debt.
It seems to me that they're discovering that Mars might not be as barren a wasteland as they once thought.  Besides, doesn't it seem prudent to thoroughly explore a planet that you hope to colonize some day?  Or do you think that humans should stay a one planet species?
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« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2018, 06:49:53 PM »
It's just hard for some people to see anything even slightly abstract. Some people just don't understand the value of pure research. They don't see how science leads to unexpected discoveries or how those in turn lead to unexpected technologies and how those lead to improvements in the human condition. Some people are bitter and cynical. Combine bitterness with ignorance, and you'll end up with people who lash out at imaginary enemies.

Our only hope is to try to reach the next generation and inspire them to strive for better. I remain hopeful that we can improve our education system and have fewer young people slip through into bitterness and ignorance.

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« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2018, 02:23:57 AM »
It seems to me that they're discovering that Mars might not be as barren a wasteland as they once thought.  Besides, doesn't it seem prudent to thoroughly explore a planet that you hope to colonize some day?  Or do you think that humans should stay a one planet species?

I think humans better learn how to not screw up one world instead of reaching out to screw up two as if we're going for some kind of galactic record.

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« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2018, 02:43:41 AM »
It seems to me that they're discovering that Mars might not be as barren a wasteland as they once thought.  Besides, doesn't it seem prudent to thoroughly explore a planet that you hope to colonize some day?  Or do you think that humans should stay a one planet species?

I think humans better learn how to not screw up one world instead of reaching out to screw up two as if we're going for some kind of galactic record.
Maybe you should ask the dinosaurs if they think that humans are the only threat to life on earth.
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« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2018, 02:57:37 AM »
Maybe you should ask the dinosaurs if they think that humans are the only threat to life on earth.

Maybe the lizard people should have calculated the risk on their asteroid capture mission more accurately.

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Re: Water on Mars
« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2018, 09:17:06 AM »
Since when is the desire to explore and learn considered a vice?

When you're wasting resources to "explore" a place that you already know is a barren wasteland, then it is in fact a vice, especially when your exploration efforts cost billions of dollars in an era where we are already hopelessly in debt.
It seems to me that they're discovering that Mars might not be as barren a wasteland as they once thought.  Besides, doesn't it seem prudent to thoroughly explore a planet that you hope to colonize some day?  Or do you think that humans should stay a one planet species?

Don't use weasel words like 'human'.

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« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2018, 09:36:19 AM »
Do I think Earthlings should live on earth? Well now the clue is in the name.

.. but Earthlings can become Marslings, simply by 'moving house'.